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10 hours ago, Rob's House said:

Let's call this BLM movement what it really is. Yes, it is a Marxist movement, but the path to Marxism runs through the province of conflict. In this conflict the Bourgeoisie is comprised of those bestowed with "white privilege" and the Proletariat are the minorities oppressed by said privilege.

 

It is noteworthy that the people relentlessly pushing to radicalize minorities with anti white sentiment are the same who gleefully remind us that white people are only a generation or two from being a minority. It seems that their vision of a utopian future is something vaguely resembling South Africa. Obviously, this will not occur overnight.

 

In the interim we will regress to a form of racial discrimination similar to that which we emerged from in the 20th century. Racial  identities are becoming prioritized. One's racial grouping is increasingly viewed as a collective consciousness unbroken by time, rather than a successive group of individuals who are separate and distinct from one another.

 

The philosophy of intersectionality dictates that justice is served by attribution of guilt and grievances upon individuals based on group identity, thus holding one individual responsible to another for a debt he did not incur.

 

The following piece details how this is already coming to fruition.

 

https://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2020/07/10/the-new-systemic-racism-that-is-coming-n2572229

 

 

 

To summarize -- "Ah ain't no racist, but them Nigrahs are just so ungrateful fo' us freein' them from slavery 155 years ago!"

 

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4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

To summarize -- "Ah ain't no racist, but them Nigrahs are just so ungrateful fo' us freein' them from slavery 155 years ago!"

 

 

 

No.

 

not a summarization.

 

Just another chance for you to spout your false interpretation of what conservative thought really is.

 

Shameful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

52 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

BLM is simply a group meant to promote far leftist groups with a brilliant name that if you say you're against them, you are inherently racist.

 

This is why we should now refer to the group as BLM and the movement, which I am all for, as Black Lives Matter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, dubs said:

 

 

Have liberals started calling Sowell an Uncle Tom or a ***** yet? 

 

1 hour ago, Crayola64 said:


there are obviously privileges of being white.  Just like there are privileges of being a minority.  Thinking otherwise, is very very dumb.  

 

 Wait. So there's black privilege and brown privilege? Then why do you guys only whine about white privilege?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Have liberals started calling Sowell an Uncle Tom or a ***** yet? 

 

 

 Wait. So there's black privilege and brown privilege? Then why do you guys only whine about white privilege?

 

 


Why do you think only guys whine about it??? Do you hate your own sex or something?

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18 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

Have liberals started calling Sowell an Uncle Tom or a ***** yet? 

 

 


In the TS thread TH3 (I think) said that Thomas Sowell acted white, so yes.  But unfortunately, I think that stated a long long time ago. 

On 7/1/2020 at 7:17 AM, TH3 said:

This guy wants to be white more than Clarence Thomas......because POTUS knows....WHITE POWER!


As referenced above. Disgusting. 

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40 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:


there are obviously privileges of being white.  Just like there are privileges of being a minority.  Thinking otherwise, is very very dumb.  


List them. Both of being white and being a minority. 

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3 minutes ago, dubs said:


In the TS thread TH3 (I think) said that Thomas Sowell acted white, so yes.  But unfortunately, I think that stated a long long time ago. 


As referenced above. Disgusting. 

 

Typical leftist: as the racist Biden explained, if you don't agree with them, you ain't black.
 

So embarrassing.

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50 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You seem a bit judgemental. That is not typically a trait that promotes tolerance and openness to other opinions. Perhaps, you were describing yourself?

 

oh i am certain i have my moments. i think i have improved quite a bit in the past 10 years or so. as a musician and composer, active listening is pretty much a requirement in my life and i have tried to use that skill when engaged in discussion.

 

I saw a documentary which inspired me and really got me thinking about listening to each other a few years ago. It was about Daryl Davis who is a black musician who engages KKK members in dialogue, inquiring about their hatred for him. He actually listened to them and their reasoning and was able to get them to listen to him too. Sometimes, once they were done talking, the KKK guys quit the clan and gifted their robes to Daryl.

