Kittle looking for a "Kittle Deal"

[Mr. WEO]

21 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Gronk is going to be a near unanimous selection to the HOF when he is eligible. Compared to what he got paid with the Pats he could have gotten more if he played for another team. And the same argument applies to Brady who is arguably the GOAT qb in the modern era. As I said before New England runs a different operation compared to other teams. 

Gronk got top dollar from NE.  That wasn’t a discount.  Brady is a different story.  

[machine gun kelly]

Weo, I checked Spotrac and if I read correctly, he made $15, $3, and then averaging around $9 mil the last four years.  I wouldn’t exactly call that low $ so spot on Weo.

[Buffalo03]

Come on, Beane. Trade them your flat screen tv and golf clubs for Kittle. Make this happen 

[NoSaint]

Just realized the article I got gronks numbers from had Olsen deeper in it.
 

Didn’t find Graham’s yet...

 

 

OLSEN VS. SAFETIES/LINEBACKERS, 2016-17
Targets: 117
Receptions: 69
Receiving yards: 975
TD-INT: 4-0
Passer rating: 97.4

OLSEN VS. CORNERBACKS, 2016-17
Targets: 39
Receptions: 20
Receiving yards: 199
TD-INT: 0-0
Passer rating: 66.2

[Doc]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Hooper is making 10.5.  Henry is getting the franchise amount (10.6).  Franchised next season, Kittles wouldn't make less than either of them are getting now.

 

Yeah, they'll probably offer him $11-12M/year, he'll reject it, and then they'll franchise him for around $10M for the year.  Where they end up is anyone's guess but I'm betting close to $15M/year.

[Chicken Boo]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

What’s not to understand?  You said that Kelce was better because he’s more proven m....based on four elite seasons played while Kittle has 2.   Brady, Brees, Rodgers, have 10+ elite seasons.  Mahomes has 2.  They’re more proven than Mahomes.....yet Mahomes is better than them and everyone else.

 

Gotcha.  

 

Yes.  A 24 year old Mahomes is better than a 42 year old Brady, a 41 year old Brees and a 36 year old Rodgers.  

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Gotcha.  

 

Yes.  A 24 year old Mahomes is better than a 42 year old Brady, a 41 year old Brees and a 36 year old Rodgers.  

And a 31 year old Russell Wilson.  And every QB in the world.  Yet he’s only been elite for 2, so other must be better because they’re more proven

 

[Chicken Boo]

11 minutes ago, NewEra said:

And a 31 year old Russell Wilson.  And every QB in the world.  Yet he’s only been elite for 2, so other must be better because they’re more proven

 

 

Kittle may be slightly more aggressive after the catch.  He does nothing else better than Travis Kelce.

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

And he was never paid like a top WR.

 

 

Bosa et al couldn't retire Mahomes and Kelce.

Mahomie would've shamed Brady as well,

Bosa would've snapped Brady in half, maybe if the rest of the 49er line were more mobile they would've helped Bosa out against Mahomes.

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Kittle may be slightly more aggressive after the catch.  He does nothing else better than Travis Kelce.

They both have a mean sexy dance that is hard to judge...maybe if they turned it into a lapper I could decide better

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

Yeah......because Kelce and Kittle are usually blocking on passing plays?.  Mahomes’ targets are also more adept at getting open.  

 

kittle is trying to reset the TE market. Just because Graham’s didn’t 5 years ago doesn’t mean that Kittle can’t.  Whether that happens or not is tbd.  My bet is him getting around 15 mill a year, which is approx 50% more than the current highest paid TE.  Sounds like resetting the market to me. Time will tell.  

 

When Austin Hooper gets 11... And kittle is a lot better than him... He will get a lot more. 15 seems about right, wouldn't surprise me if it was more.

12 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Kittle may be slightly more aggressive after the catch.  He does nothing else better than Travis Kelce.

He is a very good blocker, and also a tremendous athlete. 4 years younger than kelce too. Kittle prob signs for 4 years to set up another contract at age 30. My guess is 4/60ish 3 years of practical guarantees and he gets an extension after 3. 

