RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Is that to say that the hatred they have for the FO now extends to Watson because he no longer wants to deal with it? Are those the sentiments being expressed by Texans' fans? I dont think the fan base hates Watson or blames him AT ALL. I dont know what triggered Watson, FINALLY. After the trading of Hopkins the rest was almost inevitable. Watson should have asked for a trade the next day and/or McNair should have fired O Brien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Why take a QB? If you are getting #2 or #3 you don't need to. Pick your own rather than taking a reclamation project that is gonna be almost impossible to sell to your already furious fanbase. For me 3 #1 picks plus either two #3s or a #2 and a #4 is about where I'd pitch the price. Should say if I am trading with the 9ers or Panthers I do want their QB as part of the deal because I am probably out of position to draft one. From a pure PR standpoint taking back TUA or Darnold seems to be a disaster. I think the most logical trade partner is Cleveland. Mayfield is a legit QB. Him plus a Couple of draft picks gives the Texans real credibility. And Cleveland boosts its chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, Doc said: Fans are usually fans of the team, not player. Once a player is gone, especially if he demands to leave, they turn on him instantly. Maybe, but I remember most of us staying pissed at the Bills over things like the Jason Peters fiasco. Pat Williams comes to mind too. Especially when the team is losing year after year, and it is clear the problem is in ownership/management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Watson is the Franchise, the future. If the team actually gets it together and starts to rise, the fans will forgive if not forget. Winning changes everything. If the team trades Watson, their chance to get it together and rise drop enormously. If they trade Watson, get a Top 3 pick in return (let's say Trevor Lawrence), get it together and begin to rise, the fans would forgive if not forget about Watson's departure and the FO's handling of things, right? The Franchise, the future doesn't want to be there and this doesn't strike me as being a situation where simply winning appeases Watson, it desire to leave seems deeper than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 The debate over Josh v Watson makes me return to the question posted earlier in the thread - if a miracle happened and the opportunity was there would you straight swap Watson for Josh? If Watson joins AFCE he joins AFCE. There’s no point bellyaching about it and we can’t do anything about it. Admittedly it would be annoying as it feels like we held the upper hand in the conference and suddenly there’d be another excellent Quarterback in our midsts but that’s what can happen in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, UKBillFan said: The debate over Josh v Watson makes me return to the question posted earlier in the thread - if a miracle happened and the opportunity was there would you straight swap Watson for Josh? If Watson joins AFCE he joins AFCE. There’s no point bellyaching about it and we can’t do anything about it. Admittedly it would be annoying as it feels like we held the upper hand in the conference and suddenly there’d be another excellent Quarterback in our midsts but that’s what can happen in the NFL. I would take Allen in a heartbeat, he belongs in Buffalo, perfect match. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 49 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: LOL. I love the use of highly selected facts and then the need to declare yourself victorious. "Don't even try and argue with this. Accept it as fact, because it is so, and move on. What a bombastic arrogant statement. Did you even read or comprehend what I wrote? There is a difference between the two teams. You never answered my question, what would Watson numbers look like is he had Diggs and Beasley and Allen had Kekee Coutee and Brandin Cooks. Oh and speaking of FACTS, somehow you forgot these stats Watson : pass yard 4,823 Quarterback Rating 112.4 Int 7 Rushing : 444 yard Fumbles 8 Allen: pass yards 4,544 Quarterback Rating 107.2 Int 10 Rushing 421 Fumbles 9 What about Will Fuller for 11 games? Why did you purposely leave that out? There you go with your "selective stats". Leave out the #1 WR who played in 11 games. Convenient. Once again, Total QBR: Allen = 82 Watson = 71 This is pathetic that you're even trying to argue Allen clearly being a better QB than Watson. Edited January 28, 2021 by JoshAllenReceipts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: If they trade Watson, get a Top 3 pick in return (let's say Trevor Lawrence), get it together and begin to rise, the fans would forgive if not forget about Watson's departure and the FO's handling of things, right? The Franchise, the future doesn't want to be there and this doesn't strike me as being a situation where simply winning appeases Watson, it desire to leave seems deeper