 

I wonder if you see much evidence of constructive discourse in these threads? I don't. Perhaps that's judgemental of me, or maybe it is simply an observation.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:


List them. Both of being white and being a minority. 


no.  If someone does not think there are advantages and disadvantages of your skin color (all skin colors) they are either very dumb or not willing to have a serious conversation.  I don’t know what group you fall in and don’t really care.  

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7 minutes ago, dickleyjones said:

 

oh i am certain i have my moments. i think i have improved quite a bit in the past 10 years or so. as a musician and composer, active listening is pretty much a requirement in my life and i have tried to use that skill when engaged in discussion.

 

I saw a documentary which inspired me and really got me thinking about listening to each other a few years ago. It was about Daryl Davis who is a black musician who engages KKK members in dialogue, inquiring about their hatred for him. He actually listened to them and their reasoning and was able to get them to listen to him too. Sometimes, once they were done talking, the KKK guys quit the clan and gifted their robes to Daryl.

 

I wonder if you see much evidence of constructive discourse in these threads? I don't. Perhaps that's judgemental of me, or maybe it is simply an observation.

 

 

I believe those with the ability for introspection and the willingness to engage in critical self analyses tend to grow as they age. They also tend to be more willing to engage in discussions that do not degenerate into childish tantrums. However, we all have our moments, particularly when we are passionate about the particular topic.

 

I do believe there is considrable constructive discourse within this forum. Unfortunately, there are a minority of posters, on both sides of whatever issue is being discussed, that immediately want to take it to a personal level. It is a microcosm of the toxic nature of the national dialogue in this country over the last few years: a minority of voices on the extremes belittling, shaming, labeling, and, in general, drowing out the reasonable voices.

 

It seems that almost every thread these days gets hijacked by a minority of posters.

 

It doesn't mean meaningful, constructive discussions no longer exist. You just have to wade through more posts by those who don't care to engage in honest debate. It certainly doesn't mean we should stop trying.

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47 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:


no.  If someone does not think there are advantages and disadvantages of your skin color (all skin colors) they are either very dumb or not willing to have a serious conversation.  I don’t know what group you fall in and don’t really care.  


Demented brain right here. ⬆️

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Let's play a game.

 

It's called spot the substantive argument. The rules are simple:

 

- The object is to see who can find the highest number of substantive arguments in the following posts.

- An argument does not have to be an objectively good argument to qualify, it just needs to address a relevant issue in controversy and provide substantive reasoning for the position taken. (See Sample Post below for illustration)

- Signify any qualifying argument copying and pasting it in your response.

 

- In the case of a tie, a winner will be determined by who can present the best critique of a cited post (entertainment value may be a factor).

- All matters of scoring will be decided by the Honorable Judge Rob's House.

 

- We're on the honor system here, so please don't cheat off anyone else's post. Cheaters never win (unless they're Democrats).

 

Winner gets an all expense paid night of dinner and drinks with Rob's House at a venue of Rob's choosing.*

 

Special thanks to Capco for allowing us to use his post as a sample for this illustration.

8 hours ago, Capco said:

WHAT?!  You think at some point we emerged from the racial discrimination of the 20th century?  You've got to be white to have your head that far in the sand.  

? This would not qualify. It is merely an ad hominem preceded with a question that implies a conclusion.

 

Lol.  The point of the meeting in Seattle was for the white employees of the city to check and be aware of their white privilege, not reprimand them for some biological, unavoidable phenotype that white people have (aka "how they were born").  

? This qualifies. It states a point relevant to the substance of an issue in dispute and provides the reasoning for the position.

 

They are not saying that white people are inferior.  But unfortunately when you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.  

? This is borderline, but it would qualify. Again, it's not the strength of the argument that counts.

 

No wonder so many in this nation are so utterly ignorant when the talking heads spew nonsense like this segment.  

? This does not qualify.

 

Let the games begin:

 

5 hours ago, Kemp said:

White victimhood, with victim Trump at the helm.

