Bears decline 5th year option on Trubisky

[JaCrispy]

Dude will be outta the league in two years imo...

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

 

This fear is legitimate, and the Bortles/Trubisky path is a real possibility.

 

Anyone who doesn’t admit that this is at least POSSIBLE is, in my estimation, not being honest with themselves.

 

I think that all of the 2018 first rounders except for Jackson, who improved spectacularly from his rookie year, and Rosen, who is already considered a bust, are in their "prove it" seasons.  Mayfield regressed last season.  Allen improved significantly from his rookie season but his passing and decision making remain relatively poor compared to bonafide franchise QBs.  Darnold missed time with illness, but he's about equal with Allen.  His passing is better but his decision making is worse.  Time for all three to show their stuff.

[stuvian]

20 hours ago, Penfield45 said:

my biggest fear for Allen is a Tribusky/Bortles like path 

 

Tribusky's numbers are so similar to Allen's in his 2nd year. Bears fans were ecastatic about entering their 3rd year with him just like we are with Allen, and he crashed and burned. 

 

Bortles went to the AFC champ game and now can't even find a job

my big fear with Allen is that he just starts coming into his own as a passer and does one more short yardage dive that breaks his neck

Edited May 3, 2020 by stuvian

[TwistofFate]

On 5/2/2020 at 4:42 PM, Bangarang said:

 
Also, Foles is going to eclipse Josh McCown for being the ultimate journeyman.

 

He's got a ways to go to beat out Fitzpatrick and Vinny "the eternal one" Testaverde to earn that title.

[Malazan]

Well, he'll either win the QB competition and seize the job in which case they'll be fine with a new contract (the 5th year pays a fair bit anyway) or he won't and they can move on..

 

I suspect the latter outcome is more likely. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

7 hours ago, SoTier said:

When a team gives up on a QB they drafted in the first round, that QB is finished as a starter.  Teams simply won't give him a real shot.  Minnesota  gave up on Bridgewater because his severe knee injury appeared to very likely have ended his career, so he's a very special case.  

 

Brigewater was also selected with the 32nd pick overall. Similar to Jackson. Big difference in not investing a top 10 pick in a guy. 

[Chicken Boo]

22 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

It is a shocker.  It’s not that expensive to keep a QB for a 5th year.  Their declining of the option essentially means that Mitch is finished in Chicago

Everyone who hates Allen has cited the Bears and Jags as examples.  I think a big difference though is that the Bills actually upgraded Allen’s weapon in year 3.  Not the case for a Chicago.  

 

Not sure what more a QB could ask for with Allen Robinson, Anthony Miller, Taylor Gabriel and Tarik Cohen at their disposal?

[Zerovoltz]

.... Let's do this again.....

 

going into the 2017 NFL Draft, The Pegulas had already fired the coach and had hired McDermott about 3 months before the draft.  It was already being speculated that Whaley would be on the way out as well.  He was kept on ONLY to assist with (NOT RUN) the draft.  McDermott was clear about the fact that he was NOT taking a QB in the 2017 Draft without the new GM (who wouldn't be on board until later) to help evaluate and make that choice with all parties on the same page.  McD being a defensive minded coach, also perhaps didn't have the background to confidently make that choice in 2017 on his own.

 

********THE BILLS WERE NOT GOING TO DRAFT A QB IN 2017 NO MATTER WHAT**********  Not Trubisky, Not Watson, and Not Mahomes.

 

They went into that draft OUT of the QB Market.  They had been discussing the trade with KC FOR WEEKS.  On a side note....considering the Bills were OUT of that QB market and knew they wouldn't be in it in 2017 at all....the trade and pics they made with KC should be graded as A+.  People crap on the Bills for "missing" on Mahomes.  The circumstances that existed in the Bills front office and leadership dictated that the wouldn't be taking a QB.  If you want to blame anyone in Buffalo for "passing" on Mahomes...then you have to blame the Pegulas for their unorthodox handling of their FO reshuffling in the 2017 offseason, leaving them with a new coach and a lame duck GM, meaning they weren't set up to evaluate and take a QB in the 2017 Draft.  Given the circumstances....McD could NOT have possibly played it better than he did. 

