Phil The Thrill Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Good deal for Baltimore and he should help their pass rush... it should also be noted that his numbers have dropped over the past years after his monster breakout season. Not as bad of a deal for Jacksonville as some of you make it out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, eball said: This. Sucks. Baltimore is becoming my 2nd most hated AFC rival. Why? The dude is flat out OLD. Why worry about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Why? The dude is flat out OLD. Why worry about that? LOL! In case you missed it... 2019 : Campbell--6.5 sacks and 25 quarterback hits Jerry Hughes--4.5 sacks, 9 quarterback hits Trent Murphy--5.0 sacks, 9 quarterback hits To put those QB hits in perspective, here are some 2019 comparables: ChandlerJones--26 Aaron Donald--24 JJ Watt--21 Yannick Ngakoue--15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Just now, Lurker said: LOL! In case you missed it... 2019 : Campbell--6.5 sacks and 25 quarterback hits Jerry Hughes--4.5 sacks, 9 quarterback hits Trent Murphy--5.0 sacks, 9 quarterback hits To put those QB hits in perspective, here are some 2019 comparables: ChandlerJones--26 Aaron Donald--24 JJ Watt--21 Yannick Ngakoue--15 OK so, we've established that you love to overpay for aging vets. Is that the best idea? I mean didn't we just draft the next Aaron Donald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: OK so, we've established that you love to overpay for aging vets. Is that the best idea? I mean didn't we just draft the next Aaron Donald? One man's "over payment" is another's better team at a managable price. Trent Murphy says hello, BTW... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Lurker said: One man's "over payment" is another's better team at a managable price. Trent Murphy says hello, BTW... I'm allergic to signing 35 year old DTs to 20 million dollar a year contracts. That's not "manageable" by any definition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 5 hours ago, ScottLaw said: And yet cap space isn’t a concern whatsoever..... Bills need to make moves for guys like this one with FA approaching....at times I fear McBeane are too conservative. He’s better than anything this team has at pass rusher..... come on. Don’t we say this every offseason when we lose out on a FA/don’t make a trade? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 23 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Why do you care about his contract? I see what you’re saying.... even for 1 year I wouldn’t want to give up $15M, all guaranteed. I’d rather save that and give Ngakoue $20M per and not all that guaranteed. Bills don’t need that dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I'm allergic to signing 35 year old DTs to 20 million dollar a year contracts. That's not "manageable" by any definition. Lol. You're a funny guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Lol. You're a funny guy... From your own post: "Already signed a 2-year, $27 million deal with Baltimore. $20 million guaranteed in 2020, just a $7 million hit in 2021..." So yes, they're paying him 20 million this year. How's THAT for comedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: From your own post: "Already signed a 2-year, $27 million deal with Baltimore. $20 million guaranteed in 2020, just a $7 million hit in 2021..." So yes, they're paying him 20 million this year. How's THAT for comedy? Check the edit on that post, Joe... Edited March 15, 2020 by Lurker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) BREAKING NEWS: Free Agency and the Draft have NOT happened yet. Not to mention, trades can happen anytime still too. Geezus, why are so many people dwelling on this as if we missed our ONLY chance to get a DE end this year as if there was no Comparable or better option than 34 year old DE on a 2 year contract? R.E.L.A.X. Beane and McD have on many occasions stressed how Edge is one of the most important and highest paid positions after the quarterback position. So I think it’s pretty clear they will prioritize the position and will be focused on finding some good help there this offseason given Shaq seems likely to leave and Hughes is getting up there in age himself. Edited March 15, 2020 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: BREAKING NEWS: Free Agency and the Draft have NOT happened yet. Not to mention, trades can happen anytime still too. Geezus, why are so many people dwelling on this as if we missed our ONLY chance to get a DE end this year as if there was no Comparable or better option than 34 year old DE on a 2 year contract? R.E.L.A.X. Beane and McD have on many occasions stressed how Edge is one of the most important and highest paid positions after the quarterback position. So I think it’s pretty clear they will prioritize the position and will be focused on finding some good help there this offseason given Shaq seems likely to leave and Hughes is getting up there in age himself. It’s very likely that Campbell was the best DE option available for the Bills for 2020. And the price to acquire him was quite low. And acquiring him wouldn’t have limited us at all in terms of prioritizing the position in the other ways available to us. That’s why some folks are unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: R.E.L.A.X. Short supply these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: I see what you’re saying.... even for 1 year I wouldn’t want to give up $15M, all guaranteed. I’d rather save that and give Ngakoue $20M per and not all that guaranteed. Bills don’t need that dude. Ngakoue isn’t a free agent. I’d rather give Patrick Mahomes $40M but alas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, FireChans said: It’s very likely that Campbell was the best DE option available for the Bills for 2020. And the price to acquire him was quite low. And acquiring him wouldn’t have limited us at all in terms of prioritizing the position in the other ways available to us. That’s why some folks are unhappy. Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right? Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t. All players hit a cliff. 34 years old for a DE is old. Their are no assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year. And sorry, some of you are exaggerating him right now in terms of last year. I get it, people know his name. But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be. He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career. His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there. He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find. And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers. So IMO, some of you are over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being over exaggerated. Edited March 16, 2020 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right? Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t. All players hit a cliff. 34 years old for a DE is old. Their are NO assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year. And sorry, some of you are greatly exaggerating him right now in terms of last year. I get it, people know his name. But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be. He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career. His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there. He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find. And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers. So IMO, some of you are way over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being way over exaggerated. Moar posts like this please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Why? The dude is flat out OLD. Why worry about that? It's not just this deal, it's that I believe Baltimore has the best organization in the AFC outside of (now) Buffalo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right? Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t. All players hit a cliff. 34 years old for a DE is old. Their are no assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year. And sorry, some of you are exaggerating him right now in terms of last year. I get it, people know his name. But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be. He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career. His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there. He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find. And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers. So IMO, some of you are over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being over exaggerated. Ansah isnt Campbell but you know that. And Campbell is a 5x pro Bowler and All-Pro, his cute double digit sack stat aside. Who is the best DE on the market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, FireChans said: It’s very likely that Campbell was the best DE option available for the Bills for 2020. And the price to acquire him was quite low. And acquiring him wouldn’t have limited us at all in terms of prioritizing the position in the other ways available to us. That’s why some folks are unhappy. The price to acquire him may have been so low only because the price to extend him was going to be so high. I want the best players, but if they knew he was asking for the moon and we felt it was excessive, then I trust their judgment. I am NOT saying that is the case, just saying they know a lot more about this than we do, and I tend to trust them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Nole Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Lurker said: So the Bills signed Kaare Vedvik for nothing to a futures contract. Said Vedvik was traded to the Vikes for a 5th rd pick and the ravens just sent that to Jags. I say the bills won this trade. More witchcraft from Beane. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, ScottLaw said: Ozzie is the new wizard. Not bad for a retired guy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, Augie said: The price to acquire him may have been so low only because the price to extend him was going to be so high. I want the best players, but if they knew he was asking for the moon and we felt it was excessive, then I trust their judgment. I am NOT saying that is the case, just saying they know a lot more about this than we do, and I tend to trust them. I hear you, but it’s not like the Ravens don’t know what they are doing either, you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: I hear you, but it’s not like the Ravens don’t know what they are doing either, you know? We don’t know what we don’t know. The Ravens are indeed a well run organization, but if we felt the financial cost was too high, I appreciate them being able to draw a line and live with it. It must be mighty pricey for him to be let go for just a 5th rounder. I’m sure we have layers of contingency plans. It’s unfortunate, but it’s not the end of the world. We still have options, and likely saved a small fortune we can direct elsewhere. Glass half full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Two years ago this would have been a legitimate cry fest. He is one of my favorite players in the league but he is at the end of it. There is a handful of guys that will have the same impact as him that are available. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: Good deal for Baltimore and he should help their pass rush... it should also be noted that his numbers have dropped over the past years after his monster breakout season. Not as bad of a deal for Jacksonville as some of you make it out to be. What it likely means for Jax is that Ngakoue will definitely not want to stay there. But I wouldn't trade a 1st and give him $22M/year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Did they, or do they just strike you as a franchise that just doesn’t care anymore? ? Both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 5 hours ago, FireChans said: Ansah isnt Campbell but you know that. And Campbell is a 5x pro Bowler and All-Pro, his cute double digit sack stat aside. Who is the best DE on the market? He’s 34, they all hit cliffs. Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints. In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints. And he played a way less physical position. 34 is pretty old for a DE. And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career. Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals? I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty75 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 What a robbery...? Off course he’s aging but he’s still a menace if you put him in any dline, they could had a 3th round pick for him at least. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, Smitty75 said: What a robbery...? Off course he’s aging but he’s still a menace if you put him in any dline, they could had a 3th round pick for him at least. If they could have gotten a 3rd pick, they would have. Not like they turned it down for a 5th lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitty75 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: If they could have gotten a 3rd pick, they would have. Not like they turned it down for a 5th lol Sure, but it’s steal a bad decision by the front office imo they didn’t handle this trade well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Just like Ziggy was gonna be so key last year too right? Peyton Manning was elite every year until that one year he wasn’t. All players hit a cliff. 34 years old for a DE is old. Their are no assurances he will be nearly as good as you and others are making him out to be next year. And sorry, some of you are exaggerating him right now in terms of last year. I get it, people know his name. But doesn’t mean he’s as elite as some are making him out to be. He has just TWO double digit sack seasons in his whole career. His sack totals went down each year in Jax too, including just 6.5 last year after he had his best statistical season as a pro his first year there. He is no where close to the best DE option in this years market nor is his 6.5 sacks hard to find. And now he will be even a year older and on a new team so good chance he doesn’t even match last years numbers. So IMO, some of you are over reacting to a player who at this stage of his career is being over exaggerated. While I’m not throwing a tantrum because we didn’t get him, watch what he does in Baltimore next year. He’s the perfect fit and would’ve been an amazing fit here. Pay him 17 mill the next 2 years and then let him go after we win a Super Bowl like Baltimore is about to do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career. Why do people only focus on sacks? Look at QB hits, TFL and solo tackles. He's still performing at a high level and makes the Bills DE's look like backups in comparison... Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 186 168 3 24 0 23 48 14 1 11 73 3 88.0 696 519 177 151 201 2 125 9 yrs ARI 138 120 3 24 0 23 42 8 1 8 55 1 56.5 501 382 119 107 124 2 86 3 yrs JAX 48 48 0 0 0 0 6 6 0 3 18 2 31.5 195 137 58 44 77 39 2008 22 ARI 93 16 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0.0 29 24 5 2 1 1 2009 23 ARI DE 93 16 15 0 0 0 0 5 1 0 0 0 0 7.0 47 36 11 8 14 7 2010 24 ARI DE 93 15 15 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0 0 6.0 60 46 14 13 7 7 2011 25 ARI DE 93 16 16 1 0 0 0 10 2 0 1 0 0 8.0 72 53 19 13 17 10 2012 26 ARI DE 93 13 12 0 0 0 0 6 6.5 63 50 13 13 12 8 2013 27 ARI DE 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 6 1 0 2 2 0 9.0 58 45 13 14 21 1 9 2014* 28 ARI DE 93 14 14 1 23 0 23 3 1 0 0 0 0 7.0 58 48 10 16 11 15 2015* 29 ARI de/DT 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 1 0 0 5.0 61 46 15 16 20 13 2016 30 ARI DT 93 16 16 1 1 0 1 6 2 0 3 53 1 8.0 53 34 19 12 21 1 16 2017*+ 31 JAX DE 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 