Covid-19 discussion and humor thread [Was: CDC says don't touch your face to avoid Covid19...Vets to the rescue!

[BillsFan4]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Especially with wildly disparate abilities of state funding and labs in different parts of the country, this seems like a big mistake.  We need more testing, not less!

Agreed.

 

It’s going to be tough to ever even do a national testing and tracing program if it’s left up to each state to decide if they’ll do it or not (and if they have the funding to accomplish it).

[Hapless Bills Fan]

I'd like to follow up a little bit on models.

 

This is the web page with the model put out by Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) to be very useful. IHME is an independent global health research center at the University of Washington, funded by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.  It seems to be the model that matches the numbers various folks in Washington are using.

 

1) a key assumption of the model is explicitly that social distancing restrictions in place, will continue to be in place through MAY

2) let's look at their projection about deaths.  The cited number is 60,000 deaths.  But the uncertainty (the shaded area) is 31,000-127,000!!! 

Pretty sure they have a bunch of other assumptions in there. 

 

I think the bottom line is that models are very problematic at this point because we simply don't have enough data.

 

 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Day 9 – I put liquor bottles in every room.  Tonight, I’m getting all dressed up and going Bar hopping.

 

 

LOL!  Did you plan that when sober?

1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

New report on distribution of the national stockpile:

 

https://oversight.house.gov/news/press-releases/new-document-shows-inadequate-distribution-of-personal-protective-equipment-and

“New Document Shows Inadequate Distribution of Personal Protective Equipment and Critical Medical Supplies to States”

 

Of course it is. FEMA is charge of making Inadequate Distribution and doing a great job of that.

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Gray Beard said:

Any COBOL programmers out there?

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/business/coronavirus-cobol-programmers-new-jersey-trnd/index.html

 

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Literally, we have systems that are 40-plus-years-old," New Jersey Gov. Murphy said over the weekend. "There'll be lots of postmortems and one of them on our list will be how did we get here where we literally needed COBOL programmers?"

 

More important how did we get here where we have so many laywers and politicians?

[Nervous Guy]

19 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

this topic is crazy to not mention people in politics so I'll make some self edits and use AIRED

 

Fact: Hydroxychloroquine has side effects, one of which can be fatal

According to Plowe, who has been studying the drug for decades, AIRED statements are misguided. “You can lose your life. That's pretty clear.

 

This is a drug that can cause serious side effects. The eye issues tend to be people who've taken it for a long time. But the really serious cardiac issues — the potentially fatal cardiac arrhythmias — those can occur the first time you take the drug,” Plowe tells Yahoo Lifestyle.

 

“And it's not just older people who have heart issues, who are at risk. It can even occur in people with normal hearts, so that's a real concern.”

 

The most common side effects associated with hydroxychloroquine are headache, dizziness, nausea and vomiting, but cardiotoxicity — “medication-induced damage to the heart” — has been documented as a “rare but serious complication” of the drug. Z-packs, as AIRED, have also been tied to deadly heart complications, also in rare cases.

 

to see the story look up 

Abby Haglage

Yahoo Lifestyle  post date April 7, 2020, 8:30 PM EDT

To be fair...rare side effects (such as cardiotoxicity in this case) are classified as occurring between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000  people, or as a percentage 0.01% and 0.1%.  And remember, this drug is also used in Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis.

[Cripple Creek]

Don't you dare take away my bacon!

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/business/meat-plant-closures-coronavirus/index.html

[plenzmd1]

Unemployment claims 6.6m, way more than expected.  But somehow all 3 indices set to open up. Fed stepping in huge. Man stuff is crazy right now. 
 

have no clue what to do or what’s gunna happen. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Nervous Guy said:

To be fair...rare side effects (such as cardiotoxicity in this case) are classified as occurring between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 10000  people, or as a percentage 0.01% and 0.1%.  And remember, this drug is also used in Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis.

 

That's true, NG, but please bear in mind that those incidence of side effects were determined when hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine were given to entire populations, typically in countries that did not have a lot of elders with underlying health conditions.  Lupus and RA patients receiving these get carefully monitored.

 

If one is proposing to give them to seriously ill covid-19 patients, recall that many of these patients have underlying health conditions and that pre-existing heart conditions are a huge co-morbidity with covid-19.  In addition, covid-19 patients are showing cardiac abnormalities, as part of the disease course.

 

One simply can not conclude that the incidence of fatal cardiac arrhythmias will be the same in seriously ill covid-19 patients. 