 

....2nd....I have never heard that Pegula liked Trubisky...where did you read or see that?  THIS is the first thread I've ever read that.

 

...3rd....The Chiefs did NOT want Watson.  lots of loose lipped folks in the KC organization let it out that Watson did not impress on the white board in meetings with Ried.  The move up was for Mahomes, and only for Mahomes.

 

Furthermore, Bill O'Brien did not want Watson either...that move was orchestrated by then Texans GM Rick Smith (and further rumored to have been directed by the owner to make it happen)  Lots of puplished whisperings that O'Brien loved Mahomes, and ALSO didn't think Watson performed well on the white board.

 

...and last....Blake Bortles has been the backup for the Rams since his release from JAX...he isn't out of football.

[JetsFan20]

Remember Trubisky was #2 in ESPNs QBR in 2018.  Think twice before citing these arbitrary stats like they are scripture (PFF is no different)

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

********THE BILLS WERE NOT GOING TO DRAFT A QB IN 2017 NO MATTER WHAT**********  Not Trubisky, Not Watson, and Not Mahomes.

 

100% correct. I think most rational Bills fans understand this. 

[Billl]

9 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Dude will be outta the league in two years imo...

He threw 24 TDs and 12 INTs in 2018.  He’s plenty good enough to be a backup for a long, long time.  I could see him become a decent player if he went somewhere like KC or New Orleans and had great coaching.  I don’t think he’s getting that in Chicago.

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, stuvian said:

my big fear with Allen is that he just starts coming into his own as a passer and does one more short yardage dive that breaks his neck

 

I think you fear half of what you say.

[JetsFan20]

2 hours ago, Billl said:

He threw 24 TDs and 12 INTs in 2018.  He’s plenty good enough to be a backup for a long, long time.  I could see him become a decent player if he went somewhere like KC or New Orleans and had great coaching.  I don’t think he’s getting that in Chicago.

Idk-He’s talented (picked #2 overall for a reason), but his coach by all accounts can’t stand him and insinuated that he doesn’t work hard enough. Guys like that don’t profile as great backup QB. 

 

The backup QB job is as much about about helping the starter prepare as it is about actually playing in games. 

There is a reason why teams arent lining up to sign Cam Newton as their backup right now. 

 

[Chicken Boo]

10 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

.... Let's do this again.....

 

going into the 2017 NFL Draft, The Pegulas had already fired the coach and had hired McDermott about 3 months before the draft.  It was already being speculated that Whaley would be on the way out as well.  He was kept on ONLY to assist with (NOT RUN) the draft.  McDermott was clear about the fact that he was NOT taking a QB in the 2017 Draft without the new GM (who wouldn't be on board until later) to help evaluate and make that choice with all parties on the same page.  McD being a defensive minded coach, also perhaps didn't have the background to confidently make that choice in 2017 on his own.

 

********THE BILLS WERE NOT GOING TO DRAFT A QB IN 2017 NO MATTER WHAT**********  Not Trubisky, Not Watson, and Not Mahomes.

 

They went into that draft OUT of the QB Market.  They had been discussing the trade with KC FOR WEEKS.  On a side note....considering the Bills were OUT of that QB market and knew they wouldn't be in it in 2017 at all....the trade and pics they made with KC should be graded as A+.  People crap on the Bills for "missing" on Mahomes.  The circumstances that existed in the Bills front office and leadership dictated that the wouldn't be taking a QB.  If you want to blame anyone in Buffalo for "passing" on Mahomes...then you have to blame the Pegulas for their unorthodox handling of their FO reshuffling in the 2017 offseason, leaving them with a new coach and a lame duck GM, meaning they weren't set up to evaluate and take a QB in the 2017 Draft.  Given the circumstances....McD could NOT have possibly played it better than he did. 

