How did the right side of the OL fare Sunday?

[NewEra]

Haven’t gotten gamepass yet,  although I’ll probably break down and get it soon, was wondering if anyone took an in-depth look at how ford and Williams performed and who played where when they made subs.  
 

From what I remember, the left side seemed to have played OK pass blocking and below average run blocking.  The right side seemed to be average pass blocking and terrible run blocking.  I didn’t think the pass blocking was great because, while JA had lots of time most of the day, the Jets pass rush is a joke, and they still had 3 sacks. 

Edited September 17, 2020 by NewEra

[Victory Formation]

Pass blocking seemed solid all across the line.. but running the ball seemed to be the biggest issue for us.. Jets do have a great run defense though.. one of the best in the NFL believe it or not.. one of the few things they do well..

[GunnerBill]

Williams was decent. Ford not great.

[Bangarang]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Williams was decent. Ford not great.

Sadly it’s the story of Fords career so far

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Sadly it’s the story of Fords career so far

Sad but so true.  

[Kelly the Dog]

I keyed on Williams the entire game in a condensed version pass. I thought he was surprisingly good overall. 

[Doc]

Winters time at RG and Ford backs up at RT?

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

Winters time at RG and Ford backs up at RT?

 

Not yet. Ford does need to play better though. 

[Bangarang]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

Winters time at RG and Ford backs up at RT?

I miss Feliciano. Ford obviously will get more time but Winters doesn’t excite me either.

Edited September 16, 2020 by Bangarang

[vincec]

15 minutes ago, Doc said:

Winters time at RG and Ford backs up at RT?

I think Ford will play until Feliciano is ready. Then to the bench most likely.

Edited September 16, 2020 by vincec

[BuffAlone]

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Williams was decent. Ford not great.

Do you think that's because Ford played his first game action at RG in the NFL? Williams can play guard. I wonder if we see them switch positions relatively soon if the oline in general continues to underperform?

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:

Do you think that's because Ford played his first game action at RG in the NFL? Williams can play guard. I wonder if we see them switch positions relatively soon if the oline in general continues to underperform?

 

I would leave them where they are. Constantly switching Ford between tackle and guard is not going to help his development.  I said months ago I think Williams is the best right tackle on the roster but that if they moved Ford inside it was hard to go back. They have to stick to their guns IMO.

[billsbackto81]

Ford is a better RT than G. Unfortunately we currently have better RTs on the roster. He can still be a productive lineman but don't your breath if you're expecting Pro Bowl play. We went shopping for a Shelby GT and left the dealership with an Explorer.

[BuffAlone]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I would leave them where they are. Constantly switching Ford between tackle and guard is not going to help his development.  I said months ago I think Williams is the best right tackle on the roster but that if they moved Ford inside it was hard to go back. They have to stick to their guns IMO.

well that's kinda my point. One game will not be a constant change. If after 2 games and we get no better, I would seriously consider making the change. I think if Mongo didn't go down, Ford would remain the starting RT. I think maybe we should consider that replacing one starter on the line is still better than replacing two. just a thought

[Rochesterfan]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I would leave them where they are. Constantly switching Ford between tackle and guard is not going to help his development.  I said months ago I think Williams is the best right tackle on the roster but that if they moved Ford inside it was hard to go back. They have to stick to their guns IMO.

 

I agree with leaving them - want to see them against some different competition.

 

Also not to give excuses, but Ford in his first game had a lot of action against #3 pick Q. Williams.  He is a big strong pick that is pretty good in the run game.  Daryl Williams was going against a bunch of mush of the DEs on the Jets.  
 

I will give him a few games against maybe some lesser run stuffers to see if he can improve.

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I agree with leaving them - want to see them against some different competition.

 

Also not to give excuses, but Ford in his first game had a lot of action against #3 pick Q. Williams.  He is a big strong pick that is pretty good in the run game.  Daryl Williams was going against a bunch of mush of the DEs on the Jets.  
 

I will give him a few games against maybe some lesser run stuffers to see if he can improve.

 

Definitely the tougher assignments against the Jets D are on the inside.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Not yet. Ford does need to play better though. 

When we had success running the ball (which wasnt often) it was behind Ford I thought

[JohnNord]

I just don’t think the Bills OL is very good at run blocking - at least not between the tackles.  They never seem to get any push up the middle.  The team does much better running off tackle but they just aren’t good run blockers

[Buffalo_Stampede]

When Feliciano returns i'de try and trade Ford for a 3rd round pick before his value drops.

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I just don’t think the Bills OL is very good at run blocking - at least not between the tackles.  They never seem to get any push up the middle.  The team does much better running off tackle but they just aren’t good run blockers

That’s what I see as well

[Coach Tuesday]

Just FYI Football Outsiders’ Ben Muth will be writing a weekly column on the Bills’ offensive line (and a couple other teams) this year, first one should be out tomorrow.  His columns offer good analysis backed up by clips.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

5 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

I just don’t think the Bills OL is very good at run blocking - at least not between the tackles.  They never seem to get any push up the middle.  The team does much better running off tackle but they just aren’t good run blockers

Werent they a top 10 rushing offense last year?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Ford is just not good.

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

That’s what I see as well

Unfortunately, I think it starts with Morse.  He’s a general at Center and a great pass blocker but I don’t think he’s average at run blocking.  
 

Dawkins in the best overall lineman in both facets and is paid like it.  