 

I understand the decision to treat hospitalized patients, don't get me wrong - after all, it's part of the standard of care in China because their physicians thought they saw evidence it helped! and there would have been an argument to be made for just adopting their standard of care along with WHO's test.  I'm just saying under the Hippocratic "first do no harm" principle, there's also a clear argument for not treating patients broadly, absent clear evidence it's effective.

[K-9]

I found Bill Barr’s comments interesting and imo, it looks as though it’s gonna be end of April, come hell or high water. I foresee federal challenges to states that continue to enforce strict social distancing measures after the end of the month. Which would be another in a long line of ironies relative to our national response to the pandemic. 
 

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-bill-barr-draconian-social-distancing-may-1-20200409-dezpaavmhfaq5hj6cixeotvpq4-story.html

[SDS]

10 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I found Bill Barr’s comments interesting and imo, it looks as though it’s gonna be end of April, come hell or high water. I foresee federal challenges to states that continue to enforce strict social distancing measures after the end of the month. Which would be another in a long line of ironies relative to our national response to the pandemic. 
 

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-bill-barr-draconian-social-distancing-may-1-20200409-dezpaavmhfaq5hj6cixeotvpq4-story.html

His opinion is no more noteworthy than mine.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I found Bill Barr’s comments interesting and imo, it looks as though it’s gonna be end of April, come hell or high water. I foresee federal challenges to states that continue to enforce strict social distancing measures after the end of the month. Which would be another in a long line of ironies relative to our national response to the pandemic. 
 

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-bill-barr-draconian-social-distancing-may-1-20200409-dezpaavmhfaq5hj6cixeotvpq4-story.html

 

The model which predicts a favorable outcome of "only" 60-80,000 people dying, and only 17,000 ICU beds more than we have needed, has a foundational assumption that stay-at-home orders continue through the end of May.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/health/coronavirus-us-ihme-model-us/index.html

 

""Our estimate of 81 thousand deaths in the US over the next 4 months is an alarming number," the researchers wrote, "but this number could be substantially higher if excess demand for health system resources is not addressed and if social distancing policies are not vigorously implemented and enforced across all states."

 

The other thing that has to be borne in mind is that when one looks at the model for the United States predicting a peak in mid-April, that is a "dog" very much being "wagged" by the tail of New York City. 

 

In many cities, we are no where near a peak.  Even in upstate New York, the peak will probably be somewhat later.

 

 

[K-9]

Just now, SDS said:

His opinion is no more noteworthy than mine.

Oh, absolutely. But, while his opinion isn’t important, the opinions of others that dictate his direction certainly is it’s those opinions that dictate federal actions. Or lack thereof. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

39 minutes ago, SDS said:

His opinion is no more noteworthy than mine.

 

You don't think he's been sent out there like the "sacrificial penguin", in Lt Gov Dan Patrick fashion, to test the waters and see if the leopard seals are lurking?
 

Then there's this
https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/sns-kansas-lawmakers-revoke-church-limits-20200409-tedf6o2p6zgx7na6tnuceolijq-story.html#nt=latestnews&rt=chartbeat-flt

In a number of other States, church services are exempted from the closures.   If Easter services are held, seems like good chances of another bloom of cases in early May, just when they're speaking of lifting restrictions.

 

 

 

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You don't think he's been sent out there, in Lt Gov Dan Patrick fashion, to test the waters?

More like chumming the waters. 

[Figster]

On a side note and I touched on this subject in an earlier post. While there may not be any scientific data right now to support this with so little known about Covid 19. Small cuts or abrasions that are not bandaged or covered may put you at a higher risk. Including small cuts from shaving.

 

Stay home, stay safe people...

[K-9]

4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

Unemployment claims 6.6m, way more than expected.  But somehow all 3 indices set to open up. Fed stepping in huge. Man stuff is crazy right now. 
 

have no clue what to do or what’s gunna happen. 

I’m not surprised at all. Wall Street is not and never has been Main Street. Wall Street isn’t the economy, after all. The demand side impacts of the high unemployment numbers will be reflected eventually, but right now, the getting is good on Wall Street; lots of great deals to be had. I know you know all that, I’m just offering an opinion. The market has always recovered, regardless. 

[Justin C]

16 minutes ago, Figster said:

On a side note and I touched on this subject in an earlier post. While there may not be any scientific data right now to support this with so little known about Covid 19. Small cuts or abrasions that are not bandaged or covered may put you at a higher risk. Including small cuts from shaving.

