“Cancel” / Knee-Jerk Culture of 2020 and beyond

[Unforgiven]

1 hour ago, 716er said:

 

    Perfect, well here we see the right is allowed to have differing opinions, it's called free thinking.

As much as the left constantly chants the right is a trump cult, the left is not allowed different opinions...

look at this board good cultists just repeat the same 1 or 2 cnn/dnc messages over and over and over.

[oldmanfan]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Good Lord. We are NOT talking about going back through US history.  We are talking about it NOW!  And how it's coming mostly from the LEFT.  Do you agree or disagree that it's not only much more prevalent now but it's much more dangerous?  People are afraid to speak their minds for fear of losing their livelihood.  If you don't understand that then I can't help you.  It's not ridiculous.  

 

So add 719er to the list of those that has no idea what the Cancel Culture is all about.  

No, that's what you want to talk about.  What I want to talk about is that this whole cancel culture crap is just that - crap.  It is an invented phrase by butt hurt right wingers right now in some twisted attempt to get votes.  This kind of political pressure has gone on forever.  It is not more prevalent now nor is it more dangerous.  You're being ridiculous.  

 

Was it dangerous to the the players of the NFL when Trump was crowing about boycotting the league when players -gasp!! - exercised their constitutional right to protest?  How many vendors and such stood to lose their jobs over that.  Or at Disney when they - gasp! - decided to have a weekend a year at Disney World for gays.  What about that boycott - how many employees could have lost their jobs over that?  I can go on forever with this stuff.  

 

You are just butt hurt because those on the left wing have seen that they too can play the same game the right wing has played, and that it might have some effect.  and it is a game to be sure.  The people if this country need to realize that we all have rights to our opinions.  As I said earlier, two sides of the same coin.  But now you want to crow that it's dangerous and such just because it's being flipped to affect people or opinions you like.

 

Get over yourself.  

[oldmanfan]

9 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

    Perfect, well here we see the right is allowed to have differing opinions, it's called free thinking.

As much as the left constantly chants the right is a trump cult, the left is not allowed different opinions...

look at this board good cultists just repeat the same 1 or 2 cnn/dnc messages over and over and over.

The phrase cancel culture is a trite little ditty designed to inflame people like you.  The real issue is that people from all political spectra need to realize folks have differing opinions and that’s OK.  

 

Let’s see how Sen Ernst is treated for speaking the truth.

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

No, that's what you want to talk about.  What I want to talk about is that this whole cancel culture crap is just that - crap.  It is an invented phrase by butt hurt right wingers right now in some twisted attempt to get votes.  This kind of political pressure has gone on forever.  It is not more prevalent now nor is it more dangerous.  You're being ridiculous.  

 

Was it dangerous to the the players of the NFL when Trump was crowing about boycotting the league when players -gasp!! - exercised their constitutional right to protest?  How many vendors and such stood to lose their jobs over that.  Or at Disney when they - gasp! - decided to have a weekend a year at Disney World for gays.  What about that boycott - how many employees could have lost their jobs over that?  I can go on forever with this stuff.  

 

You are just butt hurt because those on the left wing have seen that they too can play the same game the right wing has played, and that it might have some effect.  and it is a game to be sure.  The people if this country need to realize that we all have rights to our opinions.  As I said earlier, two sides of the same coin.  But now you want to crow that it's dangerous and such just because it's being flipped to affect people or opinions you like.

 

Get over yourself.  

 

Wow I sure riled you up. 

 

You're all over the ***** place.  It's crap, it's a myth, it worse that it used to be, it's left and it's right but it's mostly left. 

 

Is this your favorite album?  If not it should be.  

 

 

 

If you don't think it's dangerous (for both sides) and that people have lost their livelihood buy simply expressing their opinions then you're not paying attention.  

[716er]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

people have lost their livelihood buy simply expressing their opinions

 

Who are these "people" you speak of? 

[oldmanfan]

11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Wow I sure riled you up. 

 

You're all over the ***** place.  It's crap, it's a myth, it worse that it used to be, it's left and it's right but it's mostly left. 

 

Is this your favorite album?  If not it should be.  

