BananaB Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 44 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Here's the problem though, it's rare that good police will turn in bad police. It’s because they believe it is a brotherhood and not a job. Anytime a cop dies you see the comments on social media from other cops all the time, “we lost a brother today”. It doesn’t matter if they know them or not. They believe because the put on a uniform they are all united. It’s ***** stupid in my opinion. At the same time bad communities across the States protect the people in their community despite what crimes some of them committed. Innocent children get caught in the cross fire of gang bull#### in broad daylight and no one ever sees a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Johnnycage46 said: Lol hope so! We need actual Bills games in the worst way possible....so we can all get back to arguing about the team instead of "other" stuff. I feel sorry for the refs this Sunday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Ya live it everyday Again, a mixed market, we are not all the way socialist. The thing that keeps those programs actually doable is the free market and John Smiths’s invisible hand. That invisible hand which lifts all boats (all people out of poverty) would be replaced with government in a socialist/communist government. Thankfully we are not a socialist government completely. That’s what Marxist’s seek to do, make it completely socialist and having them at the helm, to be at the seat of power. Does that make sense? You’re comments seem disingenuous. Edited September 12, 2020 by HamSandwhich 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I'll never understand why this stuff makes people angry. If you get upset over this you're part of the problem. I've never been someone that felt racism was a problem in today's America because I never experienced it. Then I see how people react to those who stand up against it and now I understand. Some people don't care about social injustice. Pretty sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Bill Lewes said: I have. You'll have to show me where you found that gem. Read it as it's intended. Don't put words in their mouths i wish i could just answer your request with a two word response the first word beginning with the letter f.. look it up .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, BananaB said: It’s because they believe it is a brotherhood and not a job. Anytime a cop dies you see the comments on social media from other cops all the time, “we lost a brother today”. It doesn’t matter if they know them or not. They believe because the put on a uniform they are all united. It’s ***** stupid in my opinion. At the same time bad communities across the States protect the people in their community despite what crimes some of them committed. Innocent children get caught in the cross fire of gang bull#### in broad daylight and no one ever sees a thing. That’s because snitches end up with stitches in ditches or something like that 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: That's the players, not BLM. That organization has identified itself as a Marxist ideology and they personally have done nothing but cause trouble. I'm all for help, not hurt. Have the "PLAYERS" support a better organization, with better intent. Their founders are no doubt Marxist and I hate the name. However, downright rejecting the broader movement based off that may be a case of not being able to see the forest through the trees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Lewes Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: REALLY thought we were a capitalist country .. something change since yesterday? public schools, police departments, fire departments, roads, national military, public water, your tax dollars helping folks seven states away, network TV, public utilities, snow removal, post office, street/traffic lights, AM/FM radio, . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: Some people don't care about social injustice. Pretty sad. Gaslighting at its finest. If you’re not on board, you must be against fighting racism right? Edited September 12, 2020 by HamSandwhich 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Bill Lewes said: public schools, police departments, fire departments, roads, national military, public water, your tax dollars helping folks seven states away, network TV, public utilities, snow removal, post office, street/traffic lights, AM/FM radio, . . . They are based on..?? socialism? really.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Do we only care about black players when they are running for or catching touchdowns? We should also care about their interests and what they are passionate about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Lewes Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: i wish i could just answer your request with a two word response the first word beginning with the letter f.. look it up .. again, I have. >> https://blacklivesmatter.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Yes. All of those could reduce cost. But also: Less gear - more police deaths and injuries ( meaning maybe less effective in tough situations) Less scope - more of a cost transfer than a reduction weed and prostitution - the police do not make laws. We the people do. Vote for candidates that support what is important to you. so this is a conversation under the umbrella of “defund the police” so.... 1) we agree, it’s less police funding. If the gear was scaled back, not eliminated, you could have the tools to police safely still. I think there’s a debate around whether more police would be killed or if police would have to use more conservative and less confrontational methods that may actually keep police safer in some situations too. We’ve seen the guys that make cowboy decisions just cause they can, not cause it’s best. 2) we are discussing defund the police, not defund the government or social systems. So, we agree. Shifting burdens out of the police department can be a great way to change structure and types of interactions. 