TSW Mock Draft 3.0 - 4 Rounds - Complete!!!

[TPS]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

 

If he pans out, the Chargers made out like bandits in this draft

I like what happened, but the Browns got a top 3 pick too.  

[NewEra]

We still have a chance to make this quick!!

[Virgil]

4 minutes ago, TPS said:

I like what happened, but the Browns got a top 3 pick too.  

 

With Tua going at 2;  the Browns got, who some believe to be, the 2nd best player in this draft.  They are all about high profile guys.  It was a lot to give up, but fits them perfectly

 

or.....

 

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Virgil

[MAJBobby]

After trade discussions fell through the Jets have decided to make their pick.

 

With the 11th Pick in the 2020 NFL Draft the NY Jets Select:  Jedrick Wills, OT, Alabama.  The Las Vegas Raiders @Logic are on the clock.  

 

Thought about CeeDee Lamb and Jerry Jeudy here to get Darnold another weapon, Also looked at Edge as well.  However at the end of the day our QB cannot use those weapons while being on his back all the time.  We must get Darnold some protection if we ever want to know that we finally answered our Questions at QB.  

 

@Virgil

Edited April 16, 2020 by MAJBobby

[aristocrat]

Browns with denzel ward playing slot, greedy williams and Okudah back there? Lot of first round talent there.

[BuffaloHokie13]

10 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said:

All the colour coordination on the spreadsheet is proper fancy @BuffaloHokie13

If I'm going to look at something as much as I look at that sheet you'd best believe it's going to be pretty.

[TPS]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

After trade discussions fell through the Jets have decided to make their pick.

 

With the 11th Pick in the 2020 NFL Draft the NY Jets Select:  Jedrick Wills, OT, Alabama.  The Las Vegas Raiders @Logic are on the clock.  

 

Thought about CeeDee Lamb and Jerry Jeudy here to get Darnold another weapon, Also looked at Edge as well.  However at the end of the day our QB cannot use those weapons when being on his back all the time.  We must get Darnold some protection if we ever want to know that we finally answered our Questions at QB.  

 

@Virgil

Was interested to see what you would do since I had them in the last one. I took Jeudy because the 3 top OTs were gone and I wasn't sure the 4th (Thomas) was a LT. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, TPS said:

Was interested to see what you would do since I had them in the last one. I took Jeudy because the 3 top OTs were gone and I wasn't sure the 4th (Thomas) was a LT. 

Would have done the same, but I had the OT staring right at me.  I will admit thought I was selling the pick, which I would have rally liked to do because all my top options where still there and the pick that I almost had was not that much further away than were I was picking now, so I likely would have still been able to get a top OT, WR or Edge.  

[TPS]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

Would have done the same, but I had the OT staring right at me.  I will admit thought I was selling the pick, which I would have rally liked to do because all my top options where still there and the pick that I almost had was not that much further away than were I was picking now, so I likely would have still been able to get a top OT, WR or Edge.  

Yes, had we been able to trade, I would've tried to move back some and do same, though I do have one person who I think would be their #1 option in that trade back scenario...

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, TPS said:

Yes, had we been able to trade, I would've tried to move back some and do same, though I do have one person who I think would be their #1 option in that trade back scenario...

I will admit out of the AFCE the Jets are probably the team I have studied the least, they really bore me.  So I am glad I got them for this Mock, made me research them a bit more.  I knew their OL was Bad, I just didn't realize HOW BAD it actually is.

[Virgil]

14 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Browns with denzel ward playing slot, greedy williams and Okudah back there? Lot of first round talent there.

The only thing that concerns me is the division they play in. I’d think they’d want to get quicker in the box or go 3 safeties when playing against Lamar. 
 

Bengals don’t worry anyone. 
 

Steelers could be good to have those DB’s

[TPS]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

I will admit out of the AFCE the Jets are probably the team I have studied the least, they really bore me.  So I am glad I got them for this Mock, made me research them a bit more.  I knew their OL was Bad, I just didn't realize HOW BAD it actually is.