than that. If they got Trevor Lawrence, the fans would immediately forgive and forget. They're not getting Trevor Lawrence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: This is what it looks like when you are cherry picking stats. Except I take Donald Duck more seriously. Not really cherrypicking. Total QBR factors in a whole bunch of things. Josh's QBR was 11 points higher. Josh is clearly the better QB. 32 out of 32 NFL GMs would take Allen in a heartbeat. This discussion is silly because I am 100% right and you are 100% wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: What about Will Fuller for 11 games? Why did you purposely leave that out? Because he didnt finish the season and he has never finished a season. He is chronically hurt, that is why he was left out. Cant even begin to compare the Texans team to the Bills, not even close. Just now, JoshAllenReceipts said: Not really cherrypicking. Total QBR factors in a whole bunch of things. Josh's QBR was 11 points higher. Josh is clearly the better QB. 32 out of 32 NFL GMs would take Allen in a heartbeat. This discussion is silly because I am 100% right and you are 100% wrong. Yep that PROVES your point. You are stating an opinion as fact , i would elaborate but not interested in getting an infraction from a mod, not today maybe another day. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: Because he didnt finish the season and he has never finished a season. He is chronically hurt, that is why he was left out. Cant even begin to compare the Texans team to the Bills, not even close. He still played in 11 games. And he didn't get "hurt" this season. Nice try. Those 11 games he played certainly impacted Watson's stats. Nice try. I don't need to compare the Texans team to the Bills team. I am comparing the Texans QB to the Bills QB. Josh is a better QB than Watson. I repeat: Josh Allen is a better NFL QB than Deshaun Watson. He's just better, it's not debatable, it's a fact. 32 out of 32 NFL GMs would take Josh over Watson. Heck, there was a report before the AFC ship game that a large chunk of executies think Allen > Mahomes. That shows you how highly executives in the NFL view Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Watson just wants off a sinking ship. Their fall was entirely predictable, especially in September of 2020 (hmmmm...). Meanwhile BOB's big moves were trading a 2018 1st rounder to move up to take Watson, trading a 2020 1st rounder to get a Pro Bowl LT to protect Watson, and trading Hopkins for a 2nd, which arguably made Watson a better passer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The problem is, due to BOB's universe brain moves, they dont have the draft picks to re-build and improve and win UNLESS they trade Watson. How long is this dearth, I've lost track? Just this year? Next 2 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Not really cherrypicking. Total QBR factors in a whole bunch of things. Josh's QBR was 11 points higher. Josh is clearly the better QB. 32 out of 32 NFL GMs would take Allen in a heartbeat. This discussion is silly because I am 100% right and you are 100% wrong. Tone down the self-satisfaction here. You don't KNOW anything you're stating in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines of this post. You just don't. I'd like to agree with you, but I'm not 100% certain Allen is superior to Watson yet. Deshaun Watson is effing awesome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Because he didnt finish the season and he has never finished a season. He is chronically hurt, that is why he was left out. Cant even begin to compare the Texans team to the Bills, not even close. Yep that PROVES your point. You are stating an opinion as fact , i would elaborate but not interested in getting an infraction from a mod, not today maybe another day. 15-4, 82 Total QBR Vs 4-12, 71 Total QBR You have no argument other than a pure hypothetical "Hey, what if these QBs swapped teams?". A hypothetical is not a real argument. Try again. 1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said: Tone down the self-satisfaction here. You don't KNOW anything you're stating in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines of this post. You just don't. I'd like to agree with you, but I'm not 100% certain Allen is superior to Watson yet. Deshaun Watson is effing awesome. Yeah, he's 4-12 awesome. 4-12 is just soooo awesome, man! Wow! 2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Tone down the self-satisfaction here. You don't KNOW anything you're stating in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th lines of this post. You just don't. I'd like to agree with you, but I'm not 100% certain Allen is superior to Watson yet. Deshaun Watson is effing awesome. Allen is better. I am 200% certain Allen is better. You're a bit slow to catch on...and that's ok. Not everybody gets it right away. You will. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: 15-4, 82 Total QBR Vs 4-12, 71 Total QBR You have no argument other than a pure hypothetical "Hey, what if these QBs swapped teams?". A hypothetical is not a real argument. Try again. Yeah, he's 4-12 awesome. 