The January 6th Commission To Investigate The Insurrection

[BillStime]

48 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Nothing about January 6th is 'amusing'

 

However your ignorance about it and your willingness to proclaim it ..........is very amusing.

 

Please continue.

Can you please provide the justification for the actions that took place on January 6?

 

Dispel my ignorance 

[Tiberius]

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A recent study from the Chicago Project on Security and Threats provides insight into the profiles of the insurrectionists who attacked the Capitol on Jan. 6. As the project’s director, Robert A. Pape, detailed in an op-ed for The Post:

When compared with almost 2,900 other counties in the United States, our analysis of the 250 counties where those charged or arrested live reveals that the counties that had the greatest decline in White population had an 18 percent chance of sending an insurrectionist to D.C., while the counties that saw the least decline in the White population had only a 3 percent chance. . . .

Put another way, the people alleged by authorities to have taken the law into their hands on Jan. 6 typically hail from places where non-White populations are growing fastest.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/04/08/so-much-gop-racism-hiding-plain-sight/

[Doc]

What's the "Chicago Project" verdict on the rampant black-on-black murders in their own city?  

[LeviF]

Submitted without comment:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-defendant-ryan-sammsel-viciously-beaten-guard-washington-dc-jail-lawyer-says/

 

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This week, another Capitol riot defendant, Ronald Sandlin, told a federal judge during a bail hearing that Samsel was one of a number of defendants in the case who'd been subjected to violence by D.C. correctional officers.

 

In an interview with WUSA, (attorney) Elisabeth Pasqualini said Samsel was "viciously and savagely" beaten by a corrections officer in the D.C. Correctional Treatment Facility after the guard zip-tied Samsel's hands.

 

She said she was only alerted to the alleged attack when two attorneys representing other defendants contacted her and said her client had gotten "a beatdown" by a guard and was in the hospital.

 

"He has definitely suffered serious injuries, including a shattered orbital floor, a broken orbital bone, his jaw was broken, his nose was broken," Pasqualini said, adding that Samsel is currently unable to see out of his right eye and may permanently lose vision in it.

 

I heard through another source that this beating took place because Samsel asked for toilet paper.

Edited April 9, 2021 by LeviF91

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

What's the "Chicago Project" verdict on the rampant black-on-black murders in their own city?  

Can’t do it, the solutions to the problems of historic racism and  poverty would be unacceptable to Republicans who think the causes of said violence are very acceptable 

2 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

Submitted without comment:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-defendant-ryan-sammsel-viciously-beaten-guard-washington-dc-jail-lawyer-says/

 

 

I heard through another source that this beating took place because Samsel asked for toilet paper.

Really, didn’t the Bush Administration ok torture against terrorists? 

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, Tiberius said:

 

Really, didn’t the Bush Administration ok torture against terrorists? 

 

Setting aside what you define as terrorism for a moment, I somehow doubt the DC CO's making $16/hr are obtaining valuable information in the interest of national security, which was the excuse for torturing detainees in the "War on Terror."

[Doc]

58 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Really, didn’t the Bush Administration ok torture against terrorists? 

 

You mean waterboarding?  I'd take that over getting beaten.  And that's far more humane than the torture you'd have to endure in other countries.

[Tiberius]

29 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

You mean waterboarding?  I'd take that over getting beaten.  And that's far more humane than the torture you'd have to endure in other countries.

So you are ok with waterboarding domestic terrorists?

1 hour ago, LeviF91 said:

 

Setting aside what you define as terrorism for a moment, I somehow doubt the DC CO's making $16/hr are obtaining valuable information in the interest of national security, which was the excuse for torturing detainees in the "War on Terror."

So? 

[frostbitmic]

4 hours ago, LeviF91 said:

Submitted without comment:

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/capitol-riot-defendant-ryan-sammsel-viciously-beaten-guard-washington-dc-jail-lawyer-says/

 

 

I heard through another source that this beating took place because Samsel asked for toilet paper.

The beating took place because Mr. Sammsel knocked a female Capitol Officer to the ground causing her to receive a concussion.

 

He'll probably get a year or two knocked off his sentence for his injuries.

[LeviF]

Just now, frostbitmic said:

The beating took place because Mr. Sammsel knocked a female Capitol Officer to the ground causing her to receive a concussion.

 

He'll probably get a year or two knocked off his sentence for his injuries.

 

How'd he get that close to a Capitol Police officer while in the DC jail?

[frostbitmic]

12 minutes ago, LeviF91 said:

 

How'd he get that close to a Capitol Police officer while in the DC jail?

It was just a little retribution for his actions during the minor skirmish that took place on 1/6/21. It's generally a bad idea to assault police officers, especially female ones.