 

White people just can't catch a break.

 

Poor white people. 

 

Send your cash to the Klan to help rectify the problem. 

 

Won't you please help?

 

4 hours ago, Kemp said:

Trump has been persecuted his entire life because he's white. He is the ultimate victim. I don't know how he puts up with it.

 

The poor darling.

 

3 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

Lol wahhhhhhh.   Scawy times wob’s house 

 

 

2 hours ago, Crayola64 said:


there are obviously privileges of being white.  Just like there are privileges of being a minority.  Thinking otherwise, is very very dumb.  

 

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

que Sarah Mclachlan song.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

To summarize -- "Ah ain't no racist, but them Nigrahs are just so ungrateful fo' us freein' them from slavery 155 years ago!"

 

 

1 hour ago, Crayola64 said:


Why do you think only guys whine about it??? Do you hate your own sex or something?

 

54 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:


no.  If someone does not think there are advantages and disadvantages of your skin color (all skin colors) they are either very dumb or not willing to have a serious conversation.  I don’t know what group you fall in and don’t really care.  

 

1 minute ago, Kemp said:

 

Yes, he's always been a great friend to the black community. Who can forget his father and him as two of the most racist realtors in NYC? Who can forget his full-page ad against the Central Park Five? Who can forget him refusing to change his mind even when they were exonerated? 

Yes, he is a saint to the black community. That is why he is so beloved by them.

 

 

* Travel and accommodations not included. "All expenses" limited to whatever Rob deems reasonable and just.

 

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4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks for sharing but what’s any of this have to do with Trump’s white privilege? He’s spent nearly four years touting his record of job production in the black community. He didn’t sit there offering them government cheese and crocodile wokeness like Nancy, Chuck, Joe and Barack. He got them jobs! 

 

Yes, he's always been a great friend to the black community. Who can forget his father and him as two of the most racist realtors in NYC? Who can forget his full-page ad against the Central Park Five? Who can forget him refusing to change his mind even when they were exonerated? 

Yes, he is a saint to the black community. That is why he is so beloved by them.
 

It also makes it difficult to explain why he is a darling of white supremacists.

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50 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:


no.  If someone does not think there are advantages and disadvantages of your skin color (all skin colors) they are either very dumb or not willing to have a serious conversation.  I don’t know what group you fall in and don’t really care.  

 

How do we have a serious conversation without a point or two to start?

 

Give us your top 3 white privileges and we can start there unless you're merely looking for this type of conversation.

 

 

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3 hours ago, dickleyjones said:

These threads are all the same: a bunch of people with strong opinions based on what they are told to think, whilst being unwilling to truly listen to others who are contrary. It is a shame.

 

That's the nature of political discourse in our country, look for any way someone might be wrong and ignore all the ways they may be right. 

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1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

No.

 

not a summarization.

 

Just another chance for you to spout your false interpretation of what conservative thought really is.

 

Shameful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is truly shameful is that you don't understand that Trump isn't anywhere near a Conservative.

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13 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Yes, he's always been a great friend to the black community. Who can forget his father and him as two of the most racist realtors in NYC? Who can forget his full-page ad against the Central Park Five? Who can forget him refusing to change his mind even when they were exonerated? 

Yes, he is a saint to the black community. That is why he is so beloved by them.

 

Tell you what, if you want to hold every 70+ year old white politician to the standard of did they ever once say/do anything negative that could have been racially influenced based on July 2020 standards you're gonna find that nearly all in both parties should have their pictures and records erased from history forever. 

 

We really need to get back to the Fed government solving it's fiscal, foreign policy/military, health insurance/health care (including covid-19 for the short term) and illegal immigration issues.  I'll add corruption.  The rest is just noise.

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20 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Give us your top 3 white privileges and we can start there unless you're merely looking for this type of conversation.

 

 

 

1. Federally insured home loans.

 

My grandparents on both sides were able to buy houses in the 1960's with low interest, federally subsidized mortgages in "good" neighborhoods. They bought those houses for around $15,000, and passed them down to us when the combined value was about $500,000.

