ColoradoBills Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: You people hoping for the bills to become a mess are hilarious. Sad is the word I would use. Now if this spreads to the stadium housekeeping staff ..................that will keep me up at night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 48 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: You people hoping for the bills to become a mess are hilarious. Look at this guy with the fake news! Ok Mr. President! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Mango said: I am very unsure what you debunked here? I literally posted the archived link from a month or so ago with 3 people on the team. I guess maybe the fact that I said there was not any listed currently. Sorry, I missed that Kelly Baxter wasn't removed from the website yet. Is that the big gotcha moment again? Kelly Baxter is still listed on the Bills website after quitting? I cited that in my response: https://web.archive.org/web/20200630095801/https://www.buffalobills.com/team/front-office-roster/ One more time for the people in the back. The Buffalo Bills, and only Buffalo Bills employed marketing team was listed as 3 people one month ago on the Bills website. The list of employees you gave are PSE employees. They are also listed for the Sabres because they are PSE. What was reported by Graham is factually true. https://www.nhl.com/sabres/team/staff the pse folks also work on accounts ranging from the stadiums, the minor league teams, the one buffalo campaign, several restaurants and even the Marriott, in case helpful to share specific examples all of those orgs almost certainly each still have an in house person or two also depending on specific needs (the amerks probably having more need than the bakery for instance where I’d guess it’s a sales, marketing and events consolidated single position) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 38 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I'm still confused why people are going out of their way to try really hard to destroy the credibility of this? There can be no dissent or worlds collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 Late breaking rumours are indicating a mishandling of the Penske file was to blame. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Late breaking rumours are indicating a mishandling of the Penske file was to blame. I appreciate you, Ridge. Hopefully that will be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Late breaking rumours are indicating a mishandling of the Penske file was to blame. you're not Penske material 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 (edited) On 8/27/2020 at 11:42 AM, DrDawkinstein said: Honestly do not give a single *****. Why do the Bills even need a Marketing department? Are there people in Buffalo who are unaware of the team? Do they think they are expanding the fan base with a cool billboard? I always got a laugh when people referred to Russ Brandon as a "marketing genius". All it takes to market the Bills in Buffalo is posting the schedule. Folks show up. Maybe what you said is part of the problem. To keep Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft happy the Bills are going to have to market well outside of Erie County. There may be two problems with that depending on the reality inside of PSE. Either the people just gone were not going to have any part of that or the Pegula's were not going to give them the resources to do so. I could see either scenario being the case. I see hammer heads just on this board and the old BBMB who do/did not want people outside of Erie County to be Bills fans. I have worked for employers that have high aspirations but will not commit one penny to make those aspirations a reality and the Pegula's might be just that type of employer. Edited August 28, 2020 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: You people hoping for the bills to become a mess are hilarious. We had a nice 15+ year run where we were a total dumpster fire. Nathan Peterman was the rock bottom moment, but holy *****, we've really rebounded since then. It's still surreal that people are talking about this team actually contending for a championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh, no doubt them buying the Bills was a good thing. That doesn’t mean that they are good at running the business. Those 2 things aren’t related. What's wrong with the business side? Are they not making money? Is there money they're leaving on the table? 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: not impossible. do you think its reasonable to think that there was some sort of unpleasant atmosphere that contributed to them leaving? lots of things are possible here but one seems the shortest jump. And also happens to line up with a bit of a reputation we have heard of. and also is what the reporters seem to be trying to tell us. im not sure why some seem to be taking the idea that the report could be accurate personally. It’s not a huge deal even if true, but might be some insight behind the curtain. Unpleasant atmosphere at the Bills? See below. And conversely, why are some so giddy and willing to believe these reports? That's more telling. 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Good point. Plenty of white collar workers are leaving their jobs working for an NFL franchise in bunches. Yeah, because it makes sense to leave a job at a winning and profitable NFL franchise during a job-killing pandemic over (allegely) "low morale." 1 hour ago, jeremy2020 said: You people hoping for the bills to become a mess are hilarious. Yup. And notice it's always the same crew. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 8 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Maybe what you said is part of the problem. To keep Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft happy the Bills are going to have to market well outside of Erie County. There may be two problems with that depending on the reality inside of PSE. Either the people just gone were not going to have any part of that or the Pegula's were not going to give them the resources to do so. I could see either scenario being the case. I see hammer heads just on this board and the old BBMB who do/did not want people outside of Erie County to be Bills fans. I have worked for employers that have high aspirations but will not commit one penny to make those aspirations a reality and the Pegula's might be just that type of employer. Bills already have fans outside of Erie County and have had them for years. I personally haven’t heard of anyone being upset about the team’s Canadian and Rochester-area fans but if they’re out there they’re wrong. As far as beyond those areas, I’m not sure how many more you’re going to convert regionally with Browns’ and Steelers’ country so close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Doc said: What's wrong with the business side? Are they not making money? Is there money they're leaving on the table? Unpleasant atmosphere at the Bills? See below. And conversely, why are some so giddy and willing to believe these reports? That's more telling. Yeah, because it makes sense to leave a job at a winning and profitable NFL franchise during a job-killing pandemic over (allegely) "low morale." Yup. And notice it's always the same crew. Why do persist in asking questions as though you don't already know the answers to them? "Even though lacrosse is different than hockey and hospitality is different than football, the common thread is Terry and I. When one affects the other, we personally have a bigger trickle-down affect than someone who maybe has one business they own and all they do is that one business. Unfortunately, we’re going to get hit pretty