Per the Washington Post, Big ten postponing/canceling the fall season

[NoSaint]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I use Auburn because one of my best friends was in charge of sales there. The stories and examples are based on what I’ve been told or he’s experienced. I always try to provide a real perspective based on that.The indirect contributions are impossible to quantify but they are significant.

 

I’m seeing 5 of the  top 65 in the red in 2018.  So 92.3% are making money (and some tons). Those numbers are also trending up not down. If you go right to the middle it’s Illinois and they are making a $29M profit. I stand by most of these programs subsidizing other sports. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2019/03/who-are-the-richest-and-poorest-power-five-college-football-programs-here-are-all-65-ranked-bottom-to-top.html%3foutputType=amp

What do you think the balance sheet on 65-130 looks like?
 

Illinois is #32 out of 130 so the 75th percentile 

 

By the middle of the 130 D1 programs you aren’t always in the black.

[HardyBoy]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Power 5 conferences generated $2.9B last year. There is no English Department at these massive institutions without that revenue. Football subsidizes these universities not the other way around. 

 

I went to a DIII college where I would have to guess the football team cost the school money, and we had an english.

 

Granted it was a private school and tuition was much, much higher than a public school and I know some public schools are really struggling without being able to raise tuition (will skillfully and extremely gracefully thud into the wall as I sidestep the conversation on student loans and college tuition in general).

 

If I do get motivated to go digging and find the amount of money distributed to each department from the football teams, I'll share...I'm very open to being completely wrong on my initial thought on the financials

[Kirby Jackson]

36 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

What do you think the balance sheet on 65-130 looks like?
 

Illinois is #32 out of 130 so the 75th percentile 

 

By the middle of the 130 D1 programs you aren’t always in the black.

I’m only talking power 5. I apologize for any confusion. That was my point at the beginning. 

25 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

I went to a DIII college where I would have to guess the football team cost the school money, and we had an english.

 

Granted it was a private school and tuition was much, much higher than a public school and I know some public schools are really struggling without being able to raise tuition (will skillfully and extremely gracefully thud into the wall as I sidestep the conversation on student loans and college tuition in general).

 

If I do get motivated to go digging and find the amount of money distributed to each department from the football teams, I'll share...I'm very open to being completely wrong on my initial thought on the financials

I too went to a private DIII school (Emerson). I posted the money from football in the previous post but here it is again: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2019/03/who-are-the-richest-and-poorest-power-five-college-football-programs-here-are-all-65-ranked-bottom-to-top.html%3FoutputType=amp. 
 

To be clear, I’m strictly talking power 5 because that’s all that matters in college football. The above post is from the previous year so it’s higher now but it gives you an example of the contributions. 

[Paup 1995MVP]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Never mind, they are still playing 

That is what I heard also Yolo.  My son plays for Georgia Southern.  He says the Sun Belt will follow whatever the SEC does.  His team is already practicing in pads.  Their opener was supposed to be against Boise State.  But the Mtn West cancelled their season.  They are playing Army on Nov 21st in an out of conference game.  They also play FAU out of conference. and have two more to schedule.  Cancelling the season by the PAC 12 and Big 10 is a terrible mistake.  Other then Ohio State, many of the Big 10 schools will lose a lot of recruits going forward.  It just shows where those schools put football on their list of priorities.  In the South and a lot of the schools in the middle of the country, college football is it.  There is absolutely nothing bigger.  And a virus that mostly will kill the old and the unhealthy is not going to keep the games from being played.  I know a lot of you on here have a very different mindset.  And that is fine.  I am just ecstatic that my kid will get his shot this season to show what he's got.  And that there will be college football to watch.  I am very disappointed that my school Michigan did not vote to play.  But the mindset there now about the football program  is certainly not what it was when I went to school there in the mid 80's.  If Bo Schembechler was still coaching (RIP) you had better believe that Mich would have voted to play this season.  But Nascar keeps thriving.  And they are going to be selling 8,000 tickets for the race in Darlington come September 6th.  And yours truly will most definitely make the trek there to watch good old 48 in his Hendrick Chevrolet try and get some of that magic going again.  Hope you all stay safe and have some fun.  From the word of Paup!

