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Who Were The Leaks at One Bills Drive during 2013-2016?

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Just now, thebandit27 said:


FA was even more “leaky” than the draft this year FWIW.

 

Addison, Diggs, and the E. Sanders pursuits were out there really early. 
 

 

It really was a little uncharacteristic. That makes it harder to blame on the work environment too. At least with the draft you can default to “with people all over the place it’s tough to keep everything silent.” That wasn’t the case during FA.

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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

It really was a little uncharacteristic. That makes it harder to blame on the work environment too. At least with the draft you can default to “with people all over the place it’s tough to keep everything silent.” That wasn’t the case during FA.


Admittedly I’m reading the tea leaves here, but the sense that I got was that there’s an air of “we’re not the same old Bills. Players want to come here now. More than they want to go elsewhere. We don’t have to play coy to get our guys anymore.”

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12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s a pretty cool story!!
 

Teams certainly use the media to spread their narratives. I think that it’s almost happened so much at this point that it works the other way. If I see someone on NFL Network talking about a team’s interest in something in particular that’s because the team or agent wanted it out there. The stuff that you hear less is often closer to the truth at this point (is the Bills were taking Dugger if he was available). 

 

So much of it is just about how easy it is to communicate now. Someone says something to one of their buddies and he tells his 5 closest friends, who tell their 5 closest friends and so on. The key and most important thing in the chain is how close to the original source your information is. There are certain things that I can say that I've heard with a great deal of certainty. As an example, it is 100% fact that the Bills were trying to trade up for Mark Barron and got “stuck” with Stephon Gilmore. 

Should have been trying to trade up for Kuechly

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9 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Should have been trying to trade up for Kuechly

As it turned out the Bills ended up with a guy that became DPOY and were frustrated that they couldn’t land a guy who isn’t on a roster. Sometimes the best deals are the ones that you couldn’t get done.
 

That ended up being a really good draft that produced a few potential HOFers (Keuchley, Gilmore, Chandler Jones, Andrew Luck, Fletcher Cox, Bobby Wagner, Kelechi Osemele, and Russell Wilson). Imagine looking back if we ended up with Barron after giving up whatever the cost would have been? Gross

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46 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


Admittedly I’m reading the tea leaves here, but the sense that I got was that there’s an air of “we’re not the same old Bills. Players want to come here now. More than they want to go elsewhere. We don’t have to play coy to get our guys anymore.”

 

Like I said earlier, in my experience, when a decision is institutionally more open with information it is normally an organisational decision. That chimes with your feeling about a Bills front office feeling emboldened to be more open and transparent now because they are less self conscious. 

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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:


FA was even more “leaky” than the draft this year FWIW.

 

Addison, Diggs, and the E. Sanders pursuits were out there really early. 
 

 


How much of this really was leaked info?  We didn’t know the Bills were in talks for Diggs.  If you believe Beane, it happened very quickly.  There was nothing in the news to suggest that this info was leaked.

 

Same thing with Sanders.  He was the one who went to the press and said he was talking with Buffalo.  Again, there wasn’t anything they linked them together.

 

In regard to Addison, I feel that this was a lot of speculation and connecting the dots.  On paper he was the perfect addition, had a past with McDermott/Washington, and wasn’t going to command to crazy contract.  The move made sense and many beat reporters speculated Addison as a FA target.

 

The means I’m referring to are stories that make their way to the press BEFORE something happens.  Like the situations I described above

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It was either Ridgewaycinic, Scottlaw, or Gunnerbill, outside chance it’s Hapless... 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:


How much of this really was leaked info?  We didn’t know the Bills were in talks for Diggs.  If you believe Beane, it happened very quickly.  There was nothing in the news to suggest that this info was leaked.

 

Same thing with Sanders.  He was the one who went to the press and said he was talking with Buffalo.  Again, there wasn’t anything they linked them together.

 

In regard to Addison, I feel that this was a lot of speculation and connecting the dots.  On paper he was the perfect addition, had a past with McDermott/Washington, and wasn’t going to command to crazy contract.  The move made sense and many beat reporters speculated Addison as a FA target.

 

The means I’m referring to are stories that make their way to the press BEFORE something happens.  Like the situations I described above

I know that both Bandit and I (and others here) heard some things this year that were true that weren’t being reported. I’m referring mostly to the draft though. The Bills tried to trade up for Devin Duvernay. The Bills were taking Dugger if he was available. Those are real “leaks” that in the past few years wouldn’t have gotten as widespread as they were. Both of those things are true. 
 

I didn’t hear much in FA outside of the stuff you are mentioning. That was as much connecting dots though as info. That doesn’t mean that people here weren’t hearing it though. If Bandit says that he was hearing that we should 100% believe it because it’s true. 

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54 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:


How much of this really was leaked info?  We didn’t know the Bills were in talks for Diggs.  If you believe Beane, it happened very quickly.  There was nothing in the news to suggest that this info was leaked.