 

 

 

If you don't think it's dangerous (for both sides) and that people have lost their livelihood buy simply expressing their opinions then you're not paying attention.  

it is all of the above.  It is crap because it is a myth, the myth being that "cancel culture" is some new phenomenon.  As I pointed out, since the beginning of this country political advocates have tried to bend other people and businesses to do what they want.   The right uses it to try to pressure for things they like, and vice versa.  

 

Companies that get political pressure put on them make choices how to respond.  Welcome to capitalism.  And if someone loses a job because they happened to voice an opinion their boss doesn't like, then they have choices.  They can sue the employer, they can get another job, they can open up a competing business that is more friendly to folks of their political bent.  And so on.  

 

 I'm not surprised you don't get this, and now want to say I'm all over the place.  It's your  MO when you don't have an argument against a stance someone else takes.

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Who are these "people" you speak of? 

 

According to you the French Fry lost it's livelihood.  

 

Gina Carano is the most recognized person to lose her livelihood when Disney let her go. 

 

And you can blame "At Will" employment for this.   

18 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

it is all of the above.  It is crap because it is a myth, the myth being that "cancel culture" is some new phenomenon.  As I pointed out, since the beginning of this country political advocates have tried to bend other people and businesses to do what they want.   The right uses it to try to pressure for things they like, and vice versa.  

 

Companies that get political pressure put on them make choices how to respond.  Welcome to capitalism.  And if someone loses a job because they happened to voice an opinion their boss doesn't like, then they have choices.  They can sue the employer, they can get another job, they can open up a competing business that is more friendly to folks of their political bent.  And so on.  

 

 I'm not surprised you don't get this, and now want to say I'm all over the place.  It's your  MO when you don't have an argument against a stance someone else takes.

 

All of the above.  🤣

 

And no they often cannot sue their employer.  See my point about "At Will" employement.  

 

They can get another job.  Why the ***** should they have to?  

 

I have a great argument.  You just can't quit figure out yours.  

 

I've made my point.  You've agreed with it but for some reason you're still arguing.   Pretzel Logic.  It's a great album Old Man. 

[oldmanfan]

22 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

According to you the French Fry lost it's livelihood.  

 

Gina Carano is the most recognized person to lose her livelihood when Disney let her go. 

 

And you can blame "At Will" employment for this.   

 

All of the above.  🤣

 

And no they often cannot sue their employer.  See my point about "At Will" employement.  

 

They can get another job.  Why the ***** should they have to?  

 

I have a great argument.  You just can't quit figure out yours.  

 

I've made my point.  You've agreed with it but for some reason you're still arguing.   Pretzel Logic.  It's a great album Old Man. 

I do not agree with your point whatsoever, because you have made no point.  

 

This cancel culture crap is just that.  Crap.  Allow people to express their views regardless of political persuasion, then debate them on the merits of their argument.  Quit threatening individuals, quit threatening companies with boycotts.  And quit pretending it is only one side of the political spectrum responsible.

[716er]

35 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Gina Carano is the most recognized person to lose her livelihood when Disney let her go. 

 

Didn't you say "people?"

35 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

I have a great argument.  

 

You don't have one Jimbo.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, 716er said:

 

Didn't you say "people?"

 

You don't have one Jimbo.

 

Yup I said people.  These are in Academia only.  Yes the list goes back a number of years but there are 100 of them from a year or so back.  

 

https://www.nas.org/storage/app/media/New Documents/academic-cancellations-updated-may-6-2021.pdf

 

I have an argument.  You just don't agree with it and are not have success arguing against it. 

Edited May 11, 2021 by Chef Jim

[716er]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Yup I said people.  These are in Academia only.  Yes the list goes back a number of years but there are 100 of them from a year or so back.  

 

https://www.nas.org/storage/app/media/New Documents/academic-cancellations-updated-may-6-2021.pdf

 

Wow did you see the professor in line 1? Widely condemned by a student petition! That's cancel culture?

 

pathetic.

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

 

Wow did you see the professor in line 1? Widely condemned by a student petition! That's cancel culture?

 

pathetic.

 

Wow...you read one of 170.  

 

Keep reading.

 

Pathetic. 

[716er]

Line 2 - Cancel culture because the professor was widely condemned by students on social media.

 

 

Line 3 - Condemned in a university statement

 

These poor people's livelihoods! 

