Democrats Can't Win Elections Without Cheating

[Rob's House]

"The primary issue is one of scale. The sheer number of ballots that would be mailed to wrong addresses would be staggering. The state of Oregon has been using mail-only elections since 1998.  The U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC) found that during the 2018 election, of the more than 2.8 million ballots the state sent out, roughly 60,000 were undeliverable.

 

Even after two decades to make it work, Oregon still sees a significant percentage of ballots fail to make it to their intended recipient. Given this fact, imagine how many undeliverable ballots would be floating around all 50 states.

 

Mailing lists are based on voter registration rolls, which are often inaccurate. If the list is not updated in real time when citizens pass away or move, then ballots will be mailed to outdated addresses. Given the lack of voter ID laws in several states, someone living at a voter’s previous address could illegally use their ballot. Voters who move out of state may receive multiple ballots.

 

The potential for mail theft is also a real concern. In 2019, U.S. Postal Inspectors reported nearly 5,000 convictions related to postal crimes, including those involving mail theft and fraud. With no chain of custody, there is no recourse should this type of fraud occur during an election.

 

Voting done apart from the overview of election officials also destroys the framework of a secret ballot.  It leaves an opening for fraud, vote-buying, intimidation, and ballot harvesting. Voters run the risk of having their ballots rejected, if they forget to sign it. No one is present to help them if they make a simple mistake and ruin their ballot. The option of a provisional ballot is not available to them, as it would be at a polling place.

 

Voters also face the inconvenience of going to a local post office to have the return ballot postmarked.  The Post Office is no longer required to cancel a stamp with a postmark.  In my state, the North Carolina Board of Elections’ absentee ballot instructions state that the voter must either hand deliver the ballot or go to the post office to request the item to be postmarked. This could overwhelm postal staffing and cause the same long lines that already frustrate voters.

 

The EAC summary of the 2018 federal election reported that 28.4 percent of transmitted by-mail ballots in all 50 states were returned as undeliverable; were surrendered, spoiled, or replaced by voters; were transmitted to by-mail voters who voted in person with a provisional ballot; or had an unknown or other status. A system that generates a nearly 30% error rate can hardly be termed a success, especially when the bedrock of our Constitutional system is at stake. "

 

https://townhall.com/capitol-voices/congressmantedbudd/2020/07/13/all-mail-elections-would-be-undermine-the-integrity-of-the-ballot-box-n2572360

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Please stop   this voter fraud by only Democrats is just plain wrong.

 

Just look at the idiotic tweet from Dump yesterday.  

 

Mail in Voting in Florida is right because they vote Republican.  Dem's don't know how to vote by mail correctly.

 

Now go ahead and call me an idiot.  

 

I'm not the one blindly believing Alternate Truths.  

 

 

[TBBills]

lol more fake news as Trump would put it.

[snafu]

40 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Please stop   this voter fraud by only Democrats is just plain wrong.

 

Just look at the idiotic tweet from Dump yesterday.  

 

Mail in Voting in Florida is right because they vote Republican.  Dem's don't know how to vote by mail correctly.

 

Now go ahead and call me an idiot.  

 

I'm not the one blindly believing Alternate Truths.  

 

 

 

You’re right.  Mail-for-all is set up to be abused by anyone, regardless of party affiliation.  I’m sure that I will get three ballots in my mail this year for people who are dead or don’t exist (my father in law, the prior owner of this house who hasn’t lived here for 20 years and the mail that comes to a fictitious name comprised of the first names of my mother in law and father in law). I won’t be casting more than my own vote, but I can see where someone else wouldn’t be honest.

 

You’re also missing much of the original post, which has nothing to do with fairness, but describes the likely problems that overwhelming both the board of elections and the post office will inevitably pose.  These are not two shining star agencies.

 

 

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

51 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Please stop   this voter fraud by only Democrats is just plain wrong.

 

Just look at the idiotic tweet from Dump yesterday.  

 

Mail in Voting in Florida is right because they vote Republican.  Dem's don't know how to vote by mail correctly.

 

Now go ahead and call me an idiot.  

 

I'm not the one blindly believing Alternate Truths.  

 

 

Good to know you think that sending out ballots the way the blue states are doing it is a bad idea. I also appreciate you recognize that both sides have committed fraud and stamping out the fraud should be out concern but currently that is not something any blue state is doing and it appears some are promoting fraud.

[BillStime]

Just like Rob...

