Per the Washington Post, Big ten postponing/canceling the fall season

[YoloinOhio]

10 hours ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

That is what I heard also Yolo.  My son plays for Georgia Southern.  He says the Sun Belt will follow whatever the SEC does.  His team is already practicing in pads.  Their opener was supposed to be against Boise State.  But the Mtn West cancelled their season.  They are playing Army on Nov 21st in an out of conference game.  They also play FAU out of conference. and have two more to schedule.  Cancelling the season by the PAC 12 and Big 10 is a terrible mistake.  Other then Ohio State, many of the Big 10 schools will lose a lot of recruits going forward.  It just shows where those schools put football on their list of priorities.  In the South and a lot of the schools in the middle of the country, college football is it.  There is absolutely nothing bigger.  And a virus that mostly will kill the old and the unhealthy is not going to keep the games from being played.  I know a lot of you on here have a very different mindset.  And that is fine.  I am just ecstatic that my kid will get his shot this season to show what he's got.  And that there will be college football to watch.  I am very disappointed that my school Michigan did not vote to play.  But the mindset there now about the football program  is certainly not what it was when I went to school there in the mid 80's.  If Bo Schembechler was still coaching (RIP) you had better believe that Mich would have voted to play this season.  But Nascar keeps thriving.  And they are going to be selling 8,000 tickets for the race in Darlington come September 6th.  And yours truly will most definitely make the trek there to watch good old 48 in his Hendrick Chevrolet try and get some of that magic going again.  Hope you all stay safe and have some fun.  From the word of Paup!

I’m not at all surprised by Michigan’s decision. Their university president is a physician and an Immunologist. 

[teef]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

Disastrous few days for the B1G.  PAC had no shot due to location and $$$ issues. 
 

If you want to tell me you canceled the season due to liability concerns, ok... I get that.  

 

Don’t lie to the fans, the coaches, the student athletes and tell them it’s about “player safety” though.   
 

If it was about “player safety”, you would certainly not say you’re going to ask football players to play two seasons in one year and you’d absolutely go to strictly online learning for the entire student body. 
 

They didn’t outline any reasons as to why playing football puts these kids at more risk than them being in the general public would.  
 

Furthermore, currently, the football players are tested multiple times per week and have access to the best medical care a college student could have.   With teams discussing their testing results, the procedures were working.  
 

Of course, for the ACC/SEC/Big XII, the true test on whether this will work comes when students are back on campus with the football players. 
 

This was a CYA move and nothing more.. it certainly was not about the student athletes. 
 

 

rick neuheisel was on nfl radio yesterday discussing just this.  he felt it was strictly for safety, no students would be on campus or classroom learning.

 

i won't do it justice, but he had a great explanation.  he felt it was coming from the presidents and admins of the university, and not the athletic division of the schools.  the presidents of these big schools see the football programs as a nice front porch.  it looks attractive and is inviting.  it gets the kids looking at your school, and get the alumni to come back and be involved.  they know the popularity and financial gain for the schools, but it's just one component of a large university.  these schools are dealing with large student bodies, affiliations with hospital and graduate programs, etc.   there's so many moving parts to these big schools, that they just don't want any problems from the football program.  the easiest solution is just to put it on hold...one less public issue to deal with.

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, teef said:

rick neuheisel was on nfl radio yesterday discussing just this.  he felt it was strictly for safety, no students would be on campus or classroom learning.

 

i won't do it justice, but he had a great explanation.  he felt it was coming from the presidents and admins of the university, and not the athletic division of the schools.  the presidents of these big schools see the football programs as a nice front porch.  it looks attractive and is inviting.  it gets the kids looking at your school, and get the alumni to come back and be involved.  they know the popularity and financial gain for the schools, but it's just one component of a large university.  these schools are dealing with large student bodies, affiliations with hospital and graduate programs, etc.   there's so many moving parts to these big schools, that they just don't want any problems from the football program.  the easiest solution is just to put it on hold...one less public issue to deal with.

That’s a fact, not a feeling. Board of Trusteees and presidents. And conference commissioners. ADs and HCs have “input” but no decision making power. It’s also not just about football even though it’s what gets all the headlines. They can’t play football and not the other fall sports for title IX reasons. They can’t pick and choose -so you can’t go to daily testing to match the medical recommendation, just for football - and not test every fall athlete daily. The testing procedures then need to be in place for every big ten school (or pac 12) not just the big money programs who may be able to implement in time. Because they aren’t playing themselves. 

Edited August 12, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Rocbillsfan1]

13 hours ago, Peter said:

 

Please quote where I said that we should "all sacrifice college football players."

 

Thanks.