If they draft a LT, then move Fant to RT, and they really aren't that bad.  McGovern is actually a decent C, played at Missouri with Morse and Boehm, and their Guards are Ok.  One LT makes a big difference for them.

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Watkins101 said:

San Francisco is listening to offers on either the 13th and the 31st overall picks.

You want Barkley?  He'd tear it up in San Francisco. 

[NewEra]

24 minutes ago, TPS said:

Was interested to see what you would do since I had them in the last one. I took Jeudy because the 3 top OTs were gone and I wasn't sure the 4th (Thomas) was a LT. 

 

21 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Would have done the same, but I had the OT staring right at me.  I will admit thought I was selling the pick, which I would have rally liked to do because all my top options where still there and the pick that I almost had was not that much further away than were I was picking now, so I likely would have still been able to get a top OT, WR or Edge.  

You guys prefer Jeudy over Lamb huh?  
 

I have Lamb as clearly the best WR prospect.  I might go so far as taking a Ruggs over Jeudy because he adds an element you can’t teach.

[TPS]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

You guys prefer Jeudy over Lamb huh?  
 

I have Lamb as clearly the best WR prospect.  I might go so far as taking a Ruggs over Jeudy because he adds an element you can’t teach.

I called it a coin flip.  I went Jeudy because he is supposed to be the better route runner which I thought would suit Darnold better.  Ruggs was gone, but I think I would've still taken Jeudy.

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

You guys prefer Jeudy over Lamb huh?  
 

I have Lamb as clearly the best WR prospect.  I might go so far as taking a Ruggs over Jeudy because he adds an element you can’t teach.

No I have Lamb also as the top WR in the Class. Followed by Ruggs and then Jeudy 

[Logic]

With the 12th pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, the Las Vegas Raiders select CeeDee Lamb, WR, Oklahoma.

 

The Raiders felt that our clear number one need was a bona fide #1 WR. We like Tyrell Williams as a deep threat and we’re really excited about Hunter Renfrow’s future in the slot. We have Agholor and Zay Jones for depth, but we don’t have our alpha yet. With our pick of the entire WR draft class, we heavily studied all three of the top prospects at the position. We were enticed by Jeudy’s route running and Ruggs’ rare speed, but we felt that the former may fit best in the slot and the latter may lack the ability to be a true, dominant #1 WR. CeeDee Lamb will step in and immediately start for us at the Z spot in coach Gruden’s west coast offense. He has physical abilities you just can’t teach. His YAC ability, for instance, is off the charts. In 2019, Lamb had 376 yards after contact (third-most in FBS) and 683 yards after the catch, and he forced 26 missed tackles. He can take a 5 yard slant and turn it into a 60 yard touchdown in a heartbeat. We are thrilled to add him to our team and believe he will add tremendous big play ability to our offense.

 

@Watkins101 and the San Francisco 49ers are now on the clock.

Edited April 16, 2020 by Logic

[GunnerBill]

I have Jeudy first. But then I value route running almost above all else and he is the best route runner I have ever scouted coming out. 

[Virgil]

@Logic

 

Pick deadline is 4:56p EST

[Logic]

Just now, Virgil said:

@Logic

 

Pick deadline is 4:56p EST

 

Just posted. Two posts above you.

[Virgil]

Just now, Logic said:

 

Just posted. Two posts above you.

 

How dare you make me look as stupid as I am!!!!

[BuffaloHokie13]

@Watkins101 is on the clock until 5:37p

[Victory Formation]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

You’re stupid.  You meant to throw a wrench in it. That’s why you asked for the skins.  I find you repulsive 

Dwayne Haskins is in my mind not a good NFL QB and if he is he can be traded for multiple picks. Tua in crimson and yellow makes a lot of sense. Arizona dumped Rosen for Murray and it worked out great for them. Tua was in the conversation to go #1 overall before he got hurt. Tua > Haskins and it’s not even close. There’ll be plenty of opportunities to find a DE in the 3rd round or later. At least the Redskins walk away with a damn good QB, someone who can play at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade. Haskins isn’t the guy. Guess we can share a small rivalry over this one but I think you’re wrong if you think Haskins is the guy in Washington.

