Week 8: Patriots at Bills

[DDCC]

15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I  wonder what Cody Ford status is. I’d like to get winters off the field 

I hope he can make it back as well.  I think his injury is very significant though.  I wouldn’t expect him to play but you never now the extent of injuries.  I had the feeling Feliciano would be back.  All the data pointed that direction.  Feel good that Brown and Milano are back.  Big dot will be if Ford is on the bike today.  He may be agame time decision. Let’s hope for the best

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, DDCC said:

I hope he can make it back as well.  I think his injury is very significant though.  I wouldn’t expect him to play but you never now the extent of injuries.  I had the feeling Feliciano would be back.  All the data pointed that direction.  Feel good that Brown and Milano are back.  Big dot will be if Ford is on the bike today.  He may be agame time decision. Let’s hope for the best

How significant could it be if he wasn’t sent to IR? Not like they couldn’t use the roster spot... 

Edited October 28, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[DDCC]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Well since yesterday was the deadline and he had already returned to practice, it was pretty apparent.

 

Did you see a practice report with the status of Brown?

 

We got Milano back last week.

Read my posts before the announcement.  Again, Milano played but didn’t start. He will this week and you questioned me on Brown. Relax.  It is great all three are back and we have a chance now.  Brown will definitely open up the field for Diggs

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, DDCC said:

Read my posts before the announcement.  Again, Milano played but didn’t start. He will this week and you questioned me on Brown. Relax.  It is great all three are back and we have a chance now.  Brown will definitely open up the field for Diggs

There’s an entire thread with people assuming he’d be activated yesterday. Cut the 💩 already.

[DDCC]

1 hour ago, sherpa said:

Forecast calls for significant wind on Sunday.

If forecast hold, it will definitely impact the onlu

Only in the kicking game.  Both qb have guns.  I think we will have more balance this week.  I think our game plan will try to establish the run.  I expect Singletary to go over 100. He should get 20 touches.  The game will come down to our red zone offense.  Probably our focus this week in practice.  We will probably try to run it in this week. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[MAJBobby]

Gilmore back to making business decisions????

[DDCC]

Ford, Winters or Feliciano at guards? I would go with Feliciano and Ford.  Looks like Ford is playing on Sunday. So it will be interesting who the bills start.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

23 minutes ago, DDCC said:

Ford, Winters or Feliciano at guards? I would go with Feliciano and Ford.  Looks like Ford is playing on Sunday. So it will be interesting who the bills start.  

It does? I haven't heard that yet. I pray it is true.

 

Edited October 28, 2020 by buffaloboyinATL

[YoloinOhio]

 

[PaattMaann]

13 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

It does? I haven't heard that yet. I pray it is true.

 

 

dude just throws shat against the wall and hopes it sticks. No one has said that yet. But I also pray its true. Ford at LG and Mongo at RG is ideal 

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

dude just throws shat against the wall and hopes it sticks. No one has said that yet. But I also pray its true. Ford at LG and Mongo at RG is ideal 

He also will flip flop from one stance to another...yesterday he called Ford’s injury long-term. Today it looks like he’ll play. Tomorrow he’ll flip back. I used to think he did it so that he could say he was right either way, but now I think it’s just to mess with people that actually pay attention.

 

So aside from the occasional call-out I think I’ll be done with the shenanigans. It was fun for a spell, but I’m over it.

[PaattMaann]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

He also will flip flop from one stance to another...yesterday he called Ford’s injury long-term. Today it looks like he’ll play. Tomorrow he’ll flip back. I used to think he did it so that he could say he was right either way, but now I think it’s just to mess with people that actually pay attention.

 

So aside from the occasional call-out I think I’ll be done with the shenanigans. It was fun for a spell, but I’m over it.

 

surprised you lasted that long 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, PaattMaann said:

 

surprised you lasted that long 

I find it oddly entertaining to be honest 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, DDCC said:

Ford, Winters or Feliciano at guards? I would go with Feliciano and Ford.  Looks like Ford is playing on Sunday. So it will be interesting who the bills start.  

 

Everybody would go with Ford and Feliciano at guard over Boettger and Winters, but he hasn't taken a game snap since last season. 

 

I'm sure he wants to go all game.  It's not unlikely he'll be limited to give him a chance to "play himself into game shape" with lower risk of re-injury.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think it’s important to remember that John brown was a 1000 yard WR last year. Josh trusts him. He knows when to come back for the ball when josh is scrambling around in the pocket. He had 4.36 speed that teams need to respect - no one else runs below a 4.4 except maybe mckenzie but we know Daboll only uses him one way.

 

So question here.  Diggs ran I think a 4.44.  Is the difference of 0.08 sec truly that significant in playing speed?

 

Agree that Brown adds a lot, no question.

[Captain Caveman]

Any word on any of the TEs / COVID? 

[MAJBobby]

To me it seems our Motion has slowed way down compared to weeks 1-4, but this number is still showing we are still in the top end of the league.

 

 

Just now, Captain Caveman said:

Any word on any of the TEs / COVID? 