What’s your point to your comment then? Just stating the obvious? No *****, colleges are going to have to deal with a loss of revenue because their free labor won’t be able to generate money for them. Local communities that are all built around serving the public on game games are going to be hurt. Kind of sounds like the rest of America, and everyone is going to have to finally start wrapping their heads around the fact that life isn’t normal right now and lots of Americans are being hurt because of the virus. the #1  Priority should be defeating the virus and you can’t do that playing college sports. Public health has to be the priority of the majority of Americans but instead we want young men and women to entertain us on Saturdays for free lol. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

17 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

What’s your point to your comment then? Just stating the obvious? No *****, colleges are going to have to deal with a loss of revenue because their free labor won’t be able to generate money for them. Local communities that are all built around serving the public on game games are going to be hurt. Kind of sounds like the rest of America, and everyone is going to have to finally start wrapping their heads around the fact that life isn’t normal right now and lots of Americans are being hurt because of the virus. the #1  Priority should be defeating the virus and you can’t do that playing college sports. Public health has to be the priority of the majority of Americans but instead we want young men and women to entertain us on Saturdays for free lol. 

 

Its just a risk calculus. No need to act like what he is proposing is either extreme or unusual. 

[oldmanfan]

You're a college president, and you have to figure some of these players get it.  If just one dies, and you did not have to play, you might as well shut the doors to your school.

[teef]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s a fact, not a feeling. Board of Trusteees and presidents. And conference commissioners. ADs and HCs have “input” but no decision making power. It’s also not just about football even though it’s what gets all the headlines. They can’t play football and not the other fall sports for title IX reasons. They can’t pick and choose -so you can’t go to daily testing to match the medical recommendation, just for football - and not test every fall athlete daily. The testing procedures then need to be in place for every big ten school (or pac 12) not just the big money programs who may be able to implement in time. Because they aren’t playing themselves. 

exactly.  it's less about the actual sport itself, and more about what universities are willing to deal with right now.  i understand it, but i wonder why the acc or sec haven't taken that step...yet.

Edited August 12, 2020 by teef

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s a fact, not a feeling. Board of Trusteees and presidents. And conference commissioners. ADs and HCs have “input” but no decision making power. It’s also not just about football even though it’s what gets all the headlines. They can’t play football and not the other fall sports for title IX reasons. They can’t pick and choose -so you can’t go to daily testing to match the medical recommendation, just for football - and not test every fall athlete daily. The testing procedures then need to be in place for every big ten school (or pac 12) not just the big money programs who may be able to implement in time. Because they aren’t playing themselves. 

 

Just wanted to comment "like," because hitting the button didn't convey just how spot on this analysis is. 

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

That’s a fact, not a feeling. Board of Trusteees and presidents. And conference commissioners. ADs and HCs have “input” but no decision making power. It’s also not just about football even though it’s what gets all the headlines. They can’t play football and not the other fall sports for title IX reasons. They can’t pick and choose -so you can’t go to daily testing to match the medical recommendation, just for football - and not test every fall athlete daily. The testing procedures then need to be in place for every big ten school (or pac 12) not just the big money programs who may be able to implement in time. Because they aren’t playing themselves. 

 

The B1G can afford to test more and provide the protocols necessary.  That's what the ACC/SEC/Big XII are doing.  The Big XII, in announcing they are aligning with the SEC/ACC also announced more testing and in-depth testing for cardiac issues if a player contracts COVID.   That all costs alot of money.   

 

The PAC was dead in the water to start.  They are struggling financially and located in areas that are both hot spots and still very much locked down.  
 

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by SCBills

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

The B1G can afford to test more and provide the protocols necessary.  That's what the ACC/SEC/Big XII are doing.  The Big XII, in announcing they are aligning with the SEC/ACC also announced more testing and in-depth testing for cardiac issues if a player contracts COVID.   That all costs alot of money.   

 

The PAC was dead in the water to start.  They are struggling financially and located in areas that are both hot spots and still very much locked down.  
 

 

The Big Ten was willing to do the same thing the Big 12 is doing but 3 tests/week didn’t meet the threshold of the medical recommendation they received. They need daily testing.  Could be regional zone differences on viral spread.

[SCBills]

25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Big Ten was willing to do the same thing the Big 12 is doing but 3 tests/week didn’t meet the threshold of the medical recommendation they received. They need daily testing.  Could be regional zone differences on viral spread.

ACC is definitely the most interesting, based on regions.   Big XII is basically just Texas, Kansas and Oklahoma.  SEC is primarily red state Southeastern schools.  ACC is half southern, a little bit mid-Atlantic and Cuse, BC, Pitt, ND. 
 

Edited August 12, 2020 by SCBills

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

ACC is definitely the most interesting, based on regions.   Big XII is mainly just Texas and Oklahoma.  SEC is primarily red state Southeastern schools.  ACC is half southern, a little bit mid-Atlantic and Cuse, BC, Pitt, ND. 

I agree ACC is a lot more travel too. I hope they can pull it off because I want to watch some CFB this year but it looks bleak.

[Gordio]

1 hour ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

What’s your point to your comment then? Just stating the obvious? No *****, colleges are going to have to deal with a loss of revenue because their free labor won’t be able to generate money for them. Local communities that are all built around serving the public on game games are going to be hurt. Kind of sounds like the rest of America, and everyone is going to have to finally start wrapping their heads around the fact that life isn’t normal right now and lots of Americans are being hurt because of the virus. the #1  Priority should be defeating the virus and you can’t do that playing college sports. Public health has to be the priority of the majority of Americans but instead we want young men and women to entertain us on Saturdays for free lol. 