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Terrible decision

 

 

 

Not at all. Makes total sense.

 

And while the logistics will be tough, having it in the spring would make a lot of sense, assuming a vaccine is in fact in production by then.

 

The NFL would support that and run a late draft, depending obviously on whether all the conferences follow suit.

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, njbuff said:

The hits keep on coming.

 

These schools are fine with throwing away millions of dollars?

 

Do we think that these kids are gonna play in the spring with the NFL draft in sight and risk injury?

 

 

I don't think the risk of injury would enter into whether kids would play in the spring. I mean, it's not like you can't get injured in the fall. Yeah, they might get injured and then not be recovered for their first NFL season. Or not.

 

And how many college players are right now happy with what their draft status would be without a season? The top 50 or 60? Maybe? For an awful lot of even the top guys, that first contract will be all they'll ever see, and where they get picked can have life-changing financial implications.

 

There are some legit reasons for especially the top players to opt out of a spring season, but the reasons to opt in would be just about as pressing, IMO.

 

So, assuming they all cancel fall ball, would it happen? Dunno. Could it? Yeah, it's absolutely possible. Urban Meyer doesn't want it. But others do. It remains an option.

 

 

 

Here's one interesting thing that might make it something more players might be willing to do:

 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/07/27/bill-obrien-texans-rookies-facility-jamal-adams-trade

 

An excerpt from Albert Breer's Themmqb.com column:

 

 

"WHY REMOVING TACKLING FROM PRACTICE COULD BECOME A TREND

"You’ve heard a lot of bellyaching over the relative shortage of contact practice NFL players will get ahead of the 2020 season, but there’s one place I know where all of that won’t garner much sympathy. And that place is Hanover, N.H.

 

"It’s been a decade since Dartmouth coach Buddy Teevens eliminated live tackling in practice from his program altogether, and it was only a couple years after that, that he and his staff decided to pull live blocking from practice with it. So he’s not guessing when he tells you that he knows that what NFL coaches will be working with this August and early September (that maximum of 14 padded practices) is manageable.

 

"He’s done it himself. Moreover, he continues to do it, by choice.

 

“ 'The greater adjustment would probably be on the coaches’ end,' Teevens said Wednesday. 'I think the players will find that they're fresher. And my sense, if you're forced to go through something like this, when you come out the other side, you're probably going to do more of what you had just done and realize that maybe you don't have to do it the other way.'

 

“ 'And I say that because I asked some coaches on my staff who will be head coaches, and I've asked them all, they were all initially opposed, "If you took over a program now, would you do anything different?" To a man, it’s "No.” '

How this happened at Dartmouth is pretty straightforward. Teevens, a coach from the old school, had followed Dr. Bennet Omalu’s findings on CTE. The program had gone through issues with injuries, some concussive, in practice. On the field, the Big Green was struggling, and the coach was going into the final year of his contract. So ahead of the 2010 season, Teevens pulled the trigger on the initial set of changes. The results have been undeniable.

 

"• This is Teevens’s second stint as Dartmouth’s coach. The school brought him back in 2005. He went 9-41 from 2005–09. He’s gone 70–30 since, winning at least eight games (Dartmouth plays a 10-game schedule) five times. Over the last six years, as Dartmouth’s gone all-in on this, the Big Green have gone 47–13 with two Ivy League titles.

 

"• Per Teevens, the team’s injury rate has plummeted since, particular in the area of concussions. “We're the most successful team in the Ivy League over the past seven years,” he said, “and our injury rate is the lowest by far.”

 

"• The 2018 season was a particular glowing example of it. Twenty-one of Dartmouth’s 22 starters that year didn’t miss a single game or practice, and the team logged zero in-season surgeries. That’s right: Zero. That team finished 9–1, and was a five-point loss at Princeton away from the program’s first unbeaten season in two decades."