 

 

[Virgil]

The Cowboys are very happy they didn't trade up, but also very nervous about the next few picks.  

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Dwayne Haskins is in my mind not a good NFL QB and if he is he can be traded for multiple picks. Tua in crimson and yellow makes a lot of sense. Arizona dumped Rosen for Murray and it worked out great for them. Tua was in the conversation to go #1 overall before he got hurt. Tua > Haskins and it’s not even close. There’ll be plenty of opportunities to find a DE in the 3rd round or later. At least the Redskins walk away with a damn good QB, someone who can play at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade. Haskins isn’t the guy. Guess we can share a small rivalry over this one but I think you’re wrong if you think Haskins is the guy in Washington.

 

 

 

So the way I see it the 'Skins can't lose. I also don't think Haskins is gonna make it based on how he played last year. So if you take Tua you get an upgrade, no question. If you don't you take a generational pass rusher who if Haskins continues to be useless is not going to win you games to take you out of draft position because the offense is seriously talent deficient and you are in Lawrence / Fields territory in 2021. The only way I can see for the Redskins to lose is if they start 0-5 or something and are silly enough to bench Haskins. Either he takes a big step and you might have your guy or he sucks and you ride him to a top 2 pick again in 2021. 

 

So I don't hate either strategy. Young or Tua. The Redskins can't lose. 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So the way I see it the 'Skins can't lose. I also don't think Haskins is gonna make it based on how he played last year. So if you take Tua you get an upgrade, no question. If you don't you take a generational pass rusher who if Haskins continues to be useless is not going to win you games to take you out of draft position because the offense is seriously talent deficient and you are in Lawrence / Fields territory in 2021. The only way I can see for the Redskins to lose is if they start 0-5 or something and are silly enough to bench Haskins. Either he takes a big step and you might have your guy or he sucks and you ride him to a top 2 pick again in 2021. 

 

So I don't hate either strategy. Young or Tua. The Redskins can't lose. 

 

Also, I look at the gap of talent at position.

 

Would you rather get Tua and probably a solid pass rusher with your early 2nd round pick

 

or

 

Haskins, Young, and another flier QB later on.

 

Again, IF Tua is cleared, option one makes way more sense long term

[Logic]

@GunnerBill I’m curious to know: if you were the Raiders and had your pick of the WRs, who would you take? I nearly went with Jeudy due to route running prowess and it’s importance in the WCO, but ultimately felt that he may be best in the slot, where Raiders already have Renfrow. 

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Dwayne Haskins is in my mind not a good NFL QB and if he is he can be traded for multiple picks. Tua in crimson and yellow makes a lot of sense. Arizona dumped Rosen for Murray and it worked out great for them. Tua was in the conversation to go #1 overall before he got hurt. Tua > Haskins and it’s not even close. There’ll be plenty of opportunities to find a DE in the 3rd round or later. At least the Redskins walk away with a damn good QB, someone who can play at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade. Haskins isn’t the guy. Guess we can share a small rivalry over this one but I think you’re wrong if you think Haskins is the guy in Washington.

 

 

Thanks for ruining the draft for everyone.  ✌️Thursday can’t come soon enough 

[CNYfan]

I am not sure from where NewEra's sentiment derives but if I were at #2 and only had Dwayne Haskins to lean on I would draft Tua 10 times out of 10, if his medicals actually checked out.  this is a QB driven league and it is my opinion one must grab a franchise QB if you have the chance.  A team doesn't draft top 5 that often so I think  you have to go for it.  

 

I am enjoying this exercise and do not find it ruined.

