thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 I think Ford would be a very good guard. I’ve felt that way since we’ll before the draft. It was also obvious that Nsekhe was the better RT last year, which is why he was consistently out-earning Ford in the snap share in the weeks prior to his injury. If Ford has improved, the depth on the OL will be markedly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Doc said: If he had made All-Pro in 2017 and then played the next two seasons fully at right tackle, I’d agree with you. Now I’m not expecting All-Pro play with the Bills, but above average at least. He gave up 12 sacks last year. If Guard and Tackle are really that interchangeable, that number really seems like trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: He gave up 12 sacks last year. If Guard and Tackle are really that interchangeable, that number really seems like trouble. Could be residual effects of the injury. Also he played the majority of games (9) on the left side. I think that playing G and T on the same side are somewhat interchangeable but not switching sides. Edited August 13, 2020 by Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Doc said: If he becomes a Pro Bowl OG, is it still poor value? To quote "Dandy" Don Meredith,: “If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 35 minutes ago, BillsVet said: To quote "Dandy" Don Meredith,: “If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a merry Christmas.” He just came off his rookie year. Again, if he becomes a Pro Bowl OG, is it still poor value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 This is what any top 40 draft pick, 3rd year player without a defined roster role should say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Survivor Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: This is what any top 40 draft pick, 3rd year player without a defined roster role should say. Second year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bills Survivor said: Second year. second yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Nscheke is better than Ford and it wasn't even close last season. He's also been in the league 10 years longer. He is what he is. Ford just came of his rookie season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Doc said: He just came off his rookie year. Again, if he becomes a Pro Bowl OG, is it still poor value? Do you really believe he's going to the Pro Bowl this season? Let's be serious and stop with the hopes and wishes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 hours ago, BillsVet said: Do you really believe he's going to the Pro Bowl this season? Let's be serious and stop with the hopes and wishes. Why can't you answer the question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 9 hours ago, Doc said: Why can't you answer the question? Because the question is unrealistic Doc. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Because the question is unrealistic Doc. Have a nice day. Everything @Doc said is just going way over your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Because the question is unrealistic Doc. Have a nice day. It's unrealistic that Ford could become a Pro Bowl OG? Oh, OK. 1 minute ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Everything @Doc said is just going way over your head. No, it's not. His position is that they gave up too much for Ford, but if he becomes a Pro Bowl OG, it will actually have been a bargain. He doesn't want to admit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 Just now, Doc said: It's unrealistic that Ford could become a Pro Bowl OG? Oh, OK. No, it's not. His position is that they gave up too much for Ford, but if he becomes a Pro Bowl OG, it will actually have been a bargain. He doesn't want to admit that. Maybe I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Maybe I was just giving him the benefit of the doubt? No, I was. Being willfully ignorant is better than plain old ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 4 hours ago, BillsVet said: Because the question is unrealistic Doc. Have a nice day. You have the hardest time keeping up with conversations.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 28 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Understood... doesn't mean he will get better at the position. If Nscheke or Williams demonstrate they are better they will start over him... or at least until they give up on the split series thing they did with Ford/Nscheke last season. The odds are likely he will get better. But yes, the best man will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 I think Ford belongs at RG.. I think he could be an All Pro there. Doesn’t have the length, athleticism or feet to play RT.. Still an extremely versatile lineman which is valuable but I think with Mongo out Ford should slide into RG and Nsekhe or Williams should give it a go at RT.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I think Ford belongs at RG.. I think he could be an All Pro there. Doesn’t have the length, athleticism or feet to play RT.. Still an extremely versatile lineman which is valuable but I think with Mongo out Ford should slide into RG and Nsekhe or Williams should give it a go at RT.. so Winters is a backup then in your projection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Just now, JoPoy88 said: so Winters is a backup then in your projection? Most likely yeah... I think Ford has bigger potential and a way higher ceiling.. I heard someone compare him to Richie Incognito at RG which I feel is pretty accurate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Victory Formation said: Most likely yeah... I think Ford has bigger potential and a way higher ceiling.. I heard someone compare him to Richie Incognito at RG which I feel is pretty accurate.. hey i like ford too but starting him at guard based on potential this year against a guy that has started for multiple years at the position in question seems like something they wouldn’t do. If the team was full rebuild mode I would definitely see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: hey i like ford too but starting him at guard based on potential this year against a guy that has started for multiple years at the position in question seems like something they wouldn’t do. If the team was full rebuild mode I would definitely see it. You really think Winters