Covid-19 discussion and humor thread [Was: CDC says don't touch your face to avoid Covid19...Vets to the rescue!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, T&C said:

Rand Paul has tested positive for the Coronavirus...

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/rand-paul-1st-senator-report-positive-test-virus-69737811

 

The senator was on Capitol Hill this past week, including at a luncheon Friday among GOP senators. He spoke on the Senate floor on Wednesday afternoon, addressing the cornonavirus and an amendment he sponsored that would pay for virus relief efforts by withdrawing U.S. forces from Afghanistan.

 

A spokesman for Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan., said Moran briefly saw Paul at the Senate gym Sunday morning and that he shared that information with GOP colleagues at a policy meeting. Moran “followed CDC guidelines and kept a safe distance between him and Sen. Paul,'' spokesman Tom Brandt said. Moran has spoken with the attending physician at the Capitol and has been told he does not need to self-quarantine, Brandt said.

 

South Dakota Sen. John Thune, the second-ranking Republican senator, said on the Senate floor that lawmakers will consult with the attending physician about all senators who have been in contact with Paul.

 

Apparently he was using the pool in the gym this morning.

[T&C]

8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/rand-paul-1st-senator-report-positive-test-virus-69737811

 

The senator was on Capitol Hill this past week, including at a luncheon Friday among GOP senators. He spoke on the Senate floor on Wednesday afternoon, addressing the cornonavirus and an amendment he sponsored that would pay for virus relief efforts by withdrawing U.S. forces from Afghanistan.

 

A spokesman for Sen. Jerry Moran, R-Kan., said Moran briefly saw Paul at the Senate gym Sunday morning and that he shared that information with GOP colleagues at a policy meeting. Moran “followed CDC guidelines and kept a safe distance between him and Sen. Paul,'' spokesman Tom Brandt said. Moran has spoken with the attending physician at the Capitol and has been told he does not need to self-quarantine, Brandt said.

 

South Dakota Sen. John Thune, the second-ranking Republican senator, said on the Senate floor that lawmakers will consult with the attending physician about all senators who have been in contact with Paul.

 

Apparently he was using the pool in the gym this morning.

Thanks Hap... saw it  breaking on my phone but couldn't get the link to go, it was a different one though. Same story however.

[Augie]

So....now we know that NBA players and senators can get tested. 

 

Using a pool at a gym sounds like very bad social distancing to me, but what do I know? Would that not be the FIRST gym you shut down? 

 

Classic case of do as I say, not as I do.....

 

 

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Edited March 22, 2020 by Augie

[BillsFan4]

Yikes.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

So....now we know that NBA players and senators can get tested. 

 

Yeah, and without having "driven to a hospital and licked a covid-19 patient", too, or even having severe symptoms.

 

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

Using a pool at a gym sounds like very bad social distancing to me, but what do I know? Would that not be the FIRST gym you shut down? 

 

Extremely poor social distancing.

[Augie]

28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, and without having "driven to a hospital and licked a covid-19 patient", too, or even having severe symptoms.

 

 

 Extremely poor social distancing.

 

I knew it! I was never very good at “Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader”, but I was pretty sure about this! Now....if only.....  ?

 

Seriously, how was that gym not the first one in the country to close? 

[John in Jax]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

Seriously, how was that gym not the first one in the country to close? 

The story is as old as time for those in power: "Do as I say, not as I do!"

[Sundancer]

I see Italy had fewer deaths today than yesterday. Before I take comfort in that, I wonder if they changed their counting to resemble Germany and others and now are starting to disregard deaths of people with Co-morbidities (those who were already dying from something else should not be listed as dead from Covid-19). 

 

[Edit: Thanks for the source challenge Hapless...some part of me thought this was a bigger story but you are right taht it's not.]

 

How Italy counts

 

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"The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus...

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” he says. 

 

 

 

Then there's Germany's way. 