 

Same thing with Sanders.  He was the one who went to the press and said he was talking with Buffalo.  Again, there wasn’t anything they linked them together.

 

In regard to Addison, I feel that this was a lot of speculation and connecting the dots.  On paper he was the perfect addition, had a past with McDermott/Washington, and wasn’t going to command to crazy contract.  The move made sense and many beat reporters speculated Addison as a FA target.

 

The means I’m referring to are stories that make their way to the press BEFORE something happens.  Like the situations I described above

 

The Diggs stuff wasn't leaked this spring so much but the fact that the Bills had enquired back before the trade deadline was out there. As it was that they had interest then in Sanders and in AJ Green.

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4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

As it turned out the Bills ended up with a guy that became DPOY and were frustrated that they couldn’t land a guy who isn’t on a roster. Sometimes the best deals are the ones that you couldn’t get done.
 

That ended up being a really good draft that produced a few potential HOFers (Keuchley, Gilmore, Chandler Jones, Andrew Luck, Fletcher Cox, Bobby Wagner, Kelechi Osemele, and Russell Wilson). Imagine looking back if we ended up with Barron after giving up whatever the cost would have been? Gross

Mark Barron🤮

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5 hours ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Should have been trying to trade up for Kuechly

Gilmore > Kuechly.

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13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Hmm. So I have been following the Bills since 2002 and they have basically always been leaky until McDermott arrived and as Kirby said this year around the draft a fair bit got out.  

 

The way it works is if I am the media relations guy I make it my job to know things. If I sense there is tension between Whaley and Marrone for example, I play both sides. There is a story out there from one of the old BN guys that when Marrone was having a spat with the media Berchtold played both sides of that too. Told the media Marrone was a jerk, told Marrone the media were #######s. That is the job. You have to be capable of being duplicitous. I did it for about 2 years in Government before I moved into policy and I know some ***** on people that was in the "to be deployed only if..." file. Media relations guys (if they are doing their job well) do a lot more than organise press conferences and make the tea. There shouldn't be a single story a reporter can uncover that you are not already totally aware of. 

 

What I got out of this is GunnerBill is capable of being [professionally] duplicitous.

 

 

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18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Hmm. So I have been following the Bills since 2002 and they have basically always been leaky until McDermott arrived and as Kirby said this year around the draft a fair bit got out.  

 

The way it works is if I am the media relations guy I make it my job to know things. If I sense there is tension between Whaley and Marrone for example, I play both sides. There is a story out there from one of the old BN guys that when Marrone was having a spat with the media Berchtold played both sides of that too. Told the media Marrone was a jerk, told Marrone the media were #######s. That is the job. You have to be capable of being duplicitous. I did it for about 2 years in Government before I moved into policy and I know some ***** on people that was in the "to be deployed only if..." file. Media relations guys (if they are doing their job well) do a lot more than organise press conferences and make the tea. There shouldn't be a single story a reporter can uncover that you are not already totally aware of. 

 

 

I've followed them since 1964 and I don't think they've always been leaky, not even since 2002. On and off, IMO, but not all the way through. There have been plenty of years when we found out quite a bit later about various problems like the fact that the players were into drag racing in the Fred Jackson Marcell Dareus years, which didn't come out till Dareus had an accident with a tree and if I remember correctly left the scene. That had been going on for at least a year or two, it came out.  It never came out that Sammy was out drinking every night his rookie year, till the last week or so.  Was Donahoe behind the firing of Wade Phillips? Had he told Ralph he wanted to hire his own coach? Or did Ralph really fire him because Wade refused to fire his special teams coach? I don't think that's ever been clear, though it's a pretty big deal. Chris Berman obviously had a pipeline into the Bills front office for a while, and it was just as obvious that with the new front office one year, his pipeline had disappeared. Joe B's pre-draft prediction the year they traded up for Sammy was outright uncanny, and he was never all that close again afterwards. 

 

Agreed that around the draft this year a fair bit got out, though some of that may just be that these days everyone knows about your visits and the Bills frequent visits to Lenoir-Rhyne weren't difficult to understand. But there were a few apparent leaks beyond that. Hard to tell what's a leak and what's a rumor sometimes these days.

 

Obviously you know far more about what the job entails than I do. Interesting stuff about Berchtold playing both sides. 

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8 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

What I got out of this is GunnerBill is capable of being [professionally] duplicitous.

 

 

 

For sure. I have been out of that game for 12 years and I don't miss it at all. 

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21 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

It was either Ridgewaycinic, Scottlaw, or Gunnerbill, outside chance it’s Hapless... 

 

 

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Connecting the dots, are we?...😁

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On 5/20/2020 at 6:35 PM, The Wiz said:

Media man Russ is my guess. Anything that guy could do to put Buffalo on the news had his hands all over it. 

 

 

That's what she said too

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