[Mr. WEO]

37 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, they'll probably offer him $11-12M/year, he'll reject it, and then they'll franchise him for around $10M for the year.  Where they end up is anyone's guess but I'm betting close to $15M/year.

 
They can’t “franchise him for around 10”....because this year it’s 10.6 and will likely be 11 next year.   More than Hooper and Henry (unless Henry is franchised again). 
 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

37 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yeah, they'll probably offer him $11-12M/year, he'll reject it, and then they'll franchise him for around $10M for the year.  Where they end up is anyone's guess but I'm betting close to $15M/year.

 

Its a slap in the face at 11. He wants to be the McCaffrey of TEs, as he believes he is that much better than the others.

[Mr. WEO]

9 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

When Austin Hooper gets 11... And kittle is a lot better than him... He will get a lot more. 15 seems about right, wouldn't surprise me if it was more.

He is a very good blocker, and also a tremendous athlete. 4 years younger than kelce too. Kittle prob signs for 4 years to set up another contract at age 30. My guess is 4/60ish 3 years of practical guarantees and he gets an extension after 3. 

Hooper is getting 10.5.  Why would SF pay him 50% more than top dollar??  Who are they bidding against?  No one.  

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 They can’t “franchise him for around 10”....because this year it’s 10.6 and will likely be 11 next year.   More than Hooper and Henry (unless Henry is franchised again).

 

$10M or $10.6M doesn't make a difference.  It's not like he's going to care about the extra $600K.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

$10M or $10.6M doesn't make a difference.  It's not like he's going to care about the extra $600K.

He would be the highest paid of the 3

 

They can’t pay him 10, or 10.6.

Edited May 31, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

He would be the highest paid of the 3

 

I doubt he's looking to be the highest paid by $500K or so, especially when his production is 50% greater.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I doubt he's looking to be the highest paid by $500K or so, especially when his production is 50% greater.

 

 

They don't pay you based on number of yards or receptions relative to the next guy.  That should be obvious.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

They don't pay you based on number of yards or receptions relative to the next guy.  That should be obvious.

 

Tell that to Kittle and his agent.

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Tell that to Kittle and his agent.

 

 

lol I hardly have to--they can make any demand they want.  They can ask for 15 millions a year.....and then get handed the franchise tender.  And again the next year.  Or he can hold out and make nothing for as long as he likes.

 

Guess Darren Waller best be calling Kittle's agent too?

 

 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

lol I hardly have to--they can make any demand they want.  They can ask for 15 millions a year.....and then get handed the franchise tender.  And again the next year.  Or he can hold out and make nothing for as long as he likes.

 

Guess Darren Waller best be calling Kittle's agent too?

 

Or Kittle can hold out and watch that offense go down the dumper.  There are many ways to play it.

 

As for Waller, LOL!  Good one!

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Or Kittle can hold out and watch that offense go down the dumper.  There are many ways to play it.

 

As for Waller, LOL!  Good one!

 

 

maybe it will, maybe it won't---obviously SF has considered that.   .They aren't even talking to Kittle's agent at this point, that's how far apart they are.

 

Waller got them George Kittle stats, only getting 7.5 per!!

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

maybe it will, maybe it won't---obviously SF has considered that.   .They aren't even talking to Kittle's agent at this point, that's how far apart they are.

 

Waller got them George Kittle stats, only getting 7.5 per!!

 

Yup, like I said.  They're looking more than being paid just above the currently highest-paid guy (Henry).

 

As for Waller, he had a monster season.  He signed a contract extension mid-season so he sold himself short.  If he puts up another season like this past one, he'll be regretting that contract.  But that's how it goes sometimes.

[Mr. WEO]

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup, like I said.  They're looking more than being paid just above the currently highest-paid guy (Henry).

 

As for Waller, he had a monster season.  He signed a contract extension mid-season so he sold himself short.  If he puts up another season like this past one, he'll be regretting that contract.  But that's how it goes sometimes.

John Lynch might point out Kittle put up Waller numbers and say to his agent, “let’s see him do it for 3 seasons”.  

[Doc]

11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

John Lynch might point out Kittle put up Waller numbers and say to his agent, “let’s see him do it for 3 seasons”.  