would be a better guard than Ford? It’s not like Ford has zero experience and once again he has a very good pedigree to grow and be an above average guard. Winters was released by the Jets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: You really think Winters would be a better guard than Ford? It’s not like Ford has zero experience and once again he has a very good pedigree to grow and be an above average guard. Winters was released by the Jets... Winters is fine at guard and the jury is still out on Ford in general. He was a rookie ffs. If you think the jury is in on Ford at guard after one year why is the jury still out on him at RT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Winters has had injury issues the past 3 years so Ford might end up playing anyway. Again I'd concentrate on Williams at RT and have Ford compete there and at RG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, Doc said: Winters has had injury issues the past 3 years so Ford might end up playing anyway. Again I'd concentrate on Williams at RT and have Ford compete there and at RG. That’s a good point on the injuries but come week 1 i’m just saying i’d be surprised if winters and spain aren’t the starting guards. Anytime Winters hasn’t been hurt he’s started right? I’m advocating for another chance for Ford at RT. I don’t want him languishing on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: Winters is fine at guard and the jury is still out on Ford in general. He was a rookie ffs. If you think the jury is in on Ford at guard after one year why is the jury still out on him at RT? Winters is a Jets castoff.... their line really isn’t that good. Ford was projected as a first round pick by many and we had to trade up and get him early in the second round. Then you have to factor in that Ford started for us last year so there is more continuity on the line. This is his second year under Bobby Johnson so he has more familiarity with the audibles and blocking formations and playbook. Ford is also 23 and Winters is 29. Ford has 3 more years on his deal, Winters has 1. Ford is clearly not a RT, he is too slow, but he has so much power in his game that he’d be a natural at guard. We are a team built to win now but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t develop our younger players because after all we are still a very young team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said: That’s a good point on the injuries but come week 1 i’m just saying i’d be surprised if winters and spain aren’t the starting guards. Anytime Winters hasn’t been hurt he’s started right? I’m advocating for another chance for Ford at RT. I don’t want him languishing on the bench. Yeah. Unless Cody appears to be equal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: Winters is a Jets castoff.... their line really isn’t that good. Ford was projected as a first round pick by many and we had to trade up and get him early in the second round. Then you have to factor in that Ford started for us last year so there is more continuity on the line. This is his second year under Bobby Johnson so he has more familiarity with the audibles and blocking formations and playbook. Ford is also 23 and Winters is 29. Ford has 3 more years on his deal, Winters has 1. Ford is clearly not a RT, he is too slow, but he has so much power in his game that he’d be a natural at guard. We are a team built to win now but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t develop our younger players because after all we are still a very young team. all good points - I’d say the jets line wasn’t terrible for his whole tenure there though. We’ll see. If they signed Winters for depth after Feliciano got hurt I get it of course. I’m just not as quick to dismiss Ford at RT as you are. 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah. Unless Cody appears to be equal. of course. Winters is here for the short term I have no doubt about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Marcel L-J article on Cody Ford's offseason: https://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/34785/bills-cody-ford-excited-for-year-2-after-an-offseason-of-healing-improving 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 On 8/12/2020 at 7:52 PM, Royale with Cheese said: It better be RT because you're not getting the either starting spot at guard. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Ford is a player. He is going to justify the Bills confidence in him sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, FLFan said: Ford is a player. He is going to justify the Bills confidence in him sooner than later. I sure hope so. I’m trying not to destroy the kid, only because the opposition is doing enough of that for everyone. While rewatching the game, I was focusing on the right side. While he a couple nice blocks on their best runs of the day, overall he was overwhelmed in the run game imo. He needs to be better. I was hoping for more. Lots more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, NewEra said: I sure hope so. I’m trying not to destroy the kid, only because the opposition is doing enough of that for everyone. While rewatching the game, I was focusing on the right side. While he a couple nice blocks on their best runs of the day, overall he was overwhelmed in the run game imo. He needs to be better. I was hoping for more. Lots more. They faced a very good defensive line, though. It's like the only good thing about that Jets team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, MJS said: They faced a very good defensive line, though. It's like the only good thing about that Jets team. No doubt. I’m optimistic that Sundays play doesn’t represent what we’ll see from him on a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, NewEra said: I sure hope so. I’m trying not to destroy the kid, only because the opposition is doing enough of that for everyone. While rewatching the game, I was focusing on the right side. While he a couple nice blocks on their best runs of the day, overall he was overwhelmed in the run game imo. He needs to be better. I was hoping for more. Lots more. Well the Athletic certainly doesn't agree with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Well the Athletic certainly doesn't agree with you! 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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