 

 

Please don't say it is for free.  They get a full scholarship & top notch education if they chose to take advantage of this.   Ask a kid that is coming out of college in this job market with $150K in student loans if the student athlete is playing for free.  

[Kirby Jackson]

24 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Please don't say it is for free.  They get a full scholarship & top notch education if they chose to take advantage of this.   Ask a kid that is coming out of college in this job market with $150K in student loans if the student athlete is playing for free.  

What about the student on the biology scholarship? They get their education for free and aren’t generating millions for the university. Not to use the “Tom Brady was a 6th round pick” argument but what is Trevor Lawrence worth to Clemson? $200M? 
 

The point being let’s stop pretending that the cost of the education is relevant. These guys are at the top of the world in what they do. They are generating millions and millions and millions for their schools. This is true, short-term and long-term. This is both direct and indirect. When I was a student at the turn of the millennium I didn’t generate that sort of revenue for my school. If you want to make that argument about rowers, lacrosse players, or tennis players -fine. Making that argument about power 5 football programs is asinine. The value that the players deliver to the university is FAR greater than the cost of the education. That’s why 40 of the 50 state’s top paid employee is a college coach. They provide a massive financial boost to the state.

Edited August 12, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[YoloinOhio]

19 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Please don't say it is for free.  They get a full scholarship & top notch education if they chose to take advantage of this.   Ask a kid that is coming out of college in this job market with $150K in student loans if the student athlete is playing for free.  

For many players they know that 150k is peanuts compared to the amount of money they are generating for the school. And some aren’t there to get a degree, though many do. They are there to get drafted. 

[bigK14094]

I read in the Ft Myers paper the economic impact to a resturant that we frequent in down there that this decision is  a major blow to their situation.   They are the host facility for the southwest Florida Ohio State booster/fan club.  they loose 12 days (or more) of about ten grand in receipts.   Lots of economic fallout for hospitality businesses for this health/football decision.  I dont think its wrong, but, the country is going to have fallout from this situation....many of these resturants/bars will be closing under the duress of no customers.

[Rocbillsfan1]

Funny how once the college players started gaining traction for forming a union the big conferences shut everything down citing covid as the reason which we also know is bs. The truth has always been that the ncaa has been a racket. 

 

 https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/aug/12/cancelling-the-college-football-season-is-about-union-busting-not-health

[Gordio]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

What about the student on the biology scholarship? They get their education for free and aren’t generating millions for the university. Not to use the “Tom Brady was a 6th round pick” argument but what is Trevor Lawrence worth to Clemson? $200M? 
 

The point being let’s stop pretending that the cost of the education is relevant. These guys are at the top of the world in what they do. They are generating millions and millions and millions for their schools. This is true, short-term and long-term. This is both direct and indirect. When I was a student at the turn of the millennium I didn’t generate that sort of revenue for my school. If you want to make that argument about rowers, lacrosse players, or tennis players -fine. Making that argument about power 5 football programs is asinine. The value that the players deliver to the university is FAR greater than the cost of the education. That’s why 40 of the 50 state’s top paid employee is a college coach. They provide a massive financial boost to the state.

 

 

Yeah your talking the very small %.  Most student athletes don't ever make it to the pros.  Guys like Trevor Lawrence, sure Clemson is getting a bargain.  To the 4th string CB on Clemson that is still going for that samefree ride, I think it is the other way around.  What about the guy who develops in college, and wasn't on anybody's radar but due to good coaching he is a marketable commodity in the NFL.  Look at Joe Burrow, that kid was projected as a 5th round pick, went down to LSU found the right system and a coach that believes in him.  I think both parties benefitted from that relationship.

 

& the players no matter what they say are still not playing for free, which was the point I was trying to make.

Edited August 12, 2020 by Gordio

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Yeah your talking the very small %.  Most student athletes don't ever make it to the pros.  Guys like Trevor Lawrence, sure Clemson is getting a bargain.  To the 4th strong CB on Clemson that is still going for that same free ride, I think it is the other way around.

Correct but that poster was referring to the players who “entertain us for free”. We don’t care about the 4th string Qb with the headset who won’t see the field. We care about the stars out there scoring TDs and getting pick 6s on Saturday nights in prime time.they are those providing the entertainment for free. The new NIL laws will help somewhat. 

[Gordio]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Correct but that poster was referring to the players who “entertain us for free”. We don’t care about the 4th string Qb with the headset who won’t see the field. We care about the stars out there scoring TDs and getting pick 6s on Saturday nights in prime time.they are those providing the entertainment for free. The new NIL laws will help somewhat. 

 

Hey I am degenerate gambler, so I watch all conferences, and I was actually like watching the small conferences better because they are easier to line, especially in College Basketball.  I will take Cal Poly vs Bakersfield everytime over UNC/Duke on the hardwood.  My guess is most of those basketball players will never see an NBA Court.