 

Black people were not afforded access to low interest, federally subsidized mortgages from the 1940's through the 1990's, and those who could get mortgages paid much higher interest rates and were redlined into only certain neighborhoods . The total wealth from the equity of those homes that white working and middle class families were able to pass on amounts to billions of dollars. This white privilege is one of several reasons there is an enormous wealth gap.

 

2. Property Taxes

 

For black homeowners, on average they pay far higher property taxes in cities than white homeowners in white neighborhoods. Still exists in most big cities today. So not only are black people more likely to get stuck with higher interest rates than white people of the same income, but will pay a higher property tax than their white counterparts. 

 

The "rational" reason city and county politicians throughout the country decided to over tax black people and under tax white people was this idea, black people can't flee the city, and they want to keep white people from fleeing the city... 

 

I'll just leave these two.

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8 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said:

Coronavirus: Pandemic is a new reason to help homeless people ...

More Than 1,200 Homeless People in California Likely to Die From ...Homeless count drops 3 percent in L.A. County since 2016

 

Quick, someone tell these people about their white privilege, clearly they haven't been told and that's why they're living on the streets in absolute squalor in the country's second biggest (and one of the most affluent) cities. 

 

 

The guy in the bottom picture has a nicer office chair than I do at my desk at work. Must be his white privelege.

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13 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

What is truly shameful is that you don't understand that Trump isn't anywhere near a Conservative.


this isn’t about trump you numbskull. 

 

not everything is about trump. In fact, most of this was around before trump, will be after trump and trump has little to no bearing on now. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, dubs said:


this isn’t about trump you numbskull. 

 

not everything is about trump. In fact, most of this was around before trump, will be after trump and trump has little to no bearing on now. 
 

 

 

Surprised, but happy that you understand that Trump in no way resembles a Conservative.

Great Three Stooges reference, too!.

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4 hours ago, dubs said:

 


So minority leaders are bad for minorities. What an amazing take.

 

4 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The very point of the meeting was to single out people by a phenotype (skin color), attribute qualities (from specific to nebulous) to the entire group based solely on that phenotype, and inform them that the qualities automatically attributed to them were offensive /detrimental to those with a different skin color.

 

By doing so, the purpose of the meeting was essentially to inform them that the very nature of their phenotype (whitness) was offensive / detrimental to others.

 

I don't know about you; however, I was raised to believe that it is wrong to paint an entire group of people with the same broad brush stroke, simply because they share the same race/ethnicity/sex/religion/etc.

 


Now it’s racist to point out the systemic racism of white privilege? It’s no different than pointing out the systemic racism that brown people have to endure other than where each group lies on the axis of power.

 

It’s impossible to talk about racism without also talking about race itself.

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3 minutes ago, Capco said:

Now it’s racist to point out the systemic racism of white privilege? It’s no different than pointing out the systemic racism that brown people have to endure other than where each group lies on the axis of power.

 

It’s impossible to talk about racism without also talking about race itself.

 

The meeting singled out one group of people and applied some vague quality of "white priviledge" to each and every person of that group without any consideration of the unique life circumstances of each individual.

 

Call it what you want.

 

I call it wrong.

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12 hours ago, Rob's House said:

 

In the interim we will regress to a form of racial discrimination similar to that which we emerged from in the 20th century.


I’ll give you another shot since my question wasn’t worded up to your standards.

 

Do you really believe that we (who is we?) emerged from the racial discrimination of the 20th century? If so, at what point in time?

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13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The meeting singled out one group of people and applied some vague quality of "white priviledge" to each and every person of that group without any consideration of the unique life circumstances of each individual.

 

Call it what you want.

 

I call it wrong.


The fact that I don’t get pulled over multiple times a year simply because of the color of my skin has nothing to do with my unique life circumstances.