 

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"On the other hand, Germany could also be failing to identify some deaths caused by the coronavirus. This is because German hospitals typically don’t perform postmortem tests, like Italy now does. Some people who died of the disease after being hospitalized for a different condition, such as cancer, may not appear in German statistics."

 

It's subtle but real. I found another article criticizing Italy about this but now can't find it. In any event, there is some sourcing on how they count deaths.  

Edited March 23, 2020 by Sundancer

[Steptide]

28 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

I see Italy had fewer deaths today than yesterday. Before I take comfort in that, I wonder if they changed their counting to resemble Germany and others and now are starting to disregard deaths of people with Co-morbidities (those who were already dying from something else should not be listed as dead from Covid-19). 

Didn't they have like 650 deaths today? That's less than yesterday? Sorry I can't even keep it all straight 

[Augie]

Well, we have the first confirmed case in our extended family. A young guy (turns 30 today, actually) in Tampa. Otherwise healthy, but  with a fever. Still not sure how he even got tested. Said he’s got a fever, but feels fine and is staying confined. 

 

Our 6 year old grandson in Nashville had a 102.5 fever and cough recently. Never got tested, but thank God he’s doing fine now. Could have been “normal stuff”, and we’ll probably never know. 

 

Soon I think we’ll all know people who have fought this battle. 

 

 

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Edited March 23, 2020 by Augie

[Wacka]

21 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

They lost her husband's sample and claimed he'd never been tested, then that it was no longer viable and he needed to be retested (they're testing for viral RNA, viral viability may not matter - though I lack info on that point for coronavirus.  @Wacka?  @BillsFanNC?).

 

 

I don't know. I do know that RNA is a lot more fragile than DNA.  RNAses are  everywhere.  I did maybe 1 or 2 Northern blots (RNA for the layman) in my life and you had to be very meticulous in handling them.

 

info for layman: Southern (named after the scientist that developed it) blots are DNA  run in a gel to sort by size, blotted onto a membrane and then probed with a radioactive fragment. Northerns are the same with RNA and Westerns are with proteins.

[BillsFan4]

 

Been waiting to start hearing stories like this. I fear we will hear many more.

 

I wonder if he flew home? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Sundancer said:

I see Italy had fewer deaths today than yesterday. Before I take comfort in that, I wonder if they changed their counting to resemble Germany and others and now are starting to disregard deaths of people with Co-morbidities (those who were already dying from something else should not be listed as dead from Covid-19). 

 

Can you kindly source the statement about Germany disregarding covid-19 deaths with comorbidities?

Otherwise it should be deleted as unsubstantiated.  I did a quick Duckduckgo and a quick Google search and could not find info on this point.

 

Thanks.

 

4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

Been waiting to start hearing stories like this. I fear we will hear many more.

 

I wonder if he flew home? 

 

Yes.  Yes we will.

[BillsFan4]

47 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Didn't they have like 650 deaths today? That's less than yesterday? Sorry I can't even keep it all straight 

They’ve been around 750 a day for the last few days iirc. It was at 350 a day like a week ago or less, then quickly started doubling. 

 

You're right though its tough to keep it all straight. Things are changing so quickly every day. 

 

New York State is now up to over 15,000 confirmed cases.

We were at 7,000  2-3 days ago and like 400 a week ago

Edited March 23, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Hapless Bills Fan]

This is arguably facts and information, but I feel folks may want to discuss:

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-tracking-citizens-phones-coronavirus-2020-3

 

 

2 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

They’ve been around 750 a day for the last few days iirc. It was at 350 a day like a week ago or less, then quickly started doubling. 

 

You're right though its tough to keep it all straight. Things are changing so quickly every day. 

 

New York State is now up to over 15,000 confirmed cases.

We were at 7,000  2-3 days ago and like 400 a week ago

 

The modeled doubling time for the virus with the reproduction rate calculated from other countries is about 5 days (4-6).