 

This doesn't make any sense.  Waller has had 1 good season (and signed his extension after just 5 games).  Kittle has had 2 equal or better ones.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Kittle may be slightly more aggressive after the catch.  He does nothing else better than Travis Kelce.

And that may cap his career once injuries start to pile up.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

This doesn't make any sense.  Waller has had 1 good season (and signed his extension after just 5 games).  Kittle has had 2 equal or better ones.

 

Kittle has 2 good seasons.  I bet Lynch wants to see a 3rd. 

[Doc]

17 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Kittle has 2 good seasons.  I bet Lynch wants to see a 3rd. 

 

No reason to think he won't.  I mean, if he could rack up the stats with Nick Mullens at QB...

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Kittle may be slightly more aggressive after the catch.  He does nothing else better than Travis Kelce.

Well, that’s your opinion.  
 

I think Kittle is a better run blocker and “slightly more aggressive after the catch” is an understatement.  Kelce is great after the catch, but not nearly as aggressive (which was your choice of words).  Kittle is faster and incredible locker room guy.  Similar hands and route running.  Kelce has the best qb in the league while Kittle doesn’t even have a top 10 qb.  Doesn’t hurt that Kelce is playing with Tyreek Hill 

[Mr. WEO]

49 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No reason to think he won't.  I mean, if he could rack up the stats with Nick Mullens at QB...

 

 

Nick Mullens isn't the QB  anymore...signif drop-off in stats with Jimmy G (especially in YPG).  After 1 Kelce-like year, he's putting up Waller numbers and wants twice the price for it.

 

Lynch is gonna want to see more before he blows out the TE market on a guy under contract for another year...which is the smart thing to do.

[Teddy KGB]

Give me Kittle > Kelce all day everyday.   

[aristocrat]

11 hours ago, Doc said:

 

This doesn't make any sense.  Waller has had 1 good season (and signed his extension after just 5 games).  Kittle has had 2 equal or better ones.

 

waller came out of nowhere.  6th round pick , suspended a season and a half for peds. then puts up an insane season. gotta wonder if he found better peds?   i wonder why they didnt just wait and tag him?

[Doc]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Nick Mullens isn't the QB  anymore...signif drop-off in stats with Jimmy G (especially in YPG).  After 1 Kelce-like year, he's putting up Waller numbers and wants twice the price for it.

 

Lynch is gonna want to see more before he blows out the TE market on a guy under contract for another year...which is the smart thing to do.

 

There was a slight drop-off but no one believes that's because Mullens and Beathard are better QBs.  And the 75 YPG/1,200 YPS are still great numbers for a TE.

 

I'm sure Lynch would like to see as many seasons at his current rate as possible.  But I'm also sure Kittle and his agent don't care and want to strike while the iron is hot.  Waller doesn't factor into anything because he's not available and he made the mistake of signing an extension after just 5 games, when if he'd bet on himself and waited, he'd have made at least $10.6M/season. 

 

1 hour ago, aristocrat said:

waller came out of nowhere.  6th round pick , suspended a season and a half for peds. then puts up an insane season. gotta wonder if he found better peds?   i wonder why they didnt just wait and tag him?

 

The Raiders made out on the deal.  He's making just $7.5M/year versus the $10.6M (or more)/year he could have made had he waited or been tagged.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Hooper is getting 10.5.  Why would SF pay him 50% more than top dollar??  Who are they bidding against?  No one.  

 

Hooper is getting 10.5 to be a... top 10 TE.  Aaron Donald makes significantly more than any other DTs and signed his deal in 2018.  Mccaffreys new deal is more than zeke/gurley - but thats a case of all of them being all-pros.  

 

If he just gets like 11 or 12, then he'll get surpassed in like year 2 of his deal.  

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Nick Mullens isn't the QB  anymore...signif drop-off in stats with Jimmy G (especially in YPG).  After 1 Kelce-like year, he's putting up Waller numbers and wants twice the price for it.

 

Lynch is gonna want to see more before he blows out the TE market on a guy under contract for another year...which is the smart thing to do.

 

Yeah - you're playing with fire a bit though.  5th round pick who hasn't gotten paid, and hasn't gotten that signing bonus.  I don't think he'd hold out but he seems the type to vocally be upset.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

14 hours ago, Doc said:

 

This doesn't make any sense.  Waller has had 1 good season (and signed his extension after just 5 games).  Kittle has had 2 equal or better ones.