 

Stay home, stay safe people...

 

Hold on. So small cuts from shaving may infect me. But also long beards are bad for coronavirus as well. The ultimate conundrum! 

 

I have a one month beard going and as long as I'm working from home and only going to Wegmans/Tops, it will keep growing.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

25 minutes ago, Figster said:

On a side note and I touched on this subject in an earlier post. While there may not be any scientific data right now to support this with so little known about Covid 19. Small cuts or abrasions that are not bandaged or covered may put you at a higher risk. Including small cuts from shaving.

 

Stay home, stay safe people...

 

I mean, anything "MAY" be a problem and cuts generally pose a higher risk of infection...but we do have great local immune responses near our skin.    There are a few viruses that can cause infection in skin abrasions (smallpox is one) but those typically cause skin eruptions (eg smallpox; more relevant today hand, foot and mouth disease aka coxackie virus; herpes viruses including herpes simplex and zoster; adenovirus)

 

But all "Mays" are not equal.  ACE2 (the "doorknob" protein used to enter the cell) is expressed widely in the body on epithelia (that's skin cells), especially abundant in the lungs and intestines.  The symptoms we're seeing with SARS-COV2 (covid-19 disease) are respiratory and some GI (diarrhea, vomiting, loss of appetite).  With SARS-COV, binding was seen to another receptor, CD209L, leading to the hypothesis that they both participate in cellular entry.

 

When the dust settles, two receptors may be found to be needed for SARS-COV2 infection as well. 

 

Covering small cuts or abrasions is certainly a fine idea - they'll heal faster and you really don't want to visit Urgent Care or an ER to get treatment for cellulitis or felon right now - but it seems pretty clear the primary route of infections involve the lungs, secondary GI tract.  The GI symptoms are the symptoms that have me go "hmmmm" when experts assure me that take-out food including salads and sandwiches are perfectly safe.  I have yet to encounter any symptoms that make me think skin entry is a risk.

 

If you actually have any data of any kind to support this, kindly provide.

30 minutes ago, Justin C said:

 

Hold on. So small cuts from shaving may infect me. But also long beards are bad for coronavirus as well. The ultimate conundrum! 

 

I have a one month beard going and as long as I'm working from home and only going to Wegmans/Tops, it will keep growing.

 

Depends on what kind of mask you're wearing.  If you're wearing an ordinary paper medical mask, or a cloth mask, these don't seal - wear your beard.

If you're trying to rock an N95 respirator or something else that makes a seal to the face, shave.

[Hardhatharry]

Little scary everyone I work with is coughing.... No one wants to admit they are sick though b.c they don't want to end up unemployed.

[Warcodered]

 

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

I’m not surprised at all. Wall Street is not and never has been Main Street. Wall Street isn’t the economy, after all. The demand side impacts of the high unemployment numbers will be reflected eventually, but right now, the getting is good on Wall Street; lots of great deals to be had. I know you know all that, I’m just offering an opinion. The market has always recovered, regardless. 

couple of my observations of whats happening now from a market perspective. While no expert, i have been invested in equities since 86. Most of what i will post below is my interpretation of  Cramer and other CNBC talking heads.

 

1) While the claims number was higher than expected, the Fed announcement of pumping 2.2 Trillion in signaled they will do whatever it takes to see the economy though. Massive confidence boost for the markets

 

2) Fed buying state and municipalities debt, backstopping high yield corporate debt..unprecedented actions to make sure liquidity is not an issue for either business or governments moving forward

 

3) Cramer interview with Mnuchin seemed to indicate both thought most of the country and people be back to work in May.

 

4) Powell talks later and essentially says this is what we did today, have mire ammo if we need to fire it later. Most surprising to me was he took a question on hpow printing all this money would affect inflation..he stated that was our worry in the 08 crisis, we did not see it, and as a matter of fact inflation has been below what we would like to see for several years now. I dont understand what called MMT(Modern Monetary Theory) but apparently that is the reason why. 

 

5) Everybody understands Q2  numbers mean absolutely nada, gunna suck across the board...liquidity and balance sheet will matter..and look to q3 to give ideas on what 21will look like..that is what will drive share prices up or down.

 

6) Lots of other technical discussion about will we test the lows again(18.5K on the Dow)..most seem to think not but most still believe this is a bear market rally and will be plenty of buying opportunity in the next 1-2 months. 