 

5 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said:

 

You're framing the question poorly, respectfully, to fit your agenda. A better way to look at it is to judge the arc of history, is it bending towards equality and justice for all or the opposite? Compare the state of race relations/legal obstruction in 1960 to 1980. Compare 1980 to 1995. Compare 1995 to 2012. Compare 2012 to 2020... if you do, and do so honestly, you see there is a clear progression from oppression towards liberty for all. 

 

That's how our system was designed to self-correct. It was never designed to allow or tolerate fast corrections. Fast corrections often lead to violence, upheaval, and strife -- things the framers knew to be dangerous to the stability of the country and government itself. We have seen missteps, no question, but the overall arc of history in this country bends towards justice... which is proof the system is working. 

 

So why then do you want to line up beside people who are using this issue to advocate tearing the whole system down and replacing it with models we know do not promote equality for all? 


I completely agree with what you said in regards to the overall arc of progress. But that isn’t what Rob said. Look at his sentence.


He’s not saying we were in the process of emerging. He said we emerged.

 

For someone as careful with words as he is, that is very telling to me. That’s why I’d like a clarification.

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1 minute ago, Capco said:

The fact that I don’t get pulled over multiple times a year simply because of the color of my skin has nothing to do with my unique life circumstances.

 

The reasons people get pulled over are varied. How that translates into "real priviledge" for each and every member of one group and "oppression" for each and every member of another group in regard to opportunities for advancement/betterment requires some real intellectual gymnastics.

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26 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

1. Federally insured home loans.

 

My grandparents on both sides were able to buy houses in the 1960's with low interest, federally subsidized mortgages in "good" neighborhoods. They bought those houses for around $15,000, and passed them down to us when the combined value was about $500,000.

 

Black people were not afforded access to low interest, federally subsidized mortgages from the 1940's through the 1990's, and those who could get mortgages paid much higher interest rates and were redlined into only certain neighborhoods . The total wealth from the equity of those homes that white working and middle class families were able to pass on amounts to billions of dollars. This white privilege is one of several reasons there is an enormous wealth gap.

 

2. Property Taxes

 

For black homeowners, on average they pay far higher property taxes in cities than white homeowners in white neighborhoods. Still exists in most big cities today. So not only are black people more likely to get stuck with higher interest rates than white people of the same income, but will pay a higher property tax than their white counterparts. 

 

The "rational" reason city and county politicians throughout the country decided to over tax black people and under tax white people was this idea, black people can't flee the city, and they want to keep white people from fleeing the city... 

 

I'll just leave these two.

 

#1.  That may be historically correct but that is no longer a practice, right so it's a non-issue.  It's self correcting now? The CRA put into place in the late '70's requires banks to lend throughout their communities and in lower income neighborhoods (not by race but income based).   https://www.federalreserve.gov/consumerscommunities/cra_about.htm

 

#2.  Can't speak for all cities but believe it or not the city of Chicago has lower property tax rates than most of the surrounding burbs.  Also Rahm Emmanuel when Mayor in 2015 approved a city property tax increase but no increase for homes valued under $250K.  https://news.wttw.com/2015/09/22/emanuels-budget-includes-property-tax-hike-ride-sharing-fees

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7 minutes ago, Capco said:


The fact that I don’t get pulled over multiple times a year simply because of the color of my skin has nothing to do with my unique life circumstances.

 

I used to get pulled over multiple times a year, and I'm an olive-skinned Italian. Am I supposed to believe there were pulling me over for skin color and not because I was a horrible effin' driver? :lol:

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9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

The reasons people get pulled over are varied. How that translates into "real priviledge" for each and every member of one group and "oppression" for each and every member of another group in regard to opportunities for advancement/betterment requires some real intellectual gymnastics.

 

7 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I used to get pulled over multiple times a year, and I'm an olive-skinned Italian. Am I supposed to believe there were pulling me over for skin color and not because I was a horrible effin' driver? :lol:


Some context for you gentlemen.