4-12 is just soooo awesome, man! Wow! Allen is better. I am 200% certain Allen is better. You're a bit slow to catch on...and that's ok. Not everybody gets it right away. You will. Wow. You're a special sort, eh? Dunning-Kruger. Look it up. And have a nice day. Go Bills. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Not really cherrypicking. Total QBR factors in a whole bunch of things. Josh's QBR was 11 points higher. We've had the conversation about total QBR on this site before. Bottom line up front: treat it with skepticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_quarterback_rating Quote Total QBR is a complex proprietary statistic that has led to questions on what values are being used and to what degree. The data obtained is from a video analyst tracking system Quote Unlike the NFL passer rating, ESPN has not yet been forthcoming on the exact specific formulas and procedures to calculate QBR.[7] The proprietary, complex methodology spans some 10,000 lines of code. Quote Further criticism of QBR was brought about when, before some tinkering with the equation of QBR, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Charlie Batch had the greatest individual game ever evaluated by QBR with a score of 99.9 against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on September 26, 2010. Batch threw for 186 yards with three touchdowns and two interceptions in the game. He also ran five times for 26 yards. Statistics that helped Batch's QBR rise were that he was not sacked, did not fumble, and that he completed 70.6% of his passes, one of which he spiked into the ground to stop the clock Quote Further controversy erupted when the Total QBR system gave the Denver Broncos' Tim Tebow a higher rating than the Green Bay Packers' Aaron Rodgers in their respective Week 5 contests in 2011. Noting that Rodgers completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns in a win over the Atlanta Falcons, while Tebow completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown, and six rushes for 38 yards and a touchdown, in a loss to the San Diego Chargers. In a more recent example, a game played on September 24, 2017, Alex Smith of Kansas City Chiefs received an inexplicable QBR of 7.8, half as much as the equally-bad QBR of 16.1 for his counterpart Philip Rivers of the Los Angeles Chargers, even though Smith had a higher completion rate (16/21 vs. 20/40), a better average per completion (7.8 yds vs. 5.9), a far superior TD/int ratio (2-0 vs. 0-3), and won the game handily 24-10. For myself, I continue to be skeptical of proprietary statistics that require 10,000 lines of code and produce results such as the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 "Hey guys, if these QBs swapped teams...." ^^^is not a valid argument. If your entire argument is based on a pure hypothetical...then you have no argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: "Hey guys, if these QBs swapped teams...." ^^^is not a valid argument. If your entire argument is based on a pure hypothetical...then you have no argument. If your entire argument is based on total QBR, I would say the same I suspect everyone here will stop responding to you soon owing to the great depth and quality of the ensuing discussion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said: Wow. You're a special sort, eh? Dunning-Kruger. Look it up. And have a nice day. Go Bills. Wow, you totally have the support of your franchise QB. Look at you go. Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: If your entire argument is based on total QBR, I would say the same Option A) 15-4, 82 Total QBR, 46 Total Touchdowns Vs Option B) 4-12, 71 Total QBR, 36 Total Touchdowns Me: A > B You: B > A 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Wow, you totally have the support of your franchise QB. Look at you go. What does that even mean? I think some people have tried to interact with you on this topic reasonably. You, on the other hand, are too busy declaring your argument infallible to respond in kind. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, Richard Noggin said: What does that even mean? I think some people have tried to interact with you on this topic reasonably. You, on the other hand, are too busy declaring your argument infallible to respond in kind. It's like arguing with a streetlamp, only less able to shed light on the topic. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: If your entire argument is based on total QBR, I would say the same I suspect everyone here will stop responding to you soon owing to the great depth and quality of the ensuing discussion. Josh Allen > Deshaun Watson There's nothing to even debate. You guys are arguing that 2+2=5. I am arguing that 2+2=4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: How long is this dearth, I've lost track? Just this year? Next 2 years? Good question. It looks like it is just this year. But boy, even just one more 4-12 (at best) season will be tough to get through for the players and fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Option A) 15-4, 82 Total QBR, 46 Total Touchdowns Vs Option B) 4-12, 71 Total QBR, 36 Total Touchdowns Me: A > B You: B > A DO NOT put words in my mouth or distort what I say. I am not trying to construct an argument either way. I am pointing out that total QBR is a weak reed in a "my QB is better" argument and why. Many people have pointed out many times that W-L is a team statistic, thus it is also a weak reed in that argument. Upthread, someone pointed out accurately that you are cherry-picking stats by selecting TD. Me, I'm starting to suspect some good 'ol trolling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: What does that even mean? I think some people have tried to interact with you on this topic reasonably. You, on the other hand, are too busy declaring your argument infallible to respond in kind. 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's like arguing with a streetlamp, only less able to shed light on the topic. The funny part is, I actually do think (since it is just opinion) that Josh is better. But the way this jabroni works, it's actually pushing me away from agreeing with him because his arguments are so flawed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: What does that even mean? I think some people have tried to interact with you on this topic reasonably. You, on the other hand, are too busy declaring your argument infallible to respond in kind. As a Bills fan why are you even trying to argue that Watson is better than Allen? Like, what is the point? Even if the gap was tiny...wouldn't you rather support your own guy? Dork. Why are you so emphatic in arguing the other side? Are you related to Watson or something? Weirdo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Good question. It looks like it is just this year. But boy, even just one more 4-12 (at best) season will be tough to get through for the players and fans. My nose bleeds for those poor Texans fans. Wake me up when they live through 2-14, 2-14, 4-12. Or 3 successive 6-10 broken up by a 4-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: He still played in 11 games. And he didn't get "hurt" this season. Nice try. Those 11 games he played certainly impacted Watson's stats. Nice try. I don't need to compare the Texans team to the Bills team. I am comparing the Texans QB to the Bills QB. Josh is a better QB than Watson. I repeat: Josh Allen is a better NFL QB than Deshaun Watson. He's just better, it's not debatable, it's a fact. 32 out of 32 NFL GMs would take Josh over Watson. Heck, there was a report before the AFC ship game that a large chunk of executies think Allen > Mahomes. That shows you how highly executives in the NFL view Allen. You have already said multiple times Allen is better, i get it....you have already said it was a fact so why do you keep harping about it? If it is a FACT and isnt debakle why do you keep debating it? No Fuller was suspended, he wasnt hurt this year because he was taking PEDs so he wouldnt get hurt. He could never complete a year with the Texans but think otherwise. You think the Texans are as good as the Bills excluding the QBs that is your call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: DO NOT put words in my mouth or distort what I say. I am not trying to construct an argument either way. I am pointing out that total QBR is a weak reed in a "my QB is better" argument and why. Many people have pointed out many times that W-L is a team statistic, thus it is also a weak reed in that argument. Upthread, someone pointed out accurately that you are cherry-picking stats by selecting TD. Me, I'm starting to suspect some good 'ol trolling I'm cherrypicking the most important stats, u mean? The name of the game is to score Touchdowns. Allen scored 10 more Touchdowns. The MVP this year, Aaron Rodgers, led the NFL in Touchdowns. So I would say it's a pretty important stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: It's like arguing with a streetlamp, only less able to shed light on the topic. 1 minute ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: As a Bills fan why are you even trying to argue that Watson is better than Allen? Like, what is the point? Even if the gap was tiny...wouldn't you rather support your own guy? Dork. Why are you so emphatic in arguing the other side? Are you related to Watson or something? Weirdo. Here is the point where you get off this schtick of yours and step away from the keyboard. Josh Allen will never know, or care, about this particular thread. I'm not supporting my team by plugging my ears and chanting gibberish until the bad people with their reasonable uncertainty stop being so mean to my favorite QB. This is called discourse. It involves nuance, and opinion, and debate. At least, it does for adults. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 49 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Maybe, but I remember most of us staying pissed at the Bills over things like the Jason Peters fiasco. Pat Williams comes to mind too. Especially when the team is losing year after year, and it is clear the problem is in ownership/management. Fans HATED Peters for years here. I suspect some still do. It was irrational, but it was definitely a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: You have already said multiple times Allen is better, i get it....you have already said it was a fact so why do you keep harping about it? If it is a FACT and isnt debakle why do you keep debating it? No Fuller was suspended, he wasnt hurt this year because he was taking PEDs so he wouldnt get hurt. He could never complete a year with the Texans but think otherwise. You think the Texans are as good as the Bills excluding the QBs that is your call. Ok, I'll bite. Let me use your logic: The Jets are not nearly as good as the Chiefs. "If Darnold and Mahomes swapped teams, Darnold would be better! Look how much better the team is around Mahomes!" ^^^This is essentially what you are arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: My nose bleeds for those poor Texans fans. Wake me up when they live through 2-14, 2-14, 4-12. Or 3 successive 6-10 broken up by a 4-12. They are likely headed there and most cognizant fans realize it. Texans have always enjoyed a massive loud home field advantage, after the past year i think a LOT of that is gone. And they now going to compete against Trevor Lawrence for the next decade. They have good coahes they have to compete against, Reich, Vrable and Urban Meyer. The Marrone weak link is finally gone. The days of them slopping into a weak AFC South title are likely gone for a long, long time. I cant turn on any sorts radio in houston without non-stop Texans complaining...in a very schadenfruende manner I enjoy that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Fans HATED Peters for years here. I suspect some still do. It was irrational, but it was definitely a thing. Did they hate Peters? Or did they hate Eugene Parker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Did they hate Peters? Or did they hate Eugene Parker? It was a package deal. They blamed Peters for being overweight, they blamed him for JP getting sacked vs the Jets, they blamed him for holding out, they blamed him for not liking the fact that the Bills gave him a RT contract and then immediately moving him to LT, etc. etc. I lived through it. Calling @PromoTheRobot... Edited January 28, 2021 by dave mcbride 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenReceipts Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Here is the point where you get off this schtick of yours and step away from the keyboard. Josh Allen will never know, or care, about this particular thread. I'm not supporting my team by plugging my ears and chanting gibberish until the bad people with their reasonable uncertainty stop being so mean to my favorite QB. This is called discourse. It involves nuance, and opinion, and debate. At least, it does for adults. If Darnold and Mahomes swapped teams, Darnold would be better! Look how much better the team is around Mahomes!" ^^^This is essentially what you are arguing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: Josh Allen > Deshaun Watson There's nothing to even debate. You guys are arguing that 2+2=5. I am arguing that 2+2=4. I love Josh Allen. My favorite Bill of all time. ( I’m 31) IMO, Watson>Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 1 minute ago, JoshAllenReceipts said: As a Bills fan why are you even trying to argue that Watson is better than Allen? I admire our GM, Brandon Beane, who points out that to improve, we need to be scrupulously honest with ourselves in evaluating our team and its players. I don't think being a Bills Fan means I have to be a blind Homer who can't acknowledge when a player on another team might be better than ours. I think Allen may evolve to be better than Watson, and that people with an eyeball scouting bent could construct an argument that Allen was better this year. But Watson has been a top QB in the league for 3 years now. The demonstrated ability to sustain success as a QB also has value, especially after Watson proved he could get it done without his top weapon De'Andre Hopkins. Watson led the league in passing yards this season. He had a higher completion % than Allen. He had a better TD/INT ratio, 4.7 vs 3.7. He had a higher YPA. He had a higher passer rating. He had a higher NY/A and ANY/A even despite all the sacks he took. He played his ass off this season. To assert Allen is better because he has a higher total QBR and threw more TDs while ignoring all these other statistics is either farcical or trolling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 28, 2021 Share Posted January 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Wow. You're a special sort, eh?r Dunning-Kruger. Look it up. And have a nice day. Go Bills. Excellent, i havent seen that term in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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