 

This poor soul might as well get used to his living arrangements for the foreseeable future. Samsel is on parole in Pennsylvania from a 2016 assault charge. He also has a warrant in New Jersey for a 2019 assault as well.

[LeviF]

2 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

It was just a little retribution for his actions during the minor skirmish that took place on 1/6/21. It's generally a bad idea to assault police officers, especially female ones.

 

This poor soul might as well get used to his living arrangements for the foreseeable future. Samsel is on parole in Pennsylvania from a 2016 assault charge. He also has a warrant in New Jersey for a 2019 assault as well.

 

Again, the GED holders of the DC Dept of Corrections are about the same distance from Capitol Police, pedigree-wise, as your average felon.

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, LeviF91 said:

 

How'd he get that close to a Capitol Police officer while in the DC jail?

This clown claiming he was beat also said the election was stolen, do you also believe that? 

 

Obviously, this person understands how to lie 

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

 

The argument then, and the argument now, is that the threat was being deliberately inflated and exaggerated, and fears stoked and exploited, both for political gain and to justify the placement of more and more powers in the hands of the state in the name of stopping these threats.

 

That is the core formula of authoritarianism — to place the population in a state of such acute fear that it acquiesces to any assertion of power which security state agencies and politicians demand and which they insist are necessary to keep everyone safe.

 

 

[Doc]

8 hours ago, Tiberius said:

So you are ok with waterboarding domestic terrorists?

 

Sure.

[BillStime]

LOCK HIM UP

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Former president Donald Trump called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a B word” as he used a Saturday night speech to Republicans to blame him for not helping overturn the 2020 election and reiterated false assertions that he won the November contest.

Trump, speaking to a Republican National Committee gathering at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., excoriated a number of Republicans even as he publicly called for party unity — focusing on those who voted to convict him in impeachment proceedings. But he saved his sharpest vitriol for the Kentucky Republican.

“If that were Schumer instead of this dumb son of a B word Mitch McConnell they would never allow it to happen. They would have fought it,” he said of election certifying on Jan. 6, the day his supporters led an insurrection on the Capitol to block Joe Biden’s formal victor

 

Trump spent much of the speech, with many senators in the room, lashing into his former ally in personal terms, often to cheers from the party’s top donors. He falsely claimed that he won the Senate election for McConnell in Kentucky and attacked his wife, Elaine Chao, who served as Trump’s transportation secretary.

“I hired his wife. Did he ever say thank you?” Trump said. He then mocked Chao for resigning in response to the Jan. 6 events and Trump’s behavior that day.

“She suffered so greatly,” he said, his voice dripping with sarcasm. He later called McConnell a “stone cold loser.” A spokesman for McConnell could not immediately be reached.

The speech was light on his actual presidency, which some aides had wanted him to address, and delivered more of a familiar litany of grievances that seemed to animate the crowd. Many of his claims were false or misleading.

e did not directly address his 2024 plans — other than to express confidence about the Republican nominee winning — an attendee said, preferring instead to look back at the last election.

He reiterated many of his false claims soon after beginning his remarks and dove into particular states in detail, such as Georgia and Pennsylvania, continuing to claim he won them and attacking politicians such as Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R). He spoke for about an hour, according to an attendee, and bragged that he had tossed his prepared and “boring” speech, the attendee said. “bull####,” he said about the election, before polling the room of Republican donors on whether they believed he won.

He falsely said that most Democrats also believe he won but just won’t say so out loud, an attendee said.

Trump said the crowd at his rally preceding the Capitol attack was so large — falsely claiming that “some people say it was over a million people” — because supporters were upset about fraud and said he was “disappointed” in Vice President Mike Pence for certifying the election later that day. He expressed no regret about his actions on that day, nor about those of the Capitol rioters.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mcconnell-election/2021/04/11/297a82da-9879-11eb-962b-78c1d8228819_story.html

On 4/9/2021 at 6:50 PM, B-Man said:

 

The argument then, and the argument now, is that the threat was being deliberately inflated and exaggerated, and fears stoked and exploited, both for political gain and to justify the placement of more and more powers in the hands of the state in the name of stopping these threats.

 

That is the core formula of authoritarianism — to place the population in a state of such acute fear that it acquiesces to any assertion of power which security state agencies and politicians demand and which they insist are necessary to keep everyone safe.

 

 

Did Trump lose the election? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 4/9/2021 at 6:50 PM, B-Man said:

 

The argument then, and the argument now, is that the threat was being deliberately inflated and exaggerated, and fears stoked and exploited, both for political gain and to justify the placement of more and more powers in the hands of the state in the name of stopping these threats.