 

 

Really what you have linked are 172 examples of consequences for one's owns actions from 1975 - present.

 

[BillStime]

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

We will indeed.  And yes, it is a horse.  The trainer of the Derby winner is now saying that him getting caught cheating in a horse race is cancel culture.  That is patently absurd.

 

 

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, 716er said:

Line 2 - Cancel culture because the professor was widely condemned by students on social media.

 

 

Line 3 - Condemned in a university statement

 

These poor people's livelihoods! 

 

 

Really what you have linked are 172 examples of consequences for one's owns actions from 1975 - present.

 

 

Did you not think that any of those listed lost their livelihood for having an opinion?  NOT ONE??  

[unbillievable]

1 hour ago, 716er said:

Line 2 - Cancel culture because the professor was widely condemned by students on social media.

 

 

Line 3 - Condemned in a university statement

 

These poor people's livelihoods! 

 

 

Really what you have linked are 172 examples of consequences for one's owns actions from 1975 - present.

 

 

[716er]

2 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

 

 

Another example of something that isn't cancel culture - keep going folks!

[unbillievable]

1 minute ago, 716er said:

 

Another example of something that isn't cancel culture - keep going folks!

She got fired.

 

[716er]

Just now, unbillievable said:

She got fired.

 

 

Seemed like a pretty ***** professor from the clip you shared. Why was she fired?

[unbillievable]

It's taken decades, but the right is FINALLY canceling teachers too.

All it took was a pandemic that allowed parents to see what their kids are being taught.

 

 

Just now, 716er said:

 

Seemed like a pretty ***** professor from the clip you shared. Why was she fired?

 

For being a ***** professor.

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Another example of something that isn't cancel culture - keep going folks!

 

Keep going?  You gave up on all the ones I presented from ONE profession.  And you cherry picked the ones that were not (and I agree with you) people losing their livelihood.  

[716er]

2 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

For being a ***** professor.

 

 

Indeed - hence my thanking you for another example of someone dealing with the consequences of their actions.

 

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Keep going?  You gave up on all the ones I presented from ONE profession.  And you cherry picked the ones that were not (and I agree with you) people losing their livelihood.  

 

Why don't you cherry pick the ones that are cancel culture since you used the link as an example of cancel culture. Not going to do your homework for you, Jim.

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

 

Indeed - hence my thanking you for another example of someone dealing with the consequences of their actions.

 

 

Why don't you cherry pick the ones that are cancel culture since you used the link as an example of cancel culture. Not going to do your homework for you, Jim.

 

I have a meeting in 10 minutes but I'll give you a few.  

 

7,8,9,12,22,30,31,36,39,45

 

All I have time for but you get my point.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I do not agree with your point whatsoever, because you have made no point.  

 

This cancel culture crap is just that.  Crap.  Allow people to express their views regardless of political persuasion, then debate them on the merits of their argument.  Quit threatening individuals, quit threatening companies with boycotts.  And quit pretending it is only one side of the political spectrum responsible.

This seems to be a hot button issue for you.  Other people feel differently, as is the way if the world. 
 

Let it be. 

[oldmanfan]

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This seems to be a hot button issue for you.  Other people feel differently, as is the way if the world. 
 

Let it be. 

 

Just now, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

This seems to be a hot button issue for you.  Other people feel differently, as is the way if the world. 
 

Let it be. 

This is a forum for discussion I thought.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

Just now, oldmanfan said:

 

This is a forum for discussion I thought.

It is, that’s why I responded. 

[BillStime]

On 5/10/2021 at 8:27 AM, All_Pro_Bills said:

I'm not talking about business boycotts or political influence.  That's an entirely different thing.  I'm talking about leftist attacks that are personalized and targeted to specific individuals.  Attacks that seek to ruin people's lives.  Coerce their employers to fire them.  Cause them tangible and personal harm.  Attacks driven by some belief that their "safe spaces" are being violated.  There's a big difference between the two.  

Its about exerting power over the livelihoods of people that dare to oppose their views.  People like the lone editor or writer at the NYT's or other papers that dare to write or publish an article or interview someone expressing views the mob doesn't approve.  Its about controlling what people can do, what people can say, and what people can think.  Its a dangerous threat to democracy and free expression.  And pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it disappear.  Frankly, I'm growing tired of anyone that continues to give these mentally weak and emotionally immature "victims" a pass.  My guess is they were spoiled little brats as children that mommy and daddy didn't have the ability or the stomach to discipline and now they've grown into spoiled adult brats.  