 

Kittle was 2nd team all-pro in 2018, and first team in 2019.  Over the last 2 seasons he's been considered by many to be among the top 2-3 players at his position.  He's also probably the best player on their offense.  He's 26 and hasn't really made any money yet.  

 

Waller has never been all-pro, and prior to 2019 had 18 catches and wasn't even the pro bowl alternate.  

[aristocrat]

42 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

There was a slight drop-off but no one believes that's because Mullens and Beathard are better QBs.  And the 75 YPG/1,200 YPS are still great numbers for a TE.

 

I'm sure Lynch would like to see as many seasons at his current rate as possible.  But I'm also sure Kittle and his agent don't care and want to strike while the iron is hot.  Waller doesn't factor into anything because he's not available and he made the mistake of signing an extension after just 5 games, when if he'd bet on himself and waited, he'd have made at least $10.6M/season. 

 

 

The Raiders made out on the deal.  He's making just $7.5M/year versus the $10.6M (or more)/year he could have made had he waited or been tagged.

 

if he continues the stats yes. but if he comes back to earth hes way overpaid. 

[billsfan89]

Kittle is a beast and deserves WR1 caliber money. He is a great run blocker and an elite level receiving threat, considering how hard it is to find an elite TE I think top TE"s should be paid WR1 or better money. I am talking about top 2-3 TE's guys like Kelce and Kittle who are game changers and can block. They add such a great dynamic to any offense. There is a huge gap between even a very good TE like Hooper and an elite TE like Kelce and Kittle. 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Doc said:

 

There was a slight drop-off but no one believes that's because Mullens and Beathard are better QBs.  And the 75 YPG/1,200 YPS are still great numbers for a TE.

 

I'm sure Lynch would like to see as many seasons at his current rate as possible.  But I'm also sure Kittle and his agent don't care and want to strike while the iron is hot.  Waller doesn't factor into anything because he's not available and he made the mistake of signing an extension after just 5 games, when if he'd bet on himself and waited, he'd have made at least $10.6M/season. 

 

 

The Raiders made out on the deal.  He's making just $7.5M/year versus the $10.6M (or more)/year he could have made had he waited or been tagged.

 

What was the dropoff due to then----Jimmy G being the better QB?  That makes no sense.

 

My point isn't that Lynch would want Waller.  It's that he sees what Waller is making for similar production last year with their respective starting QBs.  He's not going to want to pay double for that...or even 50% more for the currently highest paid TE.  Why would he?  

 

Kittle is under contract for another year.  No need to back up the truck this year.  What if his production continues to decline with Jimmy G?  

Edited June 1, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[Billl]

2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

Kittle is a beast and deserves WR1 caliber money. He is a great run blocker and an elite level receiving threat, considering how hard it is to find an elite TE I think top TE"s should be paid WR1 or better money. I am talking about top 2-3 TE's guys like Kelce and Kittle who are game changers and can block. They add such a great dynamic to any offense. There is a huge gap between even a very good TE like Hooper and an elite TE like Kelce and Kittle. 

Great TEs are possibly the rarest commodities in the NFL.  There were  literally 2 in the league last year.  Both were in the Super Bowl.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Give me Kittle > Kelce all day everyday.   

 

This here's a scorcher!

 

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

What was the dropoff due to then----Jimmy G being the better QB?  That makes no sense.

 

My point isn't that Lynch would want Waller.  It's that he sees what Waller is making for similar production last year with their respective starting QBs.  He's not going to want to pay double for that...or even 50% more for the currently highest paid TE.  Why would he?  

 

Kittle is under contract for another year.  No need to back up the truck this year.  What if his production continues to decline with Jimmy G?  

2 less games and 29 less targets.  The addition of Deebo and Sanders.  An improved and successful running game.  Many reasons.

 

Which is the exact reason why it doesn’t mean a dam thing that the talks between the two are so far off.  It doesn’t mean they aren’t interested or that they don’t think he deserves a massive raise. It’s because they don’t have to right now.  He will get paid.  Way more than 10.5 per