 

That is the core formula of authoritarianism — to place the population in a state of such acute fear that it acquiesces to any assertion of power which security state agencies and politicians demand and which they insist are necessary to keep everyone safe.

 

 

It’s shameful. These national guardsmen are a prop in a practically empty city most days lately. Mainstream media MUST mention ‘deadly’ every time they speak of it, and when those two capital police were mowed down by that Muslim brotherhood man, they re-devoted a third or more of each story to ‘the deadly capital insurrection’

 

The sixth was an international embarrassment, not a political show for democrats to continually plug. The fact the Don could con so many people into believing him just shows the discord and how deeply distrustful people are of basic government institutions. 

[Boatdrinks]

Well, there was no “ insurrection “ by definition, so there’s that. The event was far less destructive than the liberal mass riots of last summer. Interestingly ,the only person killed was an unarmed protester that was shot by Capitol Police. Haven’t seen many folks wearing her name on a T-shirt, and I don’t believe her funeral was televised. Several remain jailed for the abhorrent crime of “trespassing” ( that’s probably more than from the aforementioned riots) ;they didn’t kill anyone or burn any businesses to the ground. However, I don’t recall any Dems starting a bail fund for them or defending their right to protest. Shocking. 

[BillStime]

On 4/9/2021 at 6:50 PM, B-Man said:

 

The argument then, and the argument now, is that the threat was being deliberately inflated and exaggerated, and fears stoked and exploited, both for political gain and to justify the placement of more and more powers in the hands of the state in the name of stopping these threats.

 

That is the core formula of authoritarianism — to place the population in a state of such acute fear that it acquiesces to any assertion of power which security state agencies and politicians demand and which they insist are necessary to keep everyone safe.

 

 

Hey Bonnie - I know you’re obsessed with rewriting history - as if tho none of it was captured on tv all day on 1/6 - don’t you kinda agree with Liz?

 

 

 

[B-Man]

Does Steve Cohen Want to Start a War Over the Capitol Riot? 

 

“He compared a few people trespassing into the Capitol and stealing Nancy Pelosi’s rostrum to the 353 Japanese aircraft that damaged 8 U.S. battleships and sunk 4, killing 2,300 Americans and wounding 1,140.

 

To call Cohen’s comparison insane would be an insult to the mentally ill.”

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/04/12/does-steve-cohen-want-to-start-a-war-over-the-capitol-riot-n1439211

[BillStime]

9 minutes ago, B-Man said:

Does Steve Cohen Want to Start a War Over the Capitol Riot? 

 

“He compared a few people trespassing into the Capitol and stealing Nancy Pelosi’s rostrum to the 353 Japanese aircraft that damaged 8 U.S. battleships and sunk 4, killing 2,300 Americans and wounding 1,140.

 

To call Cohen’s comparison insane would be an insult to the mentally ill.”

 

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tyler-o-neil/2021/04/12/does-steve-cohen-want-to-start-a-war-over-the-capitol-riot-n1439211

No different than you desperately trying to rewrite history. Like 9/11 - we will never forget. 

 

If a foreign country did what your friends did to our Capitol - how would you define it?

[JaCrispy]

On 4/10/2021 at 9:52 PM, BillStime said:

LOCK HIM UP

 

 

 

Lol...every politician could, theoretically, be charged with treason...

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

 

If a foreign country did what your friends did to our Capitol - how would you define it? 

 

The War of 1812.  

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, BillStime said:

No different than you desperately trying to rewrite history. Like 9/11 - we will never forget. 

 

If a foreign country did what your friends did to our Capitol - how would you define it?

And if a foreign country did what happened all around the country in the summer of 2020, I’m sure you wouldn’t be calling it a “peaceful protest”...And I’m not saying what was done on January 6 was right- because it wasn’t...but those summer riots (which lasted MONTHS, not one day) were 10 times worse in my book...let’s try to have a little perspective, shall we?

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

The War of 1812.  

But they didn’t have selfies back then 😉 j/k

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

The War of 1812.  

the real question is if democrats did that to the capital what would it have been called? 

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

the real question is if democrats did that to the capital what would it have been called? 

 

Well set me up with a softball.

 

Of course it would be called "MOSTLY peaceful"

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Well set me up with a softball.

 

Of course it would be called "MOSTLY peaceful"

Correct.  We also would have accepted the ‘occupy capital movement’

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

And if a foreign country did what happened all around the country in the summer of 2020, I’m sure you wouldn’t be calling it a “peaceful protest”...And I’m not saying what was done on January 6 was right- because it wasn’t...but those summer riots (which lasted MONTHS, not one day) were 10 times worse in my book...let’s try to have a little perspective, shall we?