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Dwayne Haskins is in my mind not a good NFL QB and if he is he can be traded for multiple picks. Tua in crimson and yellow makes a lot of sense. Arizona dumped Rosen for Murray and it worked out great for them. Tua was in the conversation to go #1 overall before he got hurt. Tua > Haskins and it’s not even close. There’ll be plenty of opportunities to find a DE in the 3rd round or later. At least the Redskins walk away with a damn good QB, someone who can play at a Pro Bowl level for the next decade. Haskins isn’t the guy. Guess we can share a small rivalry over this one but I think you’re wrong if you think Haskins is the guy in Washington.

 

 

No, I think Haskins is a long shot to be a long term starter. 
 

I also think Tua is a long shot to be a pro bowl player for the next decade.  
 

I’ve long been a believer in drafting players that aren’t considered injury prone.  More often than not, those players remain injury prone from my recollection.  5 surgeries in college for Tua iirc?  I played competitive sports for 25 years and never had one surgery due to injury.

 

It’s definitely a trait I avoid more than most

[BuffaloHokie13]

As the Redskins previous owner, I took the can't miss prospect in Young. There are guys like Winston and Cam available on the open market if you really don't like what you see out of Haskins. 

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, Logic said:

@GunnerBill I’m curious to know: if you were the Raiders and had your pick of the WRs, who would you take? I nearly went with Jeudy due to route running prowess and it’s importance in the WCO, but ultimately felt that he may be best in the slot, where Raiders already have Renfrow. 

 

Nah I'd take Jeudy. They want an outside route runner. That is why they traded for Antonio Brown. I think Jeudy as a route runner is as close to AB as anyone coming out of college can possibly be. 

 

I think Lamb is really good too. But Gruden is running a 1998 WCO. I'd go Jeudy to fit that. 

Edited April 16, 2020 by GunnerBill

[Victory Formation]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

No, I think Haskins is a long shot to be a long term starter. 
 

I also think Tua is a long shot to be a pro bowl player for the next decade.  
 

I’ve long been a believer in drafting players that aren’t considered injury prone.  More often than not, those players remain injury prone from my recollection.  5 surgeries in college for Tua iirc?  I played competitive sports for 25 years and never had one surgery due to injury.

 

It’s definitely a trait I avoid more than most

It’ll be really interesting to say the least. It’s an angle that’s not talked about much but one I could see possibly happening. I like Tua, injuries are a concern but I think if he can stay healthy, he’ll be a good one.

[Virgil]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

As the Redskins previous owner, I took the can't miss prospect in Young. There are guys like Winston and Cam available on the open market if you really don't like what you see out of Haskins. 

 

It'll be interesting to me to see if Cam ever gets a call from Rivera.  That would say a lot about the behind-the-scenes stuff in Carolina from the past

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, Virgil said:

It'll be interesting to me to see if Cam ever gets a call from Rivera.  That would say a lot about the behind-the-scenes stuff in Carolina from the past

Even if it wasn't great, he's a known and familiar entity at the most important position. It all depends on what they think of Haskins and how healthy Cam is after all the time off. I could definitely see a 1 year prove it deal. I think Winston is more likely than Cam in Washington though.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Even if it wasn't great, he's a known and familiar entity at the most important position. It all depends on what they think of Haskins and how healthy Cam is after all the time off. I could definitely see a 1 year prove it deal. I think Winston is more likely than Cam in Washington though.

 

They should either take Take Tua or pick Young and Tank for Trevor. 

 

Middling it is the only way to blow this. 

[Virgil]

@Watkins101You doing okay there?

[bkep32]

how much longer does @Watkins101 have, another hour?

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, Virgil said:

@Watkins101You doing okay there?

I think we're waiting on @Kirby Jackson for confirmation, but @Watkins101 might want to have a pick ready just in case. 

1 minute ago, bkep32 said:

how much longer does @Watkins101 have, another hour?

 

45 mins

[Watkins101]

2 minutes ago, Virgil said:

@Watkins101You doing okay there?

Yeah, I'm just waiting for my trade partner to give you guys the okay.