 

7) said some of the "quarantine " stocks..Netflix, Clorox..maybe overpriced here, so not everything a bargain.

 

? None of us, including those guys, have any freaking clue cause we have never  seen an economy shut close before, nor had a Fed that is taking the actions they are. 

 

Good luck to all !

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Hardhatharry said:

Little scary everyone I work with is coughing.... No one wants to admit they are sick though b.c they don't want to end up unemployed.

 

Are they wearing masks?  Might be time to buy a couple packs of bandanas, some large elastic hair ties, and a box of shop towels and roll one for each co-worker if not.

[Figster]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I mean, anything "MAY" be a problem and cuts generally pose a higher risk of infection...but we do have great local immune responses near our skin.    There are a few viruses that can cause infection in skin abrasions (smallpox is one) but those typically cause skin eruptions (eg smallpox; more relevant today hand, foot and mouth disease aka coxackie virus; herpes viruses including herpes simplex and zoster; adenovirus)

 

But all "Mays" are not equal.  ACE2 (the "doorknob" protein used to enter the cell) is expressed widely in the body on epithelia (that's skin cells), especially abundant in the lungs and intestines.  The symptoms we're seeing with SARS-COV2 (covid-19 disease) are respiratory and some GI (diarrhea, vomiting, loss of appetite).  With SARS-COV, binding was seen to another receptor, CD209L, leading to the hypothesis that they both participate in cellular entry.

 

When the dust settles, two receptors may be found to be needed for SARS-COV2 infection as well. 

 

Covering small cuts or abrasions is certainly a fine idea - they'll heal faster and you really don't want to visit Urgent Care or an ER to get treatment for cellulitis or felon right now - but it seems pretty clear the primary route of infections involve the lungs, secondary GI tract.  The GI symptoms are the symptoms that have me go "hmmmm" when experts assure me that take-out food including salads and sandwiches are perfectly safe.  I have yet to encounter any symptoms that make me think skin entry is a risk.

 

If you actually have any data of any kind to support this, kindly provide.

 

Depends on what kind of mask you're wearing.  If you're wearing an ordinary paper medical mask, or a cloth mask, these don't seal - wear your beard.

If you're trying to rock an N95 respirator or something else that makes a seal to the face, shave.

This article touched on the subject.

 

https://www.crew.scot/coronavirus-general-hygiene-tips/

 

Its one of them better safe then sorry points of interest.

 

Not enough is known right now about Covid 19.

 

Most viruses don't give you pink eye, but we are now finding out differently with Covid 19

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Figster said:

This article touched on the subject.

 

https://www.crew.scot/coronavirus-general-hygiene-tips/

 

Its one of them better safe then sorry points of interest.

 

Not enough is known right now about Covid 19.

 

Most viruses don't give you pink eye, but we are now finding out differently with Covid 19

 

No offense, but I think I'd choose a different source of information. 

 

At least, the information I found there on "small cuts and tears can increase the risk of infection" was in the context of having sex.  If you're having sex with someone potentially carrying the virus, acquiring covid-19 infection from small cuts and tears in your genital area is probably the least of your concerns.

[Figster]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

No offense, but I think I'd choose a different source of information. 

 

At least, the information I found there on "small cuts and tears can increase the risk of infection" was in the context of having sex.  If you're having sex with someone potentially carrying the virus, acquiring covid-19 infection from small cuts and tears in your genital area is probably the least of your concerns.

I just did a quick search trying to find something for you. Its also mentioned earlier in the article.

 

Agreed, not the greatest source

Edited April 9, 2020 by Figster

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Figster said:

I just did a quick search trying to find something for you. Its also mentioned earlier in the article.

Agreed, not the greatest source

 

I'm not saying it couldn't happen - as the article I linked shows, there are ACE2 receptors in the basal layer of the epidermis.  But they're far more abundant in the lungs and airway, and in the small intestine, and those are also the areas where tested positive cases in a pretty large patient data base have reported symptoms, so I'd say it's likely warranted to focus more attention on protecting those areas. 

 

And yes, protecting the face should properly include include eye protection!

[Jrb1979]

I'm surprised by the may talk in the U.S.  Here in Canada they figure this will last well into summer and then they will slowly open up things. Bars, restaurants and shops will open first with limited capacity. Any thing that involves large crowds will way down the line. Trudeau said today expect this to be the new normal til a vaccine is available. 