 

This doesn't make the decision, to not take a QB, any better.  It was a mistake, I don't care how fans attempt to rationalize it.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

The Trubisky jokes on the radio will be missed. 

[Phil The Thrill]

12 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Not sure what more a QB could ask for with Allen Robinson, Anthony Miller, Taylor Gabriel and Tarik Cohen at their disposal?

Glad your not my GM....because I can.  These are from from the best group in the NFL.  Robinson had a great year but he’s far from a #1 WR.  The rest of the guys are pretty average for their positions and before last year I’d put Robinson in the average category.

 

Chicago didn’t look to improve this group.  They didn’t bring in anyone new who could compete.    To pretend that this is a stellar group is unreasonable. 
 

I’m not making excuses for Trubisky but I’m just saying that the comparison between Allen and Trubisky is not completely equal.  Allen is getting a major upgrade at WR1 and RB2 in his third year.  Trubisky was not afforded this luxury

[FireChans]

12 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

.... Let's do this again.....

 

going into the 2017 NFL Draft, The Pegulas had already fired the coach and had hired McDermott about 3 months before the draft.  It was already being speculated that Whaley would be on the way out as well.  He was kept on ONLY to assist with (NOT RUN) the draft.  McDermott was clear about the fact that he was NOT taking a QB in the 2017 Draft without the new GM (who wouldn't be on board until later) to help evaluate and make that choice with all parties on the same page.  McD being a defensive minded coach, also perhaps didn't have the background to confidently make that choice in 2017 on his own.

 

********THE BILLS WERE NOT GOING TO DRAFT A QB IN 2017 NO MATTER WHAT**********  Not Trubisky, Not Watson, and Not Mahomes.

 

They went into that draft OUT of the QB Market.  They had been discussing the trade with KC FOR WEEKS.  On a side note....considering the Bills were OUT of that QB market and knew they wouldn't be in it in 2017 at all....the trade and pics they made with KC should be graded as A+.  People crap on the Bills for "missing" on Mahomes.  The circumstances that existed in the Bills front office and leadership dictated that the wouldn't be taking a QB.  If you want to blame anyone in Buffalo for "passing" on Mahomes...then you have to blame the Pegulas for their unorthodox handling of their FO reshuffling in the 2017 offseason, leaving them with a new coach and a lame duck GM, meaning they weren't set up to evaluate and take a QB in the 2017 Draft.  Given the circumstances....McD could NOT have possibly played it better than he did. 

 

....2nd....I have never heard that Pegula liked Trubisky...where did you read or see that?  THIS is the first thread I've ever read that.

 

...3rd....The Chiefs did NOT want Watson.  lots of loose lipped folks in the KC organization let it out that Watson did not impress on the white board in meetings with Ried.  The move up was for Mahomes, and only for Mahomes.

 

Furthermore, Bill O'Brien did not want Watson either...that move was orchestrated by then Texans GM Rick Smith (and further rumored to have been directed by the owner to make it happen)  Lots of puplished whisperings that O'Brien loved Mahomes, and ALSO didn't think Watson performed well on the white board.

 

...and last....Blake Bortles has been the backup for the Rams since his release from JAX...he isn't out of football.

Who made this decision?  Was this decision a bad one?

[GunnerBill]

36 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said:

Glad your not my GM....because I can.  These are from from the best group in the NFL.  Robinson had a great year but he’s far from a #1 WR.  The rest of the guys are pretty average for their positions and before last year I’d put Robinson in the average category.

 

Chicago didn’t look to improve this group.  They didn’t bring in anyone new who could compete.    To pretend that this is a stellar group is unreasonable. 
 

I’m not making excuses for Trubisky but I’m just saying that the comparison between Allen and Trubisky is not completely equal.  Allen is getting a major upgrade at WR1 and RB2 in his third year.  Trubisky was not afforded this luxury

 

Yea I'd call Robinson a 1/2 borderline type. He had one mega year with Jacksonville and then had a perfectly acceptable year last year but he isn't close to a Stefon Diggs. Gabriel is a souped up Isaiah McKenzie and Millar is kind of meh.