3) no one implied they made the laws. Voting is a great way to change structures and require less policing. Obviously. really, your “but....” probably could’ve been skipped entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Lewes Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: They are based on..?? socialism? really.. yep, really and public parks, state and national parks, public beaches, state and federal govt workers and salaries, EPA, DHS, FBI, CIA, ... Edited September 12, 2020 by Bill Lewes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Do we only care about black players when they are running for or catching touchdowns? We should also care about their interests and what they are passionate about No. I could care less if Dawkins catches touchdowns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, dwight in philly said: i wish i could just answer your request with a two word response the first word beginning with the letter f.. look it up .. we are trying to make it to at least to 13 pages here 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 The game was brutal long before Jackie Robinson stepped up at bat, or Jesse Owens lined up at the starting line. Richard Sherman stares down Ty Cobb like he did Rex Ryan. To the people who know history, how do you think that's going to turn out? Do you really think race has anything to do with it whatsoever? Show an ounce of potential to play pro-bowl, you're spoiled. You have an agent before a driver's license, all paid by rich mean people, only rich today because of taxpayer bailouts. That's the absolute worse person to be commenting on this. Move next to an abandoned home that's broke into every night, then we can talk. I'm not telling you what to do, just so you know. When you chant "No justice, no peace", people more evil than you can ever imagine hear it, and it provokes them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Bill Lewes said: yep, really where do the funds come to finance them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I’m just curious as to what problem anyone has with the comments “stop hate” or “it takes all of us.” If those messages make you angry, disgusted, or want to turn off your TV you’ve got a lot of soul searching to do, to understand why you feel the way you do. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Putin said: we are trying to make it to at least to 13 pages here ok sorry .. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, klos63 said: Some people don't care about social injustice. Pretty sad. First pumpkins at the grocery store and now all these straw men... fall season must really be here! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: Gaslighting at its finest. If you’re not on board, you must be against fighting racism right? I said some people not all people. Chill out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Putin said: we are trying to make it to at least to 13 pages here probably weill come down to the wire on that .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, eball said: I’m just curious as to what problem anyone has with the comments “stop hate” or “it takes all of us.” If those messages make you angry, disgusted, or want to turn off your TV you’ve got a lot of soul searching to do, to understand why you feel the way you do. I haven’t seen anyone having a problem with those comments !! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, whatdrought said: First pumpkins at the grocery store and now all these straw men... fall season must really be here! Are you saying that there aren't some people out there that don't care about social injustice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, klos63 said: I said some people not all people. Chill out. I’m not upset, just point it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, klos63 said: Are you saying that there aren't some people out there that don't care about social injustice? I think it’s a well worn tactic to state a side and then create an ultimatum that those who don’t agree with your definition of the side are *insert pejorative here* I can care 100% about social injustice and still think that much of the above video is offensive narrative and unnecessary pandering. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: 6 pages. I'm betting that by page 13 both sides will find a rational compromise and we can all get back to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ... and football? I’ll high five any of you guys in the stands at a Bills game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: I think it’s a well worn tactic to state a side and then create an ultimatum that those who don’t agree with your definition of the side are *insert pejorative here* I can care 100% about social injustice and still think that much of the above video is offensive narrative and unnecessary pandering. I’m sorry but if you are not on board 100% then you are the problem !