 

We are seeing a faster pace right now that is likely due to increased testing vs. increased infections (eg the infections are already out there, we're just finding more of them by testing)

[K-9]

17 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

Been waiting to start hearing stories like this. I fear we will hear many more.

 

I wonder if he flew home? 

Mindless, stupid, selfish idiots. I say stupid because it’s not as if they didn’t know better. Willful ignorance at best. 

[Cripple Creek]

Ohio Pharmacy board restricts restricts prescriptions due to run on chloroquine & hydroxychloroquine.

 

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200321/ohio-pharmacy-board-restricts-prescriptions-for-experimental-coronavirus-treatment-drugs

[Augie]

31 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Mindless, stupid, selfish idiots. I say stupid because it’s not as if they didn’t know better. Willful ignorance at best. 

 

I hope and pray I would have made a better decision back in my day. I’m pretty sure my parents would not have allowed me to be so stupid. We’ll never know, so I’ll try not to judge, but everyone will have to live with the consequences of what happened there. 

 

Florida conveniently waited until after the spring break money was collected by bars, hotels (and the state in taxes) before closing the beaches. There’s a LOT of blame to be spread around here. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said:

Ohio Pharmacy board restricts restricts prescriptions due to run on chloroquine & hydroxychloroquine.

 

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200321/ohio-pharmacy-board-restricts-prescriptions-for-experimental-coronavirus-treatment-drugs

 

https://www.propublica.org/article/lupus-patients-cant-get-crucial-medication-after-president-trump-pushes-unproven-coronavirus-treatment

 

"Trump’s unproven claim that hydroxychloroquine could be used to treat COVID-19 has led to hoarding, putting Lupus patients and others at even greater risk."

 

The drug Plaquenil keeps Anna Valdez’s lupus in check.  Late last week, as she sheltered in place at her home outside Santa Rosa, California, Valdez called her local pharmacy and ordered a refill to treat her autoimmune disorder, thinking a 90-day supply would help her ride out the coronavirus outbreak. But the pharmacy told her it had only 10 pills left. Valdez called other pharmacies. They, too, had run out.

 

Valdez and lupus patients around the country have learned in recent days that an extraordinary force has upended the supply chain they all rely on: President Donald Trump.

These days, Plaquenil is better known by its generic name, hydroxychloroquine. It is the medication Trump has been hyping as a potential treatment for the novel coronavirus, even though it is not approved for this use and there is scant medical evidence so far that it works to treat the virus.

 

Lupus afflicts about 1.5 million Americans, and women and African Americans are disproportionately affected. The immune system of a lupus patient attacks its own tissues, causing inflammation and tissue damage in an array of organs, from the joints to the kidneys and lungs.

Many lupus patients use Plaquenil to combat these effects.

 

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To recap from the other thread

-chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine (the form available in US) are widely-used antimalarials

-anti-viral activity IN THE LAB has been observed against several viruses, including HIV, MERS, SARS, and covid-19

-when tested in clinical trials for those viruses, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have NOT proven to be effective clinical therapies

-there are all sorts of reasons why a drug that works in virus-infected cells in the lab might not work for virus-infected patients

-China has reported success in a clinical trial but have not released the data, so it is not yet known how rigorous or large it was

-chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine have a very narrow range between a high enough dose to cure, but a low enough dose to avoid toxicity - like heart arrhythmias (you drop dead) and other side effects (eye and kidney problems). 

-It is not a good drug to gobble on your own just for grins, without careful medical supervision by a Doctor!

 

If you know someone who is hording hydroxychloroquine, please ask them to stop.  They are literally putting Lupus patients lives at risk.

[Bad Things]

The NZ Prime Minister came on the air earlier and announced that we will be going into "Stage 4" (lockdown) in 48 hours.

She said Stage 4 will last at least 4 weeks.  Yikes!

 

So, what sort of productive endeavors should I pursue for the next month?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

 

9 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

The NZ Prime Minister came on the air earlier and announced that we will be going into "Stage 4" (lockdown) in 48 hours.

She said Stage 4 will last at least 4 weeks.  Yikes!

 

So, what sort of productive endeavors should I pursue for the next month?

 

I think that's another thread - "Pandemics are Boring" perhaps?

[Bad Things]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

I think that's another thread - "Pandemics are Boring" perhaps?

cheers

[BillsFan4]

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/coronavirus-cases-have-dropped-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success

Coronavirus cases have dropped sharply in South Korea. What’s the secret to its success?

 

Interesting read.

 

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Amid these dire trends, South Korea has emerged as a sign of hope and a model to emulate. The country of 50 million appears to have greatly slowed its epidemic; it reported only 74 new cases today, down from 909 at its peak on 29 February. And it has done so without locking down entire cities or taking some of the other authoritarian measures that helped China bring its epidemic under control. “South Korea is a democratic republic, we feel a lockdown is not a reasonable choice,” says Kim Woo-Joo, an infectious disease specialist at Korea University. South Korea’s success may hold lessons for other countries—and also a warning: Even after driving case numbers down, the country is braced for a resurgence.

 

Behind its success so far has been the most expansive and well-organized testing program in the world, combined with extensive efforts to isolate infected people and trace and quarantine their contacts. South Korea has tested more than 270,000 people, which amounts to more than 5200 tests per million inhabitants—more than any other country except tiny Bahrain, according to the Worldometer website.

 

 

[Sundancer]

4 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/coronavirus-cases-have-dropped-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success

Coronavirus cases have dropped sharply in South Korea. What’s the secret to its success?

 

Interesting read.

 

 

 

 

The model couldn't be clearer. Massive testing and tracking. We can't do the first.  The later isn't even being discussed. And regional closure left to local or state governments(or not) has been the approach here. So while NYC is being crushed, Boson biz (not restaurants) are still open.  This needs to centralized at a national level to get back to any nomral. It seems we are not willing to do this nationally yet. 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Sundancer

[ALF]

A big problem is to have the virus with no symptoms and be able to spread it. A quick check with a ear temperature device is early warning sign to be very careful if temp is rising .

[Sundancer]

Maybe a national plan in 8 days. 

 

 

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President Donald Trump said on Sunday the United States will make a decision at the end of a 15-day period on “which way we want to go”, to curb the spread of the coronavirus.

 

“We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself,” he said on Twitter. He did not elaborate.

 

Trump issued new guidelines on March 16 aimed at slowing the spread of the disease over 15 days.

 

 

This would be a week from tomorrow. That's an arbitrary wait time. It'd be nice to know which way to go now, since we can see other countries who are ahead of us on the timeline and how it's going. But it's something. 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by Sundancer

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 

[Wacka]

I did geocaching yesterday.  It is a hobby where you use a GPS to find stuff hidden outside.  Usually  do it solitary. Try not to be where people are so they don't go "What the hell are you doing?" . Met 5 geocachers I know on a bike trail.  We kept our distance from each other. Been closer to people in the supermarket.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Wacka

[Sundancer]

18 minutes ago, Wacka said:

I did geocaching yesterday.  It is a hobby where you use a GPS to find stuff hidden outside.  Usually  do it solitary. Try not to be where people are so they don't go "What the hell are you doing?" . Met 5 geocachers I know on a bike trail.  We kept our distance from each other. Been closer to people in the supermarket.

Went to a local nature area with hiking. More people than normal for sure but plenty of space for all. We all smiled and gave wide births when crossing paths. I hope they keep the parks open. Very good for my mental health. 
 

I expect they may be closed though as they get lumped in with “public spaces” to avoid like playgrounds and basketball courts (kids continue to play ball at my local park, which is baffling). 

[Gray Beard]

2 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Went to a local nature area with hiking. More people