I think they have to have 3 consecutive clean tests, So I dont think we will hear anything on them until tomorrow

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I  wonder what Cody Ford status is. I’d like to get winters off the field 

 

BangedupBills.com had this to say before the Jets game:

G Cody Ford (right knee)

Ford is ruled out for Sunday after sustaining what appears to be an MCL sprain to his right knee as the result of getting rolled upon in the 4th quarter. He was able to walk off under his own power before requiring the cart to head to the locker room. I had thought he would benefit from a short term IR stay but the team has not elected to go that route quite yet. Considering he was playing through a groin, possible left shoulder/elbow, and now knee, he could use the break. Regardless of the IR decision, Ford will be out Sunday. [Again note that here, Sunday is a reference to the Jets game]

 

The left shoulder/elbow is a reference to Ford playing with a brace on his L side and it being observed he was having trouble blocking to that side.  For example in the breakdown of run problems vs. Tenn that's been shared, Ford has his guy blocked - but can't stop him from releasing off his block to the L and blowing up the run play.

 

If it were the mildest MCL sprain, one might expect that Ford didn't need the cart (unless it were precautionary).  A type II MCL sprain recovery is said to be 2-4 weeks.

 

Obviously the Bills don't think he's got a 4 week injury or they would have IR'd him last Saturday so we could get him back sooner.  But of all the Bills players who perhaps could really use a chance to heal up, Ford heads my list.  He's really been "walking wounded" when playing.

 

And still better than Boettger 😢

[Scott7975]

42 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So question here.  Diggs ran I think a 4.44.  Is the difference of 0.08 sec truly that significant in playing speed?

 

Agree that Brown adds a lot, no question.

It might not make much difference said that way but it's fairly large difference to have two guys that can do that as opposed to one. So much so that it can change how a defense can defend you. 

[berg1029]

52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So question here.  Diggs ran I think a 4.44.  Is the difference of 0.08 sec truly that significant in playing speed?

 

Agree that Brown adds a lot, no question.

Think about how far the average receiver runs on a route.. i'm guessing it is 10 to 20 yards in total?  So that's about a quarter to a half of the 40 yard dash.  Which would mean the difference of 0.08 is somewhere between a quarter and a half of that difference on an average route.  That's probably not enough for clear separation in a straight line run of 10 or 20 yards.  Most short/intermediate runs aren't straight line runs, so that's even less separation due to pure speed.  But on a deep go route or other extended routes.. you bet that can create separation

 

edit:  the other part of that coin is the fear of the faster receiver running a deep route... which can give you separation in your shorter routes because the defender has to be extra careful not to be beat over the top by a speedster

Edited October 28, 2020 by berg1029

[Hapless Bills Fan]

40 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

To me it seems our Motion has slowed way down compared to weeks 1-4, but this number is still showing we are still in the top end of the league.

 

 

I think they have to have 3 consecutive clean tests, So I dont think we will hear anything on them until tomorrow

 

This is a tough knot to chew through because of all the changes.  Based on what I understand:

1) contacts need 5 days plus 2 negative tests 24 hrs apart at the end of those 5 days.  So if our TE were close contacts on Friday in meetings, 5 days is Weds.  Does that mean they can return Weds pm or Thurs, provided they have had negative tests Tues and Weds am?  I *think* they would have to wait until Thurs (Weds am test results reported Thurs am)

2) positive test with symptoms need at least 10 days since symptoms started.  Knox tested positive based on a Fri am test but presumably didn't have symptoms at that point.  Hypothetically, let's say he developed symptoms Saturday, then he has to be out until at least through next Monday. 

 

BUT the "devil in the details" may be the "local regulations and requirements are satisfied fine print at the bottom".  NYS may still require 14 days of quarantine (for exposure) and 14 days of isolation (for positive test).

 

This is the NFL's original protocol (click to embiggen)

 

 

After the Titans covid-19 outbreak there were changes:

"Any team employee judged to be a close contact of someone who has had a confirmed positive test will be considered "high risk" and thus will be required to remain away from the team facility until five days have passed since the exposure. Depending on the timing of the exposure, that change could force a player to miss a game even if he has not yet produced (or never does produce) a confirmed positive test."

 

[wjag]

Buffalo is so due, overdue for a broken coverage, long TD where the WR or RB runs free.  This would be a great week for one.   Also a pick six would be nice.  Also a ST touchdown would be nice.  All the kind of things NE does to Buffalo to win games.

[thebandit27]

3 minutes ago, wjag said:

Buffalo is so due, overdue for a broken coverage, long TD where the WR or RB runs free.  This would be a great week for one.   Also a pick six would be nice.  Also a ST touchdown would be nice.  All the kind of things NE does to Buffalo to win games.

