Covid 19 vs Trump

[SoCal Deek]

30 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What has any of that to do Covid Donnie's lies about the seriousness of the Covid-19 pandemic?

The pandemic is over dude. You can come out of your foxhole. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

50 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

What has any of that to do Covid Donnie's lies about the seriousness of the Covid-19 pandemic?

My assumption is that if you take the time to consider the government's reaction to the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic, and feel it is reasonable to make derogatory comments about folks who disagree with you, then it would seem reasonable that you would consider the totality of the response. 

 

I consider the big picture on most issues, especially as it relates to the modeling of appropriate behavior as defined by those in charge.  It seems to me there is a major disconnect in the approach to addressing the 'seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic' when those in charge flex legislative authority on hair dressers/barber shops/plumbers/swimming pool repair firms/attorneys/title companies/school teachers/movie theaters/gyms and other industries, yet full-throatedly support and often participate in outdoor gatherings/protests with thousands of people converging on one spot at a designated point in time.  

 

I'm guessing you don't see that disconnect, or don't see it as a disconnect at all.  It bothers me because based on what our political leaders are saying, maybe:

 

1. They believe COVID-19 is much more transmittable in St. Paul the Apostle Church parking lot during a socail-distanced prayer-in than it would be in Times Square with 22,000 people milling about; or
2. They encouraged the protests with an eye toward some sort of social engineering to cull out the weakest of the herd and their extended families, because for several months the message was 'be out and about and you or someone you know dies', but then suddenly it wasn't.
3. They don't think it's as serious as they originally claimed, but that doesn't make sense because they keep saying it's a life or death issue;

I just wondered how you saw it, but since you didn't see it, I humbly withdraw the question to avoid putting you on the spot.  

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

47 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

The pandemic is over dude. You can come out of your foxhole. 

 

....secure the lid.......

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

The pandemic is over dude. You can come out of your foxhole. 

 

In what alternative universe?

[Gene Frenkle]

3 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

In what alternative universe?

 

In infinite alternate universes.

 

Alternate, being the key term, of course.

[SoTier]

Just now, Gene Frenkle said:

 

In infinite alternate universes.

 

None of which even remotely resemble the one in which the United States of America exists in 2020.

[Gene Frenkle]

Just now, SoTier said:

 

None of which even remotely resemble the one in which the United States of America exists in 2020.

 

Yup

[SoTier]

July 7, 2020 - US sets single day record of 55,274 new cases of Covid-19 while Covid Donnie claims "we're in a good place" in regards to the pandemic.

[Reality Check]

 

[Gene Frenkle]

5 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

 

 

 

[Koko78]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

July 7, 2020 - US sets single day record of 55,274 new cases of Covid-19 while Covid Donnie claims "we're in a good place" in regards to the pandemic.

 

Please explain how this "record" matters, in light of the death rate being so low...

[SoTier]

July 9, 2020 -- the positivity rate for coronavirus in NY over the last 7 days has fallen to 1.13% while the positivity rate in Arizona for the same period is 26.81%, in Florida 19.06, and in Texas 15.59.

 

Multiple states report record deaths and coronavirus hospitalizations. 

 

Trump continues to claim that the rising coronavirus cases are because of increased testing despite the fact that the number of positive case are rising faster than the rising number of tests.  

 

Trump -- "We did everything right."  "We saved millions of lives."

 

[Big Blitz]

3 minutes ago, SoTier said:

July 9, 2020 -- the positivity rate for coronavirus in NY over the last 7 days has fallen to 1.13% while the positivity rate in Arizona for the same period is 26.81%, in Florida 19.06, and in Texas 15.59.

 

Multiple states report record deaths and coronavirus hospitalizations. 

 

Trump continues to claim that the rising coronavirus cases are because of increased testing despite the fact that the number of positive case are rising faster than the rising number of tests.  

 

Trump -- "We did everything right."  "We saved millions of lives."

 

 

 

You have to be the worst kind of partisan to not understand that the President has near ZERO power in a pandemic.  

 

The States have to make the decisions and go to the Feds when help (ppe production, etc) is needed.  

 

The Task Force advises.  It was formed in January.  Every decision is made by the States using its guidelines.  

 

If the President were to do the things Team Apocalypse wants him to do the Executive Branch will have assumed powers I don't want to see it come close to having.  