[GunnerBill]

12 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

.... Let's do this again.....

 

going into the 2017 NFL Draft, The Pegulas had already fired the coach and had hired McDermott about 3 months before the draft.  It was already being speculated that Whaley would be on the way out as well.  He was kept on ONLY to assist with (NOT RUN) the draft.  McDermott was clear about the fact that he was NOT taking a QB in the 2017 Draft without the new GM (who wouldn't be on board until later) to help evaluate and make that choice with all parties on the same page.  McD being a defensive minded coach, also perhaps didn't have the background to confidently make that choice in 2017 on his own.

 

********THE BILLS WERE NOT GOING TO DRAFT A QB IN 2017 NO MATTER WHAT**********  Not Trubisky, Not Watson, and Not Mahomes.

 

They went into that draft OUT of the QB Market.  They had been discussing the trade with KC FOR WEEKS.  On a side note....considering the Bills were OUT of that QB market and knew they wouldn't be in it in 2017 at all....the trade and pics they made with KC should be graded as A+.  People crap on the Bills for "missing" on Mahomes.  The circumstances that existed in the Bills front office and leadership dictated that the wouldn't be taking a QB.  If you want to blame anyone in Buffalo for "passing" on Mahomes...then you have to blame the Pegulas for their unorthodox handling of their FO reshuffling in the 2017 offseason, leaving them with a new coach and a lame duck GM, meaning they weren't set up to evaluate and take a QB in the 2017 Draft.  Given the circumstances....McD could NOT have possibly played it better than he did. 

 

....2nd....I have never heard that Pegula liked Trubisky...where did you read or see that?  THIS is the first thread I've ever read that.

 

...3rd....The Chiefs did NOT want Watson.  lots of loose lipped folks in the KC organization let it out that Watson did not impress on the white board in meetings with Ried.  The move up was for Mahomes, and only for Mahomes.

 

Furthermore, Bill O'Brien did not want Watson either...that move was orchestrated by then Texans GM Rick Smith (and further rumored to have been directed by the owner to make it happen)  Lots of puplished whisperings that O'Brien loved Mahomes, and ALSO didn't think Watson performed well on the white board.

 

...and last....Blake Bortles has been the backup for the Rams since his release from JAX...he isn't out of football.

 

So the Texans not wanting Watson thing is absolutely false and has been rubbished so many times it is untrue. John McClain who is the undisputed number 1 Texans beat reporter, and their HoF voter has ridiculed it countless times. Watson was #1 on the Texans board the whole time and they tried to trade up as high as #6 with the Jets to take him. The organisation was aligned and when they actually fell out over him BO'B and Smith it was over whether he should start week 1. BO'B, you know, they guy you claim never wanted him, wanted to start him week 1 and Smith was reluctant and talked him into starting Tom Savage. "The Texans never wanted Deshaun Watson" or "Bill O'Brien didn't smile after they drafted him so clearly didn't want him" is the sort of post-truth rubbish that gets posted somewhere on the internet and then takes on a life of its own and refuses to die even when reputable sources repeatedly say "it just isn't true." I don't care what you have read on the Chiefs message boards. It is wrong. Watson was the Texans #1 QB. He shouldn't have been, he should been #2 behind Mahomes, clearly. But he was their top guy the whole way through the process.

 

Oh and Blake Bortles is currently out of football. He was the LAR backup last year but he is currently a free agent.

[416BillsFan]

On 5/2/2020 at 8:04 PM, Coach Tuesday said:

They have NEVER had a real quarterback.  I mean maybe Sid Luckman 70 years ago.  In the modern era they’ve never had one.  It’s an incredible run unrivaled in any sport - I’m struggling to think of a second-place organization for longest-running tenure without a great player in a key position.  Maybe the Knicks and Center?  Ewing was very good but never got them over the hump.

 

Anyway, the Bears...

As bad as our QB situation has been at times, we've never had to debate if Jay Cutler or Rex Grossman was our best from the past 30 years.