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Please stop   this voter fraud by only Democrats is just plain wrong.

 

Just look at the idiotic tweet from Dump yesterday.  

 

Mail in Voting in Florida is right because they vote Republican.  Dem's don't know how to vote by mail correctly.

 

Now go ahead and call me an idiot.  

 

I'm not the one blindly believing Alternate Truths.  

 

 

They think they can just lie their way to another win. 

 

But people are paying better attention now than in 2016 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

You’re right.  Mail-for-all is set up to be abused by anyone, regardless of party affiliation.  I’m sure that I will get three ballots in my mail this year for people who are dead or don’t exist (my father in law, the prior owner of this house who hasn’t lived here for 20 years and the mail that comes to a fictitious name comprised of the first names of my mother in law and father in law). I won’t be casting more than my own vote, but I can see where someone else wouldn’t be honest.

 

You’re also missing much of the original post, which has nothing to do with fairness, but describes the likely problems that overwhelming both the board of elections and the post office will inevitably pose.  These are not two shining star agencies.

 

 

My point is that voter fraud is very very low.   

 

Low enough where is usually doesn't matter.   

 

[Numark3]

The excuses are already starting to form for when trump loses in November.

 

losers won’t be able to admit that the country wants him out

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Good to know you think that sending out ballots the way the blue states are doing it is a bad idea. I also appreciate you recognize that both sides have committed fraud and stamping out the fraud should be out concern but currently that is not something any blue state is doing and it appears some are promoting fraud.

 

LOL.  Try again on the bold.    Don said the R's know how to do it right and the D's do not.  That is a total BS statement.  If your state has issues, does it mean every state does? 

 

as to the comment - you recognize that both sides have committed fraud and  .....  Blue sates are promoting fraud.

 

You really don't pay attention very well.  Your assumptions are bad.  You are buying into Don's lies.  

 

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I am an independent.  I have and will continue to vote Blue and Red. 

I refuse to drink Red or Blue Kool Aid.  

[RochesterRob]

11 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

The excuses are already starting to form for when trump loses in November.

 

losers won’t be able to admit that the country wants him out

  Said the poster in fantasy land about the 2016 Election.  

[Numark3]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Said the poster in fantasy land about the 2016 Election.  

no I’m not but okayyyy

[snafu]

35 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

My point is that voter fraud is very very low.   

 

Low enough where is usually doesn't matter.   

 

 

My point is that there's enough cheating out there (practiced by supporters of both parties) for each party to throw ***** at each other.

The system worked before this year -- voter fraud is vary very low.  Now in a span of 6 months States are going to magically force each and every one of their normally creaky Election Offices make a drastic switch in how they do things.  And to top it off, we need to rely on a typically unreliable delivery agency.  Nobody loved the post office.  Now they've been raised up as the greatest agency ever -- even better than Amtrak.  That's a recipe for complete disaster.  Mistakes and errors aside, the proposed plan allows unscrupulous people to take advantage of flaws.  If you like chaos, you're going to love November.

 

I'm not 100% against a different way of voting during this time of the virus, but what's being hastily proposed is bad.  Since the 2000 election, states needed years to switch to reliable electronic voting.  Changing things to be more complicated isn't always the answer.  Make it easier to vote in person.  Spend the money for more polling places.  Let people vote over a few days.

 

 

1 hour ago, Crayola64 said:

The excuses are already starting to form for when trump loses in November.

 

losers won’t be able to admit that the country wants him out

 

 

If you like chaos, you're going to love November.  This adds to the potential for chaos.  That's my main point.  A winner will win and a loser will lose.  You can bet that neither side will go quietly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Crayola64 said:

The excuses are already starting to form for when trump loses in November.

 

losers won’t be able to admit that the country wants him out

I'm willing to bet that Trump supporters won't need crying rooms, free pizza, and "comfort dogs" like the Hillary voters.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

My point is that there's enough cheating out there (practiced by supporters of both parties) for each party to throw ***** at each other.

 

The system worked before this year -- voter fraud is vary very low.  Now in a span of 6 months States are going to magically force each and every one of their normally creaky Election Offices make a drastic switch in how they do things.  And to top it off, we need to rely on a typically unreliable delivery agency.  Nobody loved the post office.  Now they've been raised up as the greatest agency ever -- even better than Amtrak.  That's a recipe for complete disaster.  Mistakes and errors aside, the proposed plan allows unscrupulous people to take advantage of flaws.  If you like chaos, you're going to love November.