 

It isnt Trump v Covid.  It's the States.

 

 

So what would you have wanted Trump to do?  I'm curious what new powers you are willing to give him.  

[RiotAct]

I often do the thought experiment where theoretically Trump issues a strict stay-at-home order nationwide for 3 weeks back in mid March, then (sanctimoniously, like Cuomo) tells everyone to wear a mask if they UGH ABSOLUTELY HAAAAAAVE TO go out in public.  I’m sure everyone who is constantly reminding us how poor of a job he’s doing would have happily went along with his edicts... right?  RIGHT???

[dpberr]

The scary thing is as poorly as the federal and state government has handled the response to this virus, can you see a President HR Clinton doing anything uniquely different besides possibly a lot less tweeting that would have presented a better outcome today?

 

Do you still get all the same poor decisions in that alternate 2020? Is government just incompetent, no matter whos at the podium?

 

My fear is that we've reached a level of incompetency where there's no hope for a vaccine. We, as in the human race, no longer possess the chops to get it done, no matter the money we throw at it. 

 

 

[Cinga]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

July 9, 2020 -- the positivity rate for coronavirus in NY over the last 7 days has fallen to 1.13% while the positivity rate in Arizona for the same period is 26.81%, in Florida 19.06, and in Texas 15.59.

 

Multiple states report record deaths and coronavirus hospitalizations. 

 

Trump continues to claim that the rising coronavirus cases are because of increased testing despite the fact that the number of positive case are rising faster than the rising number of tests.  

 

Trump -- "We did everything right."  "We saved millions of lives."

 

 

Let's not let facts get in the way of hyperbole though. Notice this graph shows a seasonal baseline that includes Pneumonia and the flu along with Covid. Alas, it must suck seeing we are back to a normal baseline for deaths of these three COMBINED!

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

[Gene Frenkle]

Just now, dpberr said:

My fear is that we've reached a level of incompetency where there's no hope for a vaccine. We, as in the human race, no longer possess the chops to get it done, no matter the money we throw at it.

 

Don't worry, the liberal egghead scientists will bail us out. Given the technology and computing power available today, we'll manufacture a vaccine faster than at any time in the past. It's a matter of time.

[KD in CA]

Yes, I'm sure all the idiots here and their lefty heroes in Washington who are blaming Trump would have lined right up to praise him if he'd ordered a full lock down in late January, canceled the Super Bowl, etc.

 

[Warcodered]

3 hours ago, RiotAct said:

I often do the thought experiment where theoretically Trump issues a strict stay-at-home order nationwide for 3 weeks back in mid March, then (sanctimoniously, like Cuomo) tells everyone to wear a mask if they UGH ABSOLUTELY HAAAAAAVE TO go out in public.  I’m sure everyone who is constantly reminding us how poor of a job he’s doing would have happily went along with his edicts... right?  RIGHT???

My only issue would be that a politician I don't agree with would be more likely to get reelected but I'd swallow that bitter pill because he actually did the right thing and not the easy thing. Let's not forget he wouldn't of just been saying it himself all his experts that he's been contradicting in our timeline would be there supporting him.

 

3 hours ago, dpberr said:

The scary thing is as poorly as the federal and state government has handled the response to this virus, can you see a President HR Clinton doing anything uniquely different besides possibly a lot less tweeting that would have presented a better outcome today?

 

Do you still get all the same poor decisions in that alternate 2020? Is government just incompetent, no matter whos at the podium?

 

My fear is that we've reached a level of incompetency where there's no hope for a vaccine. We, as in the human race, no longer possess the chops to get it done, no matter the money we throw at it. 

 

 

So are you saying our government is fundamentally broken in such a way that it can't deal with a crisis such as this like so many other countries have?

[Kemp]

Trump vs. Covid?

 

Covid scores a knockout in the 1st round.

[Reality Check]

8 minutes ago, Kemp said:

Trump vs. Covid?

 

Covid scores a knockout in the 1st round.

 

Your friends the Communist Chinese enjoy your support...

 

Good luck...

 

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Kemp said:

Trump vs. Covid?

 

Covid scores a knockout in the 1st round.