 

https://www.wmbfnews.com/2020/06/02/myrtle-beach-homeowner-appliance-technician-share-eye-opening-discussion-about-racism/

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2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

Makes as much sense as most of your posts....

 

It was a technical difficulty.  I kept copying the link on my phone but it wouldn't paste. 

 

Easy there.  

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7 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

#1.  That may be historically correct but that is no longer a practice, right so it's a non-issue.  It's self correcting now? The CRA put into place in the late '70's requires banks to lend throughout their communities and in lower income neighborhoods (not by race but income based).   https://www.federalreserve.gov/consumerscommunities/cra_about.htm

 

#2.  Can't speak for all cities but believe it or not the city of Chicago has lower property tax rates than most of the surrounding burbs.  Also Rahm Emmanuel when Mayor in 2015 approved a city property tax increase but no increase for homes valued under $250K.  https://news.wttw.com/2015/09/22/emanuels-budget-includes-property-tax-hike-ride-sharing-fees

 

The effect of the historical practice is still massive today for a number of reasons. And property taxes in Chicago are still highly regressive, with people on the South and West sides paying taxes way over assessed compared to homeowners on the Northside and corporations. Btw, property taxes are collected by Cook County, not the city of Chicago. https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-tax-divide-investigation-20180425-storygallery.html

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20 minutes ago, Capco said:


The fact that I don’t get pulled over multiple times a year simply because of the color of my skin has nothing to do with my unique life circumstances.

 


I

 

 

There are probable cause laws and have been for years.  If this is still an issue people can take it up in court.  I find it hard to believe this is a widespread problem in 2020. 

 

True story....

 

A guy who worked with me (black) called me one day and said he needed 3 days off.   He went to court for a long overdue matter that he ignored and the court sentenced him to 3 days in jail.  He went on to say he was pulled over because he was black in a certain town that is mostly white.  When I asked him to elaborate he said the cop came to his window and pulled him over because he ran the license plate and an outstanding warrant came up.  I said sorry but it sounds to me like he had a good reason to pull you over.  He then said he was sure the cop only ran his plate because he was black.  I explained to him that police cars have devices that scan plates.  He said he still thinks it was because he was black.  The problem is his attitude, not the cops in this instance. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The effect of the historical practice is still massive today for a number of reasons. And property taxes in Chicago are still highly regressive, with people on the South and West sides paying taxes way over assessed compared to homeowners on the Northside and corporations. Btw, property taxes are collected by Cook County, not the city of Chicago. https://www.chicagotribune.com/investigations/ct-tax-divide-investigation-20180425-storygallery.html

 

And why not move out of the cities?

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

1. Federally insured home loans.

 

My grandparents on both sides were able to buy houses in the 1960's with low interest, federally subsidized mortgages in "good" neighborhoods. They bought those houses for around $15,000, and passed them down to us when the combined value was about $500,000.

 

Black people were not afforded access to low interest, federally subsidized mortgages from the 1940's through the 1990's, and those who could get mortgages paid much higher interest rates and were redlined into only certain neighborhoods . The total wealth from the equity of those homes that white working and middle class families were able to pass on amounts to billions of dollars. This white privilege is one of several reasons there is an enormous wealth gap.

 

2. Property Taxes

 

For black homeowners, on average they pay far higher property taxes in cities than white homeowners in white neighborhoods. Still exists in most big cities today. So not only are black people more likely to get stuck with higher interest rates than white people of the same income, but will pay a higher property tax than their white counterparts. 

 

The "rational" reason city and county politicians throughout the country decided to over tax black people and under tax white people was this idea, black people can't flee the city, and they want to keep white people from fleeing the city... 

 

I'll just leave these two.

 

You'll leave these two because they're all you could come up with and they're both bunk.

 

The first one you have to go back 60 years, the other is race neutral. Cities tend to have higher property taxes irrespective of color. Blacks can move into the suburbs just as easily as whites can. Most of those who are too poor to move to the suburbs (which are typically cheaper than all but the worst parts of the city) are usually on public assistance and aren't paying property taxes at all.

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