3 0 1 10 1 14.5 67 47 20 14 30 16 2018* 32 JAX DE 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 1 0 0 10.5 72 53 19 20 22 13 2019* 33 JAX de/DL 93 16 16 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 1 8 1 6.5 56 37 19 10 25 10 Jerry Hughes: Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 152 103 0 0 0 0 14 12 0 3 31 1 51.5 365 249 116 77 111 59 7 yrs BUF 112 96 0 0 0 0 13 12 0 3 31 1 46.5 303 208 95 69 99 54 3 yrs IND 40 7 0 0 0 0 1 5.0 62 41 21 8 12 5 2010 22 IND 92 12 0 0.0 6 6 0 1 1 1 2011 23 IND de 92 12 1 1.0 15 6 9 0 1 1 2012 24 IND lb 92 16 6 0 0 0 0 1 4.0 41 29 12 7 10 3 2013 25 BUF lb 55 16 1 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 10.0 46 32 14 9 18 3 2014 26 BUF DE 55 16 16 3 0 1 18 1 10.0 53 36 17 13 20 10 2015 27 BUF DE 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 4 2 0 1 2 0 5.0 52 37 15 8 12 9 2016 28 BUF LB 55 16 15 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 6.0 48 31 17 8 11 6 2017 29 BUF DE 55 16 16 1 0 0 0 0 4.0 44 28 16 12 11 7 2018 30 BUF DE 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 0 0 0 7.0 37 30 7 13 18 9 2019 31 BUF DE 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 1 11 0 4.5 23 14 9 6 9 10 Trent Murphy: Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 76 49 1 0 0 0 6 10 0 7 15 0 24.0 172 102 70 30 60 31 3 yrs WAS 47 23 0 0 0 0 2 6 0 4 7 0 15.0 112 64 48 16 42 13 2 yrs BUF 29 26 1 0 0 0 4 4 0 3 8 0 9.0 60 38 22 14 18 18 2014 24 WAS ROLB 93 15 8 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 1 0 0 2.5 32 22 10 3 7 4 2015 25 WAS LB 93 16 15 1 0 2 0 0 3.5 33 13 20 3 10 7 2016 26 WAS 93 16 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 1 7 0 9.0 47 29 18 10 25 2 2018 28 BUF DE 93 13 10 0 0 0 0 1 2 0 1 0 0 4.0 24 14 10 5 9 6 2019 29 BUF DE 93 16 16 1 0 0 0 3 2 0 2 8 0 5.0 36 24 12 9 9 12 And some other comps... Yannick Ngakoue: Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 63 62 2 32 1 23 9 14 0 3 65 1 37.5 122 105 17 42 85 35 2016 21 JAX DE/lb 91 16 15 1 9 0 9 2 4 0 0 0 0 8.0 23 20 3 6 14 7 2017* 22 JAX DE 91 16 16 6 0 2 67 1 12.0 30 24 6 10 23 12 2018 23 JAX DE 91 16 16 0 0 0 0 1 9.5 28 25 3 13 33 9 2019 24 JAX DE 91 15 15 1 23 1 23 6 4 0 1 -2 0 8.0 41 36 5 13 15 7 Chandler Jones: Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 119 116 1 0 0 0 23 27 0 8 0 1 96.0 421 295 126 105 162 77 4 yrs ARI 64 64 0 0 0 0 15 17 0 6 0 0 60.0 210 170 40 67 98 44 4 yrs NWE 55 52 1 0 0 0 8 10 0 2 0 1 36.0 211 125 86 38 64 33 2012 22 NWE DE 95 14 13 0 0 0 0 4 3 0 0 0 0 6.0 45 24 21 8 12 6 2013 23 NWE DE/lb 95 16 16 1 0 1 0 1 11.5 79 40 39 14 23 10 2014 24 NWE DE 95 10 8 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 1 0 0 6.0 43 30 13 5 11 6 2015* 25 NWE DE 95 15 15 1 0 0 0 2 4 0 0 0 0 12.5 44 31 13 11 18 11 2016 26 ARI LB 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 4 0 2 0 0 11.0 49 38 11 15 21 9 2017*+ 27 ARI LB 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 2 0 0 0 0 17.0 59 52 7 28 33 15 2018 28 ARI DE 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 4 3 0 1 0 0 13.0 49 38 11 13 18 8 2019*+ 29 ARI LB 55 16 16 0 0 0 0 5 8 0 3 0 0 19.0 53 42 11 11 26 12 Cameron Heywood: Games Def Interceptions Fumbles Tackles Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Int Yds TD Lng PD FF Fmb FR Yds TD Sk Comb Solo Ast TFL QBHits Sfty AV Career 134 99 0 0 0 0 30 6 0 5 9 0 54.0 397 257 140 79 117 74 2011 22 PIT 95 16 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1.0 11 10 1 1 4 2 2012 23 PIT 97 16 0 1.5 20 13 7 4 6 2 2013 24 PIT DE 97 16 13 0 0 0 0 7 0 0 1 8 0 5.0 59 35 24 7 10 7 2014 25 PIT DE 97 16 16 0 0 0 0 4 7.5 53 33 20 11 16 7 2015 26 PIT DE 97 16 16 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 7.0 54 39 15 15 13 9 2016 27 PIT de 97 7 7 0 0 0 0 4 0 0 1 1 0 3.0 21 17 4 4 5 4 2017*+ 28 PIT DE 97 15 15 0 0 0 0 3 2 0 1 0 0 12.0 45 30 15 16 22 15 2018* 29 PIT DT/rdt 97 16 16 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 1 0 0 8.0 51 29 22 10 18 11 2019*+ 30 PIT DT 97 16 16 0 0 0 0 6 1 0 1 0 0 9.0 83 51 32 11 23 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: He’s 34, they all hit cliffs. Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints. In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints. And he played a way less physical position. 34 is pretty old for a DE. And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career. Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals? I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season. I don’t see how Peyton Manning is relevant. I do see how you dodged the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: He’s 34, they all hit cliffs. Manning was great in 2014 with 39 TDs and 15 Ints. In 2105 he had just 9 TDs and 17 ints. And he played a way less physical position. 34 is pretty old for a DE. And once again he’s coming off his third worst statistical season of his long career. Is he going to magically find the fountain of youth at 34 in a new system and double his sack totals? I mean come on, it’s not realistic and it’s more like the will have a similar or worse season. And why didn't the Jags keep him? They could have extended him to lower his cap hit and all they got was a 5th for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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