But they didn’t have selfies back then 😉 j/k

Did the protests last year interfere with a peaceful transition of power? Did the Leader of the Democratic Party invite these protesters? 

[JaCrispy]

25 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Did the protests last year interfere with a peaceful transition of power? Did the Leader of the Democratic Party invite these protesters? 

No and yes ...and the riots were certainly used to influence the election, as there were threats that they would continue if Trump was re-elected...

Edited April 12, 2021 by JaCrispy

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

the real question is if democrats did that to the capital what would it have been called? 

You don't have to wonder? When they took over the Wisconsin Capitol for days on end it was called yet another peaceful protest.

[BillStime]

I figured anything Josh Hawley related made sense in the insurrection thread...

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Sounds familiar...........

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

 

[B-Man]

 

 

Capitol Police Told to Hold Back on Riot Response on Jan. 6, Report Finds

New York Times, by Luke Broadwater

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/capitol-police-riot-report.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210413&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=108256783&segment_id=55522&user_id=68ed15cee0a36f3326a30763880aebdb

 

The Capitol Police had clearer advance warnings about the Jan. 6 attack than were previously known, including the potential for violence in which “Congress itself is the target.” But officers were instructed by their leaders not to use their most aggressive tactics to hold off the mob, according to a scathing new report by the agency’s internal investigator. In a 104-page document, the inspector general, Michael A. Bolton, criticized the way the Capitol Police prepared for and responded to the mob violence on Jan. 6.

 

 

 

 

 

 

IG’s report will be the subject of a hearing tomorrow. President Trump offered something like 10,000 National Guards troops and that was rejected. NYT does not mention that offer/rejection.

[BillStime]

7 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

Capitol Police Told to Hold Back on Riot Response on Jan. 6, Report Finds

New York Times, by Luke Broadwater

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/13/us/politics/capitol-police-riot-report.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20210413&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=108256783&segment_id=55522&user_id=68ed15cee0a36f3326a30763880aebdb

 

The Capitol Police had clearer advance warnings about the Jan. 6 attack than were previously known, including the potential for violence in which “Congress itself is the target.” But officers were instructed by their leaders not to use their most aggressive tactics to hold off the mob, according to a scathing new report by the agency’s internal investigator. In a 104-page document, the inspector general, Michael A. Bolton, criticized the way the Capitol Police prepared for and responded to the mob violence on Jan. 6.

 

 

 

 

 

 

IG’s report will be the subject of a hearing tomorrow. President Trump offered something like 10,000 National Guards troops and that was rejected. NYT does not mention that offer/rejection.

 

We all know who the orders came from and who passed them on @B-Man

 

Good thing we were able to clear peaceful crowds forcefully for a bible photo op, right @B-Man?

 

 

[B-Man]

 

DOJ: No charges against unnamed officer who shot Ashli Babbitt inside U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6

 

 

 

 The investigation revealed no evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242.  Specifically, the investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber.  Acknowledging the tragic loss of life and offering condolences to Ms. Babbitt’s family, the U.S. Attorney’s Office and U.S. Department of Justice have therefore closed the investigation into this matter.

 

Still unidentified also

 

 

I guess that we  can let the female officer in Minnesota go..............right ?

[wnyguy]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

DOJ: No charges against unnamed officer who shot Ashli Babbitt inside U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6

 

 

 

 

 

I guess that we  can let the female officer in Minnesota go..............right ?

Well we could if Ashli Babbit had the right skin complexion.

[B-Man]

Now, I have a some questions here.

Generally, in such cases of a police shooting, there’s a public inquest, with readily available information. But not in this case.

 

Here, we’re told she died from being shot in the shoulder. I’d like to know more about how that resulted in her death since being shot in the shoulder doesn’t normally result in death. Did she bleed to death? We don’t know.

 

Why did the officer believe he had to use deadly force against Babbitt when the police outside of the doors next to Babbitt did not?

 

We have a determination here that there was insufficient evidence to support a prosecution.

 

Why has none of the information regarding the matter actually been released to the public?

 

 

Even more than that, why has the officer’s name never been announced? This is unheard of in such a case, not to mention the general overall lack of transparency in the matter.

 

Apparently, the answer is that Capitol Police are a law unto themselves and the media doesn’t care enough to provide that information to you or try to get it.

 

One might try to make an argument that it could endanger the officer. But frankly, you can make that argument in any case and the public still does have a right to know. Especially in this kind of a case with such high visibility.

 

 

What their statement means is even if the officer acted out of fear, mistake, or misperception, if the DOJ doesn’t think he had a “bad purpose to disregard the law,” they’re not going to go ahead and charge him.

 

 

 

 

Translation: no charges and we’re never officially ever going to hear his name.