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, Putin said: I’m sorry but if you are not on board 100% then you are the problem !!!! So it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Bill Lewes said: again, I have. >> https://blacklivesmatter.com e make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, eball said: I’m just curious as to what problem anyone has with the comments “stop hate” or “it takes all of us.” If those messages make you angry, disgusted, or want to turn off your TV you’ve got a lot of soul searching to do, to understand why you feel the way you do. Spoiled millionaires playing a child's game, paid for by bailed out owners, tell me I'm evil. I have to pay to see that. My neighborhood goes to murderous hell because arresting people for break-ins is racist. Ben Crump says 4 times the lethal dose of elephant tranquilizer is no big deal. He's welcome to take that amount, by the way. People who choose to live a life of crime die, the world burns, like they just exorcised some demon. All my fault. Got it. In my neighborhood, people can't sober up and leave their homes to supervise their kids, or earn money to pay bills. But if there's a fight, or a shooting, or a car wreck, you can't keep them away. That goes for everyone. Ever heard that story of the guy who worked abroad in the 1990s, and came back home today, and was shocked by the poverty he saw here in the USA? Nice world you are leaving behind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, HappyDays said: The most recent poll I found is from NPR showing 53% support to 34% oppose and 9% don't know/don't care. That is a decline but still a clear majority. My larger point is that people conflate the organization with the movement. I doubt most Americans even know there is an organization with that name. What it really comes down to is that most Americans believe there is still racial inequality in America. Trying to dismiss BLM as "marxist" is just nonsense. 53% of Americans are not marxists. nor are they racist. there is NO systemic racism OR systemic police brutality in this nation, and certainly not directed towards one group of people compared to all the others. My point is this- does bad ***** happen? yup does it happen to all peoples? yup And for all these enormously wealthy companies, and leagues, to force a rhetoric down the nation's throat is wrong. I will stand for ALL my neighbors if they are innocent. But if you tell me all flying kangaroos need to be eliminated because 3% of them eat pink zebras and its an outrage...I'm calling that nonsense out. *disclaimer....no offense intended towards the decent flying kangaroos or pink zebras out there. BLM I do not believe to be marxist...Antifa, yes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) truly a sad time in this nation, a nation more divided then it has ever been, 2020 has been the worst I've seen in my almost 6 decades in this world. a nation divided will certainly fall and from what I've seen and read, pessimistic as it may sound, I don't see this nation ever coming together. united we stand, divided, we fall... Edited September 12, 2020 by DaBillsFanSince1973 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 hour ago, WizdomCalling said: This is a true statement, some people sometimes dont think things exist because they never experienced it. I never experienced brain freeze so I don't believe it exists, I'm sure there are millions who would disagree. That's weird. Never? I haven't had a brain freeze since I was in my teens, but man do they suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, HamSandwhich said: I’m not upset, just point it out. You misinterpreted my comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: nor are they racist. there is NO systemic racism OR systemic police brutality in this nation, and certainly not directed towards one group of people compared to all the others. My point is this- does bad ***** happen? yup does it happen to all peoples? yup And for all these enormously wealthy companies, and leagues, to force a rhetoric down the nation's throat is wrong. I will stand for ALL my neighbors if they are innocent. But if you tell me all flying kangaroos need to be eliminated because 3% of them eat pink zebras and its an outrage...I'm calling that nonsense out. *disclaimer....no offense intended towards the decent flying kangaroos or pink zebras out there. BLM I do not believe to be marxist...Antifa, yes agree with your thoughts.. but BLM Is marxist. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: I think it’s a well worn tactic to state a side and then create an ultimatum that those who don’t agree with your definition of the side are *insert pejorative here* I can care 100% about social injustice and still think that much of the above video is offensive narrative and unnecessary pandering. and my post said that 'some' people don't care about social injustice, leaving room for people like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: truly a sad time in this nation, a nation more divided then it has ever been, 2020 has been the worst I've seen in my almost 6 decades in this world. a nation divided will certainly fall and from what I've seen and read, pessimistic as it may sound, I don't see it this nation ever coming together. united we stand, divided, we fall... "We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools." Edited September 12, 2020 by Chicken Boo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Just now, dwight in philly said: agree with your thoughts.. but BLM Is marxist. well we disagree on that. I'm not gonna burn down my city because of that tho🇺🇸 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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