 

 

[B-Man]

 

LET’S CLEAR THIS UP:

 

Is exercising your constitutionally guaranteed right to religious practice equivalent to imposing your religious beliefs on others? 

 

Sharon Stonestreet of the Colson Center for Christian Worldview thinks not and she offers three solid reasons why.

 

https://www.hillfaith.org/culture/what-would-you-say-dont-impose-your-religious-beliefs-on-me/

 

 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

And I know for a fact Latinx pisses off a lot of Latinas and Latinos. They are very proud of their heritage and language.  Imagine if the shoe were on the other foot. 

[B-Man]

 

 

[B-Man]

The Message Is Loud And Clear: Comply Or Be Destroyed

How some can't deal with disagreement

 

 

Critical race theory isn’t really a theory. It’s an idea some crackpot academic cooked up to try and justify the fact that they and so many of the folks they knew growing up didn’t amount to as much as they believed they should have.

 

The real world is tough, but critical race theory gives black men and women an easy out. They don’t get ahead because the deck is stacked against them.

 

It never really gets around to addressing all the white men and women who never achieve their life’s ambition, but who cares about them, right?

 

Yet critical race theory is now being treated like it’s a scientific fact. No dissent with the theory is tolerated. Hell, it’s worse than anthropogenic global warming. While people may think you’re an awful person for not believing mankind is behind climate change—even if you’re someone who thinks it’s real, just not caused by man—at least no one is trying to get your life completely destroyed.

 

https://tomknighton.substack.com/p/the-message-is-loud-and-clear-comply

 

 

[716er]

So many righties trying to cancel critical race theory - just terrible

Edited May 20, 2021 by 716er

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, 716er said:

So many righties trying to cancel critical race theory - just terrible

I disagree with any theory that seeks to organize society based on race...it opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964...but that’s just me, though...what do I know...

Edited May 20, 2021 by JaCrispy

[B-Man]

WELL, GOOD: Texas Senate Committee Passes Ban On Teaching Critical Race Theory.

 

https://thetexan.news/critical-race-theory-ban-in-classrooms-approved-by-senate-committee-stripped-of-democrat-changes/

 

It did find one Democratic supporter in the Senate State Affairs Committee: Sen. Eddie Lucio Jr. (D-Brownsville).

 

“My heroes of the past have been all colors. White, black, brown,” Lucio said. “I truly hope to see when we are one American family.”

[B-Man]

 

[B-Man]

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

24 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

Yes, the armed forces is trying to recruit woke.  But the numbers just don't support the idea.  If you or somebody close to you served in the military think of the traits and characteristics that made them a good soldier.  Now think of woke values and attributes.  They are simply inconsistent.  Can you really imagine a combat situation supported by a squad of woke soldiers?  Is it possible to return fire in a non-offensive and "safe" manner?  The entire idea is absurd.    

Edited May 23, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Unforgiven]

On 5/20/2021 at 1:17 PM, B-Man said:

The Message Is Loud And Clear: Comply Or Be Destroyed

How some can't deal with disagreement

 

 

Critical race theory isn’t really a theory. It’s an idea some crackpot academic cooked up to try and justify the fact that they and so many of the folks they knew growing up didn’t amount to as much as they believed they should have.

 

The real world is tough, but critical race theory gives black men and women an easy out. They don’t get ahead because the deck is stacked against them.

 

It never really gets around to addressing all the white men and women who never achieve their life’s ambition, but who cares about them, right?

 

Yet critical race theory is now being treated like it’s a scientific fact. No dissent with the theory is tolerated. Hell, it’s worse than anthropogenic global warming. While people may think you’re an awful person for not believing mankind is behind climate change—even if you’re someone who thinks it’s real, just not caused by man—at least no one is trying to get your life completely destroyed.

 

https://tomknighton.substack.com/p/the-message-is-loud-and-clear-comply

 

 

Know what would be swell? If cancel culture shrunk and imploded on itself like a black hole.

[BillStime]