 

The ironic thing is that doing the right thing -- not politicizing Covid-19, insisting that states only open when they met the metrics established by the various public health experts, and leading by example by simply wearing a mask, not encouraging mass indoor gatherings, etc -- would have made Trump appear to be a competent leader dealing with a great crisis rather than a meglomaniac who doesn't care how many Americans suffer so he can be re-elected.   That he was too stupid and too narcissistic to put anything above his own wants has demonstrated to the American people just how unfit for the office of POTUS Trump is.

 

 

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

55 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

The ironic thing is that doing the right thing -- not politicizing Covid-19, insisting that states only open when they met the metrics established by the various public health experts, and leading by example by simply wearing a mask, not encouraging mass indoor gatherings, etc -- would have made Trump appear to be a competent leader dealing with a great crisis rather than a meglomaniac who doesn't care how many Americans suffer so he can be re-elected.   That he was too stupid and too narcissistic to put anything above his own wants has demonstrated to the American people just how unfit for the office of POTUS Trump is.

 

 

 

 

 

You're not fooling anyone. No matter what Trump did or didn't do you and your ilk would be criticizing him incessantly. Youins give him no credit for anything. 

[Kemp]

45 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You're not fooling anyone. No matter what Trump did or didn't do you and your ilk would be criticizing him incessantly. Youins give him no credit for anything. 

 

Right!

 

Let's all give credit to Trump for not coming up with a national policy, not listening to the scientists, and pretending it was no big deal and is now magically gone.

 

Hip, hip, hooray!

[3rdnlng]

15 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Right!

 

Let's all give credit to Trump for not coming up with a national policy, not listening to the scientists, and pretending it was no big deal and is now magically gone.

 

Hip, hip, hooray!

You are a liar. In addition, you have no idea how government works.

[Kemp]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

You are a liar. In addition, you have no idea how government works.

 

His national policy is _____?

 

T or F Trump listened to Fauci and the other scientists.

T or F Trump said COVID was not a big deal.

T or F Trump said COVID would magically disappear.

Yeah. I'm the liar.

[RiotAct]

5 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

His national policy is _____?

 

T or F Trump listened to Fauci and the other scientists.

T or F Trump said COVID was not a big deal.

T or F Trump said COVID would magically disappear.

Yeah. I'm the liar.

Holy crap, this is my first time hearing about all that.  You don’t say???

[SoTier]

July 10, 2020 - US  sees record day of new Covid-19 cases with 66,627.   Trump says "US getting back on track".

 

July 11, 2020 - California announced that its prisons will release more than 8,000 prisoners to allow more room for social distancing.

 

[Chef Jim]

17 hours ago, Kemp said:

 

Right!

 

Let's all give credit to Trump for not coming up with a national policy, not listening to the scientists, and pretending it was no big deal and is now magically gone.

 

Hip, hip, hooray!

What does this have to do with his post?  Oh that’s right.....NOTHING!  Where was he giving credit to Trump for anything?  He was pointing out that had Trump done exactly as you’re all saying he should have done, due to your massive TDS, you would have given him ZERO credit. 

13 minutes ago, SoTier said:

July 11, 2020 - California announced that its prisons will release more than 8,000 prisoners to allow more room for social distancing.

 

What does this have to do with Trump?  You folks are insane.  

[Kemp]

9 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

What does this have to do with his post?  Oh that’s right.....NOTHING!  Where was he giving credit to Trump for anything?  He was pointing out that had Trump done exactly as you’re all saying he should have done, due to your massive TDS, you would have given him ZERO credit. 

What does this have to do with Trump?  You folks are insane.  

 

Glad to hear you have come around. Trump doesn't deserve any credit for his actions regarding the virus.

[Chef Jim]

7 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

Glad to hear you have come around. Trump doesn't deserve any credit for his actions regarding the virus.

 

Care to address my post?  Of course not. 

 

[Kemp]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Care to address my post?  Of course not. 

 

 

Saying some would criticize Trump no matter what he did says that he didn't do anything wrong.

 

So, do you think Trump has done a good job on the virus? You either do or you don't. 

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Kemp said:

 

Saying some would criticize Trump no matter what he did says that he didn't do anything wrong.

 

So, do you think Trump has done a good job on the virus? You either do or you don't. 

Really?  That’s what you take from that?  That a criticism of you all is a pat on the back of Trump. TDS is strong with this one. 
 