 

 

There is Fraud. We've agreed there.

 

Is it by Honest people or D bags? Or the Establishment?     Meaning the GOP and DNC actually create the fake votes. 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, Crayola64 said:

The excuses are already starting to form for when trump loses in November.

 

losers won’t be able to admit that the country wants him out

Sore Loserism 

13 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm willing to bet that Trump supporters won't need crying rooms, free pizza, and "comfort dogs" like the Hillary voters.

Ya, they just needed a wall built to protect their scared little azzes 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

LOL.  Try again on the bold.    Don said the R's know how to do it right and the D's do not.  That is a total BS statement.  If your state has issues, does it mean every state does? 

 

as to the comment - you recognize that both sides have committed fraud and  .....  Blue sates are promoting fraud.

 

You really don't pay attention very well.  Your assumptions are bad.  You are buying into Don's lies.  

 

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I am an independent.  I have and will continue to vote Blue and Red. 

I refuse to drink Red or Blue Kool Aid.  

So which states do you feel is doing it properly? I live in FL which is only state he has praised because we require you to actively ask for the ballot by mail. In Cali they are sending it to dead people and people that use to live at that address. Hell in NY they can't count 30k ballots for a primary, what will happen in Nov with 40 million mail in ballots? I do love the comment about being independent, what you mean is that you are happy being ignorant and it is easier to insult other than actually argue logically or intelligently.

[snafu]

15 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

There is Fraud. We've agreed there.

 

Is it by Honest people or D bags? Or the Establishment?     Meaning the GOP and DNC actually create the fake votes. 

 

Does it matter who performs the fraud?  I can't say if it is establishment, or individuals who act on their own.

The establishment and their supporters will try to capitalize on it by either supporting it with a wink or condemning it when they can.

Why add to the potential for this?

 

[Numark3]

2 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Does it matter who performs the fraud?  I can't say if it is establishment, or individuals who act on their own.

The establishment and their supporters will try to capitalize on it by either supporting it with a wink or condemning it when they can.

Why add to the potential for this?

 

because the risk of minimal harm is heavily outweighed by its enormous benefits

[Buffalo_Gal]

Purple finger PLUS ID.

Problem solved. ?

 

[Rob's House]

2 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

The excuses are already starting to form for when trump loses in November.

 

losers won’t be able to admit that the country wants him out

 

I would be overwhelmed with respect for anyone who could give a rational explanation for why the Orange Menace is an existential threat to "our democracy."

 

And by rational, I mean something more substantial than "he's an #######," or "he makes my dick itch."

[snafu]

21 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

because the risk of minimal harm is heavily outweighed by its enormous benefits

 

The risk of harm is accentuated when the system is changes and people find holes to exploit.

I'm not against 100% participation in the system.  I get the proposed benefits.  I think there's a simpler and equally effective way of doing this.  You and I will disagree about the level of potential harm.  We shall see what's to come.

 

 

[Numark3]

8 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

I would be overwhelmed with respect for anyone who could give a rational explanation for why the Orange Menace is an existential threat to "our democracy."

 

And by rational, I mean something more substantial than "he's an #######," or "he makes my dick itch."

you are losing it

[Koko78]

27 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

I would be overwhelmed with respect for anyone who could give a rational explanation for why the Orange Menace is an existential threat to "our democracy."

 

And by rational, I mean something more substantial than "he's an #######," or "he makes my dick itch."

 

Never underestimate the societal impacts of jock itch.

[BullBuchanan]

I love how people think that receiving a ballot indicates that just anyone can fill it out and it's going to be accepted - like there's no processing steps whatsoever that look for fraud. 

I also love how people point to the cases of people being charged with attempted voter fraud as some sort of example that it's a problem, when in reality it's an example of why it's not because they've been caught.

If you wanted to make an argument about fraudulent ballots at a smaller scale for something like the local school board, I'd listen to that. When you're talking about statewide and federal elections though, it's always going to be a lot easier to suppress to vote, gerrymander districts and use the news cycle to your advantage. Hell, even having people not record the voting numbers is a bigger issue.

Cases of voter fraud are statistically irrelevant in presidential elections.

Edited August 5, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[Bill from NYC]

56 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Sore Loserism 

Ya, they just needed a wall built to protect their scared little azzes 

Were you weeping and sobbing and petting dogs when Hillary was clobbered in 2016?