 

 

Lots more to the article, too. Fascinating.

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Doc Brown]

7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

The schools are valuing health and safety over $, which is exactly what they should do.

They're valuing the potential loss of more money (lawsuits) over the money they know they'll lose.

[transplantbillsfan]

Getting closer and closer to NFL Football all weekend

[The Frankish Reich]

I do not know of any large group travel extracurricular activities that are going forward this fall. Except football. Cardale Jones notwithstanding, this is education, and football is an extracurricular activity. Get over it.

[machine gun kelly]

13 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Spring college ball depends on a vaccine.  So far the ACC, and SEC are still on.  Not sure if it happens, but depends on the pressure from the NAACP.  I don’t know anything so we’ll see.  Selfishly as a devout NFL fan if there is increased revenue that preserves even a part of the overall revenue by adding games, I’m all for it.  I know many are Burge college fans so understood.

 

I don’t see the majority of colleges doing spring ball without a vaccine.  That is an outside chance.  Usually it takes a lot longer than February.

Sorry guys, auto correct, I typed NCAA and somehow came out differently.  Thanks Bill.

9 hours ago, RiotAct said:

Russia has one already...

Riot, I read that as well, but if it is really accurate the company producing would be submitting to the FDA for a PMA review.  You would think that would be in different press releases or journals if is under review.  J&J has posted to their stock holders they are getting closer in their phase 3 trials completion.

[YoloinOhio]

27 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Sorry guys, auto correct, I typed NCAA and somehow came out differently.  Thanks Bill.

Riot, I read that as well, but if it is really accurate the company producing would be submitting to the FDA for a PMA review.  You would think that would be in different press releases or journals if is under review.  J&J has posted to their stock holders they are getting closer in their phase 3 trials completion.

From what I understand, Fauci is questioning that it has been proven safe and effective. But I also read it going to be given to Putin’s daughter. 

[machine gun kelly]

Yolo, I didn’t want to pile on Russia, but they are known for not being rigorous in their medical research to produce medicines, vaccines, and even medical devices.  I think you know I’ve been in this space for 20 years so have thousands peer reviewed clinicals, and know too well CMARC approval in Europe which is easier than the FDA, and Russia and China pretty much do whatever they want, but only if a company in Russia wants to produce market in Western Europe, they have to get CMARC approval.  I’m very suspect of anything used in Russia, but is not being sold in Western Europe.  It’s not as if Germany, France, Italy and the rest of the EU don’t want an approved vaccine.  Hey, I could be wrong and whatever company has made this vaccine is under CMARC review, but with this never ending news cycle on the pandemic, it would have been in western news outlets non-stop daily and how close they are to approval.

 

Lastly, if a vaccine is CMARC approved which would be a good sign, it doesn’t mean the FDA approves so they have to do their own review.  It will have no bearing on what the FDA does and thus no vaccine sold in the US, until the FDA approves it.  I hope that helps guys, as many if you have expertise in many other subject areas, and I appreciate when a topic comes up, you’re well learned to listen to you’re opinion.  Just sharing my experiences to date.  Do you’re own hw. Though.

[SCBills]

Disastrous few days for the B1G.  PAC had no shot due to location and $$$ issues. 
 

If you want to tell me you canceled the season due to liability concerns, ok... I get that.  

 

Don’t lie to the fans, the coaches, the student athletes and tell them it’s about “player safety” though.   
 

If it was about “player safety”, you would certainly not say you’re going to ask football players to play two seasons in one year and you’d absolutely go to strictly online learning for the entire student body. 
 

They didn’t outline any reasons as to why playing football puts these kids at more risk than them being in the general public would.  
 

Furthermore, currently, the football players are tested multiple times per week and have access to the best medical care a college student could have.   With teams discussing their testing results, the procedures were working.  
 

