Big Turk Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) Well...I guess the Lions do every year too with Stafford but Watson's Texans routinely make the playoffs...they hosted us last year after winning the division... Watson has MVP caliber numbers this year... Almost 4500 yards passing, completing 70.1% of his passes with 30 TDs to 6 INTs and a 112.6 rating. It is almost impossible for a team to be this bad with a QB performing at this level. And now they currently would be drafting 3rd overall? Just seems like a huge dropoff considering Watson has played very well this year and how much QBs can do to influence the outcome of games. Does this fly in the face of people who say Franchise QBs will guarantee you 7 or 8 wins? Certainly seems to. Edited December 28, 2020 by Big Turk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 They have showed that having a terrible front office and coaching will definitely hold you back. And definitely don't trade elite WR1s for RBs. Not smart. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Houston is in quite a tough spot.. Not a good roster, outside QB. No cap space to work with. Not much draft capital either. I think they could definitely be looking like Lions-South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Well...I guess the Lions do every year too with Stafford but Watson's Texans routinely make the playoffs...they hosted us last year after winning the division... And now they currently would be drafting 3rd overall? Just seems like a huge dropoff considering Watson has played very well this year and how much QBs can do to influence the outcome of games. Does this fly in the face of people who say Franchise QBs will guarantee you 7 or 8 wins? Certainly seems to. Absolutely! Nothing is proof against having a craptastic player personnel management strategy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On any given year with poor leadership and cap managment, sure. I think Houston will be a force down the road though. Watson is great and they will be a team to deal with moving forward. The QB is one of three parts you need, the others are coaching and cap management. The Saints have struggled with cap management. Tee Falcons have struggled with coaching and cap management. In general if you get a top 5 type QB you should be able to consistently compete. I still think we need the element of time to put Allen in that category. The other thing, a couple examples of teams that had success only to fall off once the OC left, Philly and Atlanta....the new OC (if Daboll leaves) will be really important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Well...I guess the Lions do every year too with Stafford but Watson's Texans routinely make the playoffs...they hosted us last year after winning the division... And now they currently would be drafting 3rd overall? Just seems like a huge dropoff considering Watson has played very well this year and how much QBs can do to influence the outcome of games. Does this fly in the face of people who say Franchise QBs will guarantee you 7 or 8 wins? Certainly seems to. The Texans put an idiot in charge of their football operations. Even a franchise QB can’t overcome that. The good news is that with Deshaun Watson under contract long term, the rebuild should not be too long or hard, despite the fact that the idiot gave away most of your immediate draft capital. (Watson is a far better QB than Matt Stafford, BTW...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Seems appropriate to put this here. JJ Watt presser. He lays it out: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2924323-video-jj-watt-discusses-texans-struggles-in-passionate-postgame-presser 6 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 you forgot Matt Ryan. And Dalton. And Eli Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Seems appropriate to put this here. JJ Watt presser. He lays it out: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2924323-video-jj-watt-discusses-texans-struggles-in-passionate-postgame-presser That dude is one of my favorite non Bills of all time...he is everything that is right with sports. After that huge hurricane hit, he raised more money for the area than anyone else and was involved in the entire process of helping to rebuild things and setting all of the processes up, etc...big respect to JJ Watt. Edited December 28, 2020 by Big Turk 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Yes. It is a team game and you cannot win consistently with a great QB while most of other 21 starters are bad or lazy. Also, if your coach is not good that is a huge disadvantage. However... it is much easier for them to turn it around and improve with the QB spot settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: you forgot Matt Ryan. And Dalton. And Eli Manning. Dalton and Manning were never about that life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Well...I guess the Lions do every year too with Stafford but Watson's Texans routinely make the playoffs...they hosted us last year after winning the division... Watson has MVP caliber numbers this year... Almost 4500 yards passing, completing 70.1% of his passes with 30 TDs to 6 INTs and a 112.6 rating. It is almost impossible for a team to be this bad with a QB performing at this level. And now they currently would be drafting 3rd overall? Just seems like a huge dropoff considering Watson has played very well this year and how much QBs can do to influence the outcome of games. Does this fly in the face of people who say Franchise QBs will guarantee you 7 or 8 wins? Certainly seems to. Sucks that the dolphins have their pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, Big Turk said: Dalton and Manning were never about that life. Which life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Sucks that the dolphins have their pick. Yeah...3rd overall right now. Dolphins could turn that into a Kings Ransom. 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Which life? Elite QB life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Rumor I heard from someone in Buffalo is that the Texans are very interested in Daboll (HC) and Joe Schoen (GM). I hope this is false. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, Big Turk said: Yeah...3rd overall right now. Dolphins could turn that into a Kings Ransom. Either that or Ja’marr Chase😫 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 A combo of Bad ownership, front office and coaching can certainly offset elite QB play, yes. Houston has had all 3 of those for several seasons now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Seems appropriate to put this here. JJ Watt presser. He lays it out: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2924323-video-jj-watt-discusses-texans-struggles-in-passionate-postgame-presser Every team should watch that video at the start of training camp. Every year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Watson has played at a top 5 level. He has been remarkable really. Even when in recent weeks down starters on the oline (which is awful to start with) and with practice squad scrubs to throw to. He has totally disproven the "ah he is just an average QB propped up by DeAndre Hopkins" narrative that always rang hollow to me. It is Rodgers, Allen, Mahomes and then Watson and Wilson. They are undsiputably the best 5 QBs in football at this point. The Texans are a mess elsewhere though. They have about 5 good players. That said while 2021 is gonna be another tough year the rebuild could be pretty quick after that because they are tied in long term to basically nobody other than Watson. So a smart GM and HC combo could be back in contention by 2022. It is a job I would love - especially the GM one - because you start with a blank sheet of paper but the most important part of the puzzle in place. Just build even an average roster around him and you are a playoff team right away. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Yeah...3rd overall right now. Dolphins could turn that into a Kings Ransom. Elite QB life. In 2014 Manning had 4410 yards, 30 TDs and 14 int. In 2015 Manning had 4432 yards, 35 TDs and 14 int. Both seasons the Giants went 6-10. This is Watson only season over 4400 yards and over 26 TDs. Not Elite QB life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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