C'mon, tell us. I promise that not 1 person here will think less of you. Not 1!!!!!

[Rob's House]

17 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

you are losing it

 

I've been disappointed in you lately.

 

You're one of the few left leaning posters who has the ability to compose a coherent thought, but most of what I've seen from you is stuff like this.

[Westside]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I love how people think that receiving a ballot indicates that just anyone can fill it out and it's going to be accepted - like there's no processing steps whatsoever that look for fraud. 

I also love how people point to the cases of people being charged with attempted voter fraud as some sort of example that it's a problem, when in reality it's an example of why it's not because they've been caught.

If you wanted to make an argument about fraudulent ballots at a smaller scale for something like the local school board, I'd listen to that. When you're talking about statewide and federal elections though, it's always going to be a lot easier to suppress to vote, gerrymander districts and use the news cycle to your advantage. 

 I love how people can go out and riot in the streets, but can't go out to vote. Love it!

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, westside2 said:

 I love how people can go out and riot in the streets, but can't go out to vote. Love it!

I love how they are unrelated.

[Westside]

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

I love how they are unrelated.

Really?????

Try again. 

[B-Man]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

I love how people think that receiving a ballot indicates that just anyone can fill it out and it's going to be accepted - like there's no processing steps whatsoever that look for fraud. 

I also love how people point to the cases of people being charged with attempted voter fraud as some sort of example that it's a problem, when in reality it's an example of why it's not because they've been caught.

If you wanted to make an argument about fraudulent ballots at a smaller scale for something like the local school board, I'd listen to that. When you're talking about statewide and federal elections though, it's always going to be a lot easier to suppress to vote, gerrymander districts and use the news cycle to your advantage. Hell, even having people not record the voting numbers is a bigger issue.

Cases of voter fraud are statistically irrelevant in presidential elections.

 

 

    "Fraud is insignificant !!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, westside2 said:

Really?????

Try again. 

Let me explain it to you slower, so that maybe you can understand. In 2016, ~66 MILLION people voted Democrat in the Presidential election. There are not 66 million people "rioting in the streets" 

If there were, Trump wouldn't be here anymore.

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Sore Loserism 

Ya, they just needed a wall built to protect their scared little azzes 

Were you weeping and sobbing, gobbling free pizza and petting dogs in a crying room when Hillary got clobbered in 2016? Did you need grief counseling?

 

Really, you can tell us. I promise that not 1 poster here will think any less of you. This I promise!!!

 

 

 

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

 

    "Fraud is insignificant !!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have data, you have gifs. Keep on living down to my expectations.

[Westside]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Let me explain it to you slower, so that maybe you can understand. In 2016, ~66 MILLION people voted Democrat in the Presidential election. There are not 66 million people "rioting in the streets" 

If there were, Trump wouldn't be here anymore.

Let me speak, in a language you can easily understand. 

The reason the criminal left wants to use mail in voting is because of covid19. That's what started it. 

[Numark3]

15 minutes ago, Rob's House said:

 

I've been disappointed in you lately.

 

You're one of the few left leaning posters who has the ability to compose a coherent thought, but most of what I've seen from you is stuff like this.

You have posted wild thread after wild thread.  Each very extreme and irrational.  Who would waste their time with coherent thoughts to stuff like this

[Rob's House]

8 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

You have posted wild thread after wild thread.  Each very extreme and irrational.  Who would waste their time with coherent thoughts to stuff like this

 

Like what?

[BullBuchanan]

20 minutes ago, westside2 said:

Let me speak, in a language you can easily understand. 

The reason the criminal left wants to use mail in voting is because of covid19. That's what started it. 

Why is that a problem?

[Westside]

5 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Why is that a problem?

Really????

Just look into all the voter fraud in California. 

[Niagara]

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/07/20/al-franken-may-have-won-his-senate-seat-through-voter-fraud

 

As the Wall Street Journal's John Fund reports, Minnesota Democrat Al Franken’s narrow, 312-vote victory in 2008 over incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman may have come as the result of people being allowed to vote who, under existing law, shouldn’t have been.

… At least 341 convicted felons voted in Minneapolis's Hennepin County, the state's largest, and another 52 voted illegally in St. Paul's Ramsey County, the state's second largest. Dan McGrath, head of Minnesota Majority, says that only conclusive matches were included in the group's totals. The number of felons voting in those two counties alone exceeds Mr. Franken's victory margin.

Edited August 5, 2020 by Niagara