I think he’s done an ok job. He has left a lot of the decision making up to the states which is the way it should be. Should he have made masks mandatory?  Probably but because as Americans we are very tired of the government telling us what to do so there would still be lots of us going without.  Many states require that now. It’s been a requirement in CA for quite some time. Please tell me where CA stands with regard to the infection rate?  What does that tell you about mandatory face coverings?  

[Kemp]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Really?  That’s what you take from that?  That a criticism of you all is a pat on the back of Trump. TDS is strong with this one. 
 

I think he’s done an ok job. He has left a lot of the decision making up to the states which is the way it should be. Should he have made masks mandatory?  Probably but because as Americans we are very tired of the government telling us what to do so there would still be lots of us going without.  Many states require that now. It’s been a requirement in CA for quite some time. Please tell me where CA stands with regard to the infection rate?  What does that tell you about mandatory face coverings?  

 

When a country is faced with a pandemic, you sincerely believe there shouldn't be a national policy?

 

The only way that would make any sense at all would be if no one was allowed to cross state lines. You don't get that?

Why not take it a step further and say it should be left up to mayors? How about block captains?

I don't know of any other country that responded by dividing the responsibility among sub-divisions of their country. Every one of those leaders displayed more balls than our fearful leader.

Trump, in his typical fashion, didn't want to be held to any responsibilty for his duty. That's his M.O. Things go well, he takes credit. Things go badly, it's someone else's fault. Can you think of a single exception to this behavior pattern of Trump? Bet you can't.

[Chef Jim]

2 minutes ago, Kemp said:

 

When a country is faced with a pandemic, you sincerely believe there shouldn't be a national policy?

 

The only way that would make any sense at all would be if no one was allowed to cross state lines. You don't get that?

Why not take it a step further and say it should be left up to mayors? How about block captains?

I don't know of any other country that responded by dividing the responsibility among sub-divisions of their country. Every one of those leaders displayed more balls than our fearful leader.

Trump, in his typical fashion, didn't want to be held to any responsibilty for his duty. That's his M.O. Things go well, he takes credit. Things go badly, it's someone else's fault. Can you think of a single exception to this behavior pattern of Trump? Bet you can't.

Other countries don’t have the same governmental system we do. I value that very much!  
 

Everyone saying he should at least have implemented a mandatory mask requirement. I see you conveniently did not address my comment about CA and our spike even with a mandatory mask requirement for weeks. Why is that?  

[Kemp]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Other countries don’t have the same governmental system we do. I value that very much!  
 

Everyone saying he should at least have implemented a mandatory mask requirement. I see you conveniently did not address my comment about CA and our spike even with a mandatory mask requirement for weeks. Why is that?  

 

Because it's a pandemic. Even under the best of circumstances, they are tough to deal with. My guess is the problem in California is like most other places. Selfish people refusing to help protect each other. Trump bares a huge part of the blame for making wearing a mask political. Supporters of Trump are far more likely to not wear masks. This is plainly obvious at his rallies.

[BillsFanNC]

 

[I-town Bills]

20 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

The ironic thing is that doing the right thing -- not politicizing Covid-19, insisting that states only open when they met the metrics established by the various public health experts, and leading by example by simply wearing a mask, not encouraging mass indoor gatherings, etc -- would have made Trump appear to be a competent leader dealing with a great crisis rather than a meglomaniac who doesn't care how many Americans suffer so he can be re-elected.   That he was too stupid and too narcissistic to put anything above his own wants has demonstrated to the American people just how unfit for the office of POTUS Trump is.

 

 

 

 

 

All we had to do was follow the guidelines but politics took precedence. The only leadership was seizing supplies so Jared could sell them. Bigotry is a poor qualifier for leadership. Certain states are ordering children back to school but meanwhile you cannot mandate the wearing of masks. 

[3rdnlng]

21 minutes ago, I-town Bills said:

All we had to do was follow the guidelines but politics took precedence. The only leadership was seizing supplies so Jared could sell them. Bigotry is a poor qualifier for leadership. Certain states are ordering children back to school but meanwhile you cannot mandate the wearing of masks. 

Is there some contest going on for the Lefties to see who can fit the most lies in on a post? What ghost from posters past are you?

[WEATHER DOT COM]

The guidelines were not followed on a national level. It happened and to deny it makes you sound stupid.