 

I think that Cody Ford does have the potential to be a good run-block and overall a good guard but he has a lot to prove.  
 

The rest for the crew - Feliciano, Spain, Winters and Williams, I see as pretty average starters.

 

Of course, I might be grading a little hard but we should see over the next few weeks

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

Werent they a top 10 rushing offense last year?

Most of their yardage last year came with Devin running off tackle.  The majority of their yardage occurred over the first 12 weeks of season.  When they needed to grind out some tough yards  on the ground, including during the playoff game in Houston, they were not effective.  The Bills never eclipsed 100 yards after their big win in Denver in Week 12.  
 

They really seem to be a unit that struggled to establish a running a game.  

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

When Feliciano returns i'de try and trade Ford for a 3rd round pick before his value drops.

Surely it's far too early for this. The kid came from Oklahoma which is notorious (like other Big 12 schools) for simplified O-line play (2-point stances and wider alignments etc). He was always going to need some development and he's just switched positions again from OT to OG where most thought he projected better.

 

Obviously some mixed results on the field so far, but it's early and we've seen some growth (his performance against Denver last season comes to mind). All I'm saying is give the kid a chance before putting him on the trade block. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

Surely it's far too early for this. The kid came from Oklahoma which is notorious (like other Big 12 schools) for simplified O-line play (2-point stances and wider alignments etc). He was always going to need some development and he's just switched positions again from OT to OG where most thought he projected better.

 

Obviously some mixed results on the field so far, but it's early and we've seen some growth (his performance against Denver last season comes to mind). All I'm saying is give the kid a chance before putting him on the trade block. 

I know it's early that's why i'de move on now. I don't want Feliciano on the bench and I don't want Ford at RT. So cut your losses now and try to get a 3rd round pick.

[bmur66]

Feliciano is a beast and I liked him at RG. Did well at C too.  Williams is a mountain of a man next to Cody. Cody is still young. Just observations of mine. 

Edited September 17, 2020 by bmur66

[JohnNord]

1 hour ago, Dont Stop Billeiving said:

Surely it's far too early for this. The kid came from Oklahoma which is notorious (like other Big 12 schools) for simplified O-line play (2-point stances and wider alignments etc). He was always going to need some development and he's just switched positions again from OT to OG where most thought he projected better.

 

Obviously some mixed results on the field so far, but it's early and we've seen some growth (his performance against Denver last season comes to mind). All I'm saying is give the kid a chance before putting him on the trade block. 

Yea it is too early on Ford overall.  I just don’t think he can deal with quick edge rushers as a tackle.  I think he has a lot of potential as a guard and I do think he can help the Bills run game.  I’m willing to wait a few more games before making a determination on Ford

[Ethan in Cleveland]

The O'line just is not that good at blocking or the scheme does not work well.  Morse is not physical in the middle.  Almost every player is better at pass blocking than run blocking with the notable exception of Feliciano.  

I would like to see Ford at RT and Winters at RG.  Give the current 5 another game to see how much of the poor performance was due to the Jets D and hope they get up early on the Dolphins. Then give Ford some snaps at RT and Winters some snaps at RG.  

[1st&ten]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

The O'line just is not that good at blocking or the scheme does not work well.  Morse is not physical in the middle.  Almost every player is better at pass blocking than run blocking with the notable exception of Feliciano.  

I would like to see Ford at RT and Winters at RG.  Give the current 5 another game to see how much of the poor performance was due to the Jets D and hope they get up early on the Dolphins. Then give Ford some snaps at RT and Winters some snaps at RG.  

This doesn't make any sense Mr. Winkle.

[Aussie Joe]

I was bullish on Ford when they drafted him but I’m starting to worry about him being more Edsel than Mustang...

[John from Riverside]

When Ford finds his stride at OG (and he was good in pass pro working against the strength of the jets team) come on back here and admit it.

[gordong]

I think we should give Ford a little more time before we give up on him, my how we love to jump to conclusions to fast on players.....he's young and cheap, give it a few years 

   Last week Milano was okay but not worth resigning and Edmounds was just average according to some, this week we are all praying they don't miss the game. 

 

 was really happy with Williams play at RT against the jets...   

Edited September 17, 2020 by gordong

[BritBill]

7 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

When Feliciano returns i'de try and trade Ford for a 3rd round pick before his value drops.

 

And use that third to draft a young RT or RG who we can spend time finding his correct position and developing into a solid contributor? 

[eball]

Casual fans grading OL play is one of the more amusing aspects of this (and any) football forum, because I think 90% of us (myself included) have no idea what we are talking about. 

[machine gun kelly]

I asked David Diehl this question one NFLR yesterday, and he said he’s watched the tape, and thought Ford played well, and didn’t see a big problem with Williams.  He said they pass protected better than run protection.  FWIW, as he was a pro bowl NFL Lineman and survived in the league for 13 years.  He doesn’t normally present as overly fluff, so I trust his evaluations on the Lines.

[oldmanfan]

I watched the game again last night.  Ford missed one block.  Other than that he did fine in pass protection.  The entire line struggled gettingbthe run game going.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, BritBill said:

 

And use that third to draft a young RT or RG who we can spend time finding his correct position and developing into a solid contributor? 

If that's the route they go. We don't stop drafting OL.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Casual fans grading OL play is one of the more amusing aspects of this (and any) football forum, because I think 90% of us (myself included) have no idea what we are talking about. 

THIS