We had one last week...unfortunately Kroft got bit by the turf monster 

[YoloinOhio]

Per McDermott presser: John Brown will practice today

 

ford and Norman will not

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Per McDermott presser: John Brown will practice today

 

ford and Norman will not

LFG.  Time to burn Gilmore

[YoloinOhio]

 

[MAJBobby]

I have a feeling this is what we are going to see from Norman all year, more time Not playing than playing.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

We had one last week...unfortunately Kroft got bit by the turf monster 

 

I give Beluga....I mean, Kroft....props that he 1) appeared out of the coverage and made the catch despite sleep-deprivation from the arrival of "Baby B" 2) kept running 3) didn't lose the ball when he fell

 

But Man....that was hard to watch.

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

To me it seems our Motion has slowed way down compared to weeks 1-4, but this number is still showing we are still in the top end of the league.

 

 

I think they have to have 3 consecutive clean tests, So I dont think we will hear anything on them until tomorrow

Seems like a fairly clear correlation between the better teams in the league (minus Washington) and who uses pre-snap motion the most.

 

I thought our offense looked a lot better when we were running more jet sweeps and making the opposing team defend every inch of the field in Weeks 1-4 as you said. Seems like a great week to bring it back given the limited mobility of NE's linebackers. 

 

Also, am I the only one who laughs every time I see 'Washington Football Team'? Or even better, the graphic above lists them as 'Tbdname' LOLOL. What a mess that organization is (although Riverboat Ron was a good hire/starting point to maybe MAYBE turning them around). 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I have a feeling this is what we are going to see from Norman all year, more time Not playing than playing.

 

I wish the Bills would just IR him - I feel like it's a given he's going to miss 2-3 more games and be "rusty" or "not 100%" coming back from this

 

I am not a big Wallace fan, but healthy motivated Wallace >>> "rusty" hampered Norman

 

 

 

 

 

[thebandit27]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

This pleases me. He’s the guy they need back for this game.

 

I imagine that Gilmore will draw Brown and they’ll roll a double on Diggs. That probably means they zone the middle. Bease knows how to work those zones, but it would be great if our backs and TEs could show up in the passing game this week—if they can, I think we can make it ugly.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

Seems like a fairly clear correlation between the better teams in the league (minus Washington) and who uses pre-snap motion the most.

 

I thought our offense looked a lot better when we were running more jet sweeps and making the opposing team defend every inch of the field in Weeks 1-4 as you said. Seems like a great week to bring it back given the limited mobility of NE's linebackers. 

 

Also, am I the only one who laughs every time I see 'Washington Football Team'? Or even better, the graphic above lists them as 'Tbdname' LOLOL. What a mess that organization is (although Riverboat Ron was a good hire/starting point to maybe MAYBE turning them around). 

Agreed.  We saw much less mckenzie in motion vs the titans and chiefs iirc.  Was good to see it back in the fold last week.  The reverse was a bust as Moss would’ve ran for 10-30 on that play, but the more a D has to be worried about, the better for our O

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

This pleases me. He’s the guy they need back for this game.

 

I imagine that Gilmore will draw Brown and they’ll roll a double on Diggs. That probably means they zone the middle. Bease knows how to work those zones, but it would be great if our backs and TEs could show up in the passing game this week—if they can, I think we can make it ugly.

Will they run out 4 wide? Gabriel Davis seems to thrive when brown is out there 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, berg1029 said:

Think about how far the average receiver runs on a route.. i'm guessing it is 10 to 20 yards in total?  So that's about a quarter to a half of the 40 yard dash.  Which would mean the difference of 0.08 is somewhere between a quarter and a half of that difference on an average route.  That's probably not enough for clear separation in a straight line run of 10 or 20 yards.  Most short/intermediate runs aren't straight line runs, so that's even less separation due to pure speed.  But on a deep go route or other extended routes.. you bet that can create separation

 

edit:  the other part of that coin is the fear of the faster receiver running a deep route... which can give you separation in your shorter routes because the defender has to be extra careful not to be beat over the top by a speedster

 

All that you say makes sense, but I was even going deeper.  The 40 time is measured in "pajamas" and track shoes, right?  And it depends upon stuff like getting a good start and running with good form. 

 

Small differences in 40 time, seems to me, can easily be swallowed by how well a guy translates that speed to cleats, pad, helmet, play after play.  And how well he trains and maintains his body year after year.

 

Josh Allen had kind of a mediocre 40 time that wouldn't imply he was a particular rushing threat, but I think most guys who try to catch him in the open field would say he plays faster than that.

 

I think Diggs plays faster than his 40 time.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

This pleases me. He’s the guy they need back for this game.

 

I imagine that Gilmore will draw Brown and they’ll roll a double on Diggs. That probably means they zone the middle. Bease knows how to work those zones, but it would be great if our backs and TEs could show up in the passing game this week—if they can, I think we can make it ugly.

 

One of the more promising (and quiet) developments last week is that our backs and TE had 32% of the targets and 33% of the completions

 

That's with Singletary 2 receptions on 5 targets (I haven't looked at how many I think he should have had - anyone?)

[MAJBobby]

 

 

Edited October 28, 2020 by MAJBobby

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[wjag]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

This man literally says the same thing, week-in, week-out to questions.  He gives THE most boring interview of any coach.  He has zero animation.  He would flat line a heart monitor.

[YoloinOhio]