Of course, for the ACC/SEC/Big XII, the true test on whether this will work comes when students are back on campus with the football players. 
 

This was a CYA move and nothing more.. it certainly was not about the student athletes. 
 

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by SCBills

[LB3]

I heard that teams are still going to practice and do their regular routine, they just won't play games. Has anyone else heard this?

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, LB3 said:

I heard that teams are still going to practice and do their regular routine, they just won't play games. Has anyone else heard this?

I wouldn’t call it a “regular” routine in terms of fall practice, but they are still in their structured days and workouts 

[SoCal Deek]

I find this all fascinating. Major sports have been operating again all over the planet for months now with few if any incidents of anything. I feel sorry for so many of these under privileged players who’ll be denied a chance to play a sport they’ve trained for and to advance their station in life.  What happened to BLM? 

[YoloinOhio]

39 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

I find this all fascinating. Major sports have been operating again all over the planet for months now with few if any incidents of anything. I feel sorry for so many of these under privileged players who’ll be denied a chance to play a sport they’ve trained for and to advance their station in life.  What happened to BLM? 

Two of the three currently playing are in a bubble. All of the three are paying their players. These universities are not going to give up the system of amateurism, which would be required to bubble them or pay them 

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

From what I understand, Fauci is questioning that it has been proven safe and effective. But I also read it going to be given to Putin’s daughter. 

Does he like her?

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Disastrous few days for the B1G.  PAC had no shot due to location and $$$ issues. 
 

If you want to tell me you canceled the season due to liability concerns, ok... I get that.  

 

Don’t lie to the fans, the coaches, the student athletes and tell them it’s about “player safety” though.   
 

If it was about “player safety”, you would certainly not say you’re going to ask football players to play two seasons in one year and you’d absolutely go to strictly online learning for the entire student body. 
 

They didn’t outline any reasons as to why playing football puts these kids at more risk than them being in the general public would.  
 

Furthermore, currently, the football players are tested multiple times per week and have access to the best medical care a college student could have.   With teams discussing their testing results, the procedures were working.  
 

Of course, for the ACC/SEC/Big XII, the true test on whether this will work comes when students are back on campus with the football players. 
 

This was a CYA move and nothing more.. it certainly was not about the student athletes. 
 

 

The Big Ten didn’t outline it, but the PAC 12 did a decent job explaining. They used the same data. It’s based on liability to be sure, which stems from testing protocols not currently in place to match medical recommendations aligned to the amount of virus in their respective zones and the potentially fatal heart condition they have seen in 10 athletes now who have had Covid when exerting the type of cardio that mirrors a football game. The Big 10 for example is testing 2x/week and proposed going to 3x/ week. That does not meet the threshold - The medical recommendation is daily testing based on virus spread (Ohio is in the red zone for example). The pac 12 says by spring there will be better, faster tests in place

 and that is why they think it will be feasible to play in spring. Feasible from that standpoint is one thing, but there are multiple other reasons to not play in Spring. 

Edited August 12, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Disastrous few days for the B1G.  PAC had no shot due to location and $$$ issues. 
 

If you want to tell me you canceled the season due to liability concerns, ok... I get that.  

 

Don’t lie to the fans, the coaches, the student athletes and tell them it’s about “player safety” though.   
 

If it was about “player safety”, you would certainly not say you’re going to ask football players to play two seasons in one year and you’d absolutely go to strictly online learning for the entire student body. 
 

They didn’t outline any reasons as to why playing football puts these kids at more risk than them being in the general public would.  
 

Furthermore, currently, the football players are tested multiple times per week and have access to the best medical care a college student could have.   With teams discussing their testing results, the procedures were working.  
 

Of course, for the ACC/SEC/Big XII, the true test on whether this will work comes when students are back on campus with the football players. 
 

This was a CYA move and nothing more.. it certainly was not about the student athletes. 
 

 

This x 1,000,000,000,000

 

Great post!!