big across all of our entities." “Terry and I, that’s our No. 1 goal: to make sure we’re viable, sustainable,” she told The News What is your man JW's take on this "reported" turn of events? Is he making it up too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: to be fair, the PSE folks work for 20+ non bills accounts. So that the local reporters are telling you that the bills in house marketing team has all departed is still potentially very true. @Kirby Jackson could probably shine a lot of Light structurally here but I’d venture most teams have a few in house folks and and outside contractor as well. That we list the outside contractors full team on our website is likely the only unique factor here, based on my much more limited knowledge. I don’t know the exact structure there and it seems to be evolving. Typically the marketing team oversees game presentation, broadcast, graphic design, promotions and branding. There are other ends of it too but it is generally on the expense side of the ledger. Sales fall elsewhere. Depending on the organization it may be developed internally and executed externally. As an example you ticket packaging would fall to this. The general look and branding will be developed by marketing and the design by your graphic design team (if you have one). The data that populates will come from the ticket operations department. By the time all of that is built out it will be outsourced to a company that will produce the material. It’s really like any business in that sense. A lot of development is done in house and then the production is outsourced. The one area where it is unique is that almost all outsourced work in sports comes with elements of trade and not just cash. Companies are compensated in advertising, tickets, experiences as well as cash. It’s one of the reasons that teams make so much money. They leverage/force soft assets on businesses instead of just writing a check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Doc said: What's wrong with the business side? Are they not making money? Is there money they're leaving on the table? They certainly aren’t operating at maximum potential. The NFL can afford mismanagement but you are starting to see the impact on their other businesses. I know people hate to hear it but Russ Brandon covered a lot of that for years. He was very strong at what he did and his team was too. Those guys have trickled our over the last couple of years too. It’s like any business in that you are only as strong as your leadership. The leadership on the business side has been messy. There’s no doubt about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 19 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Nathan Peterman was the rock bottom moment... You might be onto something. Maybe it was the 'Peterman hype video' that finally did the trio in. Remember that clunker? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 On 8/27/2020 at 11:22 AM, Mr. WEO said: They weren't fired, they quit----dream jobs in the most high profile pro sports league in the country--during a pandemic. What facts do you think are still yet to be made known that would make this a good thing or not a bad turn of events for this organization? Don't waste your breath. There are a lot of clueless kool aid drinkers here. Like mostly everyone. Pegula is a train wreck of a pro sports owner. The Bills still enjoy the illusion of competence and success (at the moment) so the crowd here is more or less happy with Pegula. Folks need to have a look at the Buffalo Sabres organization. They are in a solid race with Ottawa as, by far, the worst organization in the NHL. They are, over the time Pegula has owned them, the dead last worst team in the NHL. True story. And it's not just a poor record on the ice that I'm talking about. It's a really poorly run, ugly, dysfunctional organization making tons of fundamental mistakes all the time. Best thing that can happen to Sabres fans is for the Pegulas to sell the team and focus on the Bills. Best thing for Bills fans remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Why do persist in asking questions as though you don't already know the answers to them? "Even though lacrosse is different than hockey and hospitality is different than football, the common thread is Terry and I. When one affects the other, we personally have a bigger trickle-down affect than someone who maybe has one business they own and all they do is that one business. Unfortunately, we’re going to get hit pretty big across all of our entities." “Terry and I, that’s our No. 1 goal: to make sure we’re viable, sustainable,” she told The News What is your man JW's take on this "reported" turn of events? Is he making it up too? What, that morale is low outside the football department? Shocker. Take a look outside: it's low everywhere. 27 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They certainly aren’t operating at maximum potential. The NFL can afford mismanagement but you are starting to see the impact on their other businesses. I know people hate to hear it but Russ Brandon covered a lot of that for years. He was very strong at what he did and his team was too. Those guys have trickled our over the last couple of years too. It’s like any business in that you are only as strong as your leadership. The leadership on the business side has been messy. There’s no doubt about that. We're in a global pandemic. Hospitality and minor league teams have been decimated because they rely on foot traffic. Thankfully the Bills don't and they can keep the other businesses afloat, but without having a crystal ball, there's no way to tell when and how this is going to end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 3 hours ago, ScottLaw said: I'm still confused why people are going out of their way to try really hard to destroy the credibility of this? Because they are religious believers when it comes to the Bills, and have suffered through so much, for so long, they have shut off the part of their brain that says "something is wrong here" when it comes to anything Bills related. This is why, for example, most folks here are dead convinced this will be the year Josh Allen turns into Drew Brees. What if Allen just sucks, you ask? That is too dire a thought to bear contemplating for most here. So their psyche tells them Allen is a star in the making, despite all evidence to the contrary. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 43 minutes ago, Doc said: What, that morale is low outside the football department? Shocker. Take a look outside: it's low everywhere. We're in a global pandemic. Hospitality and minor league teams have been decimated because they rely on foot traffic. Thankfully the Bills don't and they can keep the other businesses afloat, but without having a crystal ball, there's no way to tell when and how this is going to end. How many other team's' staffs are quitting over that? How many of your colleagues have walked out because it's low everywhere? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: How many other team's' staffs are quitting over that? How many of your colleagues have walked out because it's low everywhere? As Kid in CA stated, it was just one person. One doesn't appear to have left and the other was some kid who left to go to grad school. And no one's voluntarily leaving a job right now. Unless they have a better one lined-up. 3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: It took some years, before Drew Brees turned into Drew Brees. Yup. It wasn't until his 4th season that he showed anything. The Chargers even drafted his replacement after his 3rd season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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