[BillsFan4]

3 hours ago, Hardhatharry said:

Little scary everyone I work with is coughing.... No one wants to admit they are sick though b.c they don't want to end up unemployed.

I don’t know if you saw that video Hapless posted in the other thread on airborne viruses indoors. But they say if you have windows that open you should open up 2 windows at least once every hour. They said it makes a big difference in clearing any airborne virus that may be in the air.

 

I’d also echo hapless’s suggestion to have everyone start wearing masks if possible. There’s an easy video where they use a towel or bandana + 2 layers of that blue “hydro knit” shop towel (has to be that hydro knit material. Autozone or advanced auto should have rolls of it - one brand is Scott’s Pro shop towels (has to be pro, not original), or Zep’s or toolbox’s shop towels (I think harbor freight carries this brand)).

A roll of 90 or so is $10-15 iirc.

 

They should really be staying home if they’re sick, but I know that’s not your call. I’d wear a mask if possible and encourage your co-workers to do so as well (or at the bare minimum make sure they cough into their elbows every time so it’s at least somewhat contained). 

[Lurker]

4 hours ago, K-9 said:

I’m not surprised at all. Wall Street is not and never has been Main Street. Wall Street isn’t the economy, after all. The demand side impacts of the high unemployment numbers will be reflected eventually, but right now, the getting is good on Wall Street; lots of great deals to be had. I know you know all that, I’m just offering an opinion. The market has always recovered, regardless. 

 

IMO, this is a bear trap, plain and simple.     Short covering and momo traders only.   

 

Be careful of getting caught up in the FOMO mindset...

[Figster]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm not saying it couldn't happen - as the article I linked shows, there are ACE2 receptors in the basal layer of the epidermis.  But they're far more abundant in the lungs and airway, and in the small intestine, and those are also the areas where tested positive cases in a pretty large patient data base have reported symptoms, so I'd say it's likely warranted to focus more attention on protecting those areas. 

 

And yes, protecting the face should properly include include eye protection!

This article also supports your response.

 

https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/41990594/can-covid19-be-spread-through-a-cut-wound-or-a-sneezedon-salad

 

Thanks

Edited April 9, 2020 by Figster

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

I'm surprised by the may talk in the U.S.  Here in Canada they figure this will last well into summer and then they will slowly open up things. Bars, restaurants and shops will open first with limited capacity. Any thing that involves large crowds will way down the line. Trudeau said today expect this to be the new normal til a vaccine is available. 

 

Canada is probably correct, unless the predictions of the virus tailing off with warm weather come to pass.  Canada, with its national health plan, would also be well equipped to execute a vigorous test/trace/quarantine containment strategy favorable for an earlier resumption of work.

 

The talk in US is "open up at beginning of May".  Church services are still allowed in a number of states and may be heavily attended this Easter Sunday.

 

The virus may not have peaked in some places by then; it will be just post-peak in many more per the favorable overall model that predicts ~60-80,000 deaths, and any "blooms" caused by folks attending Easter church services will be just getting going.  [That model explicitly assumes stay-at-home measures will remain in force through the end of May]

 

Here's the article describing one of the models (map pasted in above):
http://www.healthdata.org/sites/default/files/files/research_articles/2020/COVID-forecasting-03252020_4.pdf

States with peaks forcast to occur >29 April include Virginia, S. Carolina, Kentucky, Florida, Wisconsin, and Colorado

Much of the country is forecast to peak 21-28 April, including California and Oregon, most of the midwest, and most of the SE.

 

The peak is assymmetrical, so a forecast mid-April peak will take approximately 30 days to decline to the 10% level (per model)

[Hardhatharry]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Are they wearing masks?  Might be time to buy a couple packs of bandanas, some large elastic hair ties, and a box of shop towels and roll one for each co-worker if not.

My boss did not prepared for this at all... He said he ordered bandanas for everyone... On Monday. Some people have their own masks. All I do now is go to work and go home.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said:

My boss did not prepared for this at all... He said he ordered bandanas for everyone... On Monday. Some people have their own masks. All I do now is go to work and go home.

 

You might consider a trip to Autozone or a hardware store for a pack of shop towels and rummage your bureau for a bandana and some type of elastics, if you don't have a mask yourself.

[BillsFan4]

@Hardhatharry  check out these videos for ideas. There are tons of videos on YouTube on how to make your own mask. It depends on what type you want to make. 

 

Heres a link to the simplest one ive found. It’s got step by step pictures. You can just lay a piece of that blue shop towel or other filter material inside the handkerchief.

 

http://blog.japanesecreations.com/no-sew-face-mask-with-handkerchief-and-hair-tie

 

And here’s a few videos for more ideas:

 

 

 

 

Here’s one (the video below) made from shop towels, paper clips and a stapler.

 

Just FYI, the video shows the wrong type of shop towels. Those are Scott’s originals. They are made from paper. Ideally you want the Pro version that is made from polyester/ hydro knit, not paper. 

 

 

Or you could go with one like this that has a filter pocket (where you could change out the shop towel filter each day). It only takes sewing in a couple quick spots if you’re up for it:

 

 

[BillsFan4]

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/news/campbell-fighting-covid-19-is-a-surreal-lonely-experience

‘Campbell: Fighting COVID-19 is a surreal, lonely experience’

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Former Bills tight end Mark Campbell joined Howard and Jeremy on Thursday to talk about his experience fighting the coronavirus

 

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Campbell on his mentality on trying to initially fight the coronavirus:

 

"As ex-athletes, we're probably a little more prone to thinking, 'Just push through. Push through. Be tough.' We've been taught that our whole lives. Well that worked against me, for sure. Day 12 I went to the hospital, I got admitted almost immediately. Next thing you know, I've got tubes all over the place, oxygen, all these things going on, and I was there for five days."

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You don't (want to) have to deal with this because it's just awful. It sucked. I don't know how else to describe it. I'm young, I'm healthy, I still work out, I'm in good shape. This thing doesn't care if you're young or you're old, if you're healthy or if you're not, it can affect you."

 

Edited April 10, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I have a buddy who was a missionary to El Salvador and for some reason today, I sort of wondered how that very poor country would be handling COVID19.

 

interestingly enough, they’re doing “great.” The street gangs enforce the quarantine— pretty interesting. 
 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-04-07/el-salvador-coronavirus-homicides-bukele

[Sundancer]

FoxNews quotes the Surgeon General talking about tracing contacts. As far as I know, this is the first mention of this from anyone in the Executive branch. 

 

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"And, number two: we want to see cases start to come down for ideally two weeks. And, once that happens, we want to make sure we have a public health infrastructure in place so that we can follow up on positive tests and isolate case contacts," added Adams.

 

"Once we feel comfortable we can do that, we can start reopening in places that have flattened their curve and have a low-lying level of cases, because we have confidence that one case won't turn into 10, 100, a thousand," he concluded.

 

 

Really good to see this--it means they are discussing the importance of this behind closed doors. But if he's floating it publicly, there's more to come.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Sundancer

[plenzmd1]

I have been reading how it’s not the virus that killls people, but their immune system going nuts and causing the inflammation in the lungs etc. the so called “ cytokene” storm. 
 

Linked clip from a good friend who is good friends with this DR. Who was positive and his story on how anti inflammatory was like a miracle cure. Obviously anecdotal, but wonder if this might be how treatment evolves. 
 

 

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[Bob in Mich]

27 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I have been reading how it’s not the virus that kills people, but their immune system going nuts and causing the inflammation in the lungs etc. the so called “ cytokene” storm. 
 

Linked clip from a good friend who is good friends with this DR. Who was positive and his story on how anti inflammatory was like a miracle cure. Obviously anecdotal, but wonder if this might be how treatment evolves. 

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/223756-covid-19-facts-and-information-only-thread/?do=findComment&comment=6463111

 

You have probably seen the other thread on this board being 'moderated' by Hapless.  The above link is a posting in that thread that talks about cannabis compounds and this cytokine storm.  I linked to the PPP medical cannabis page with some of my personal experiences with a February respiratory flu - obviously anecdotal as well.

 

There have been conflicting studies about the wisdom of using cannabis compounds around viruses and I am not a medical or research scientist, but a cannabis based treatment seems like it may have some future.  See the links at the other post if you have not already.  Briefly, some cannabinoids are bronchodilators to help breathing, some seem to suppress this cytokine storm issue as described by the doctor in the video, and relatively, it has few side effects.  In addition, if found to be effective, concentrates are already available worldwide today and production of cannabis concentrates has already been scaled up for today's medical and adult use markets.

 

Doing searches on "cannabinoids, 'cytokine storm'" uncovers some studies done with other viruses on the nih.gov site too.  Other google searches uncover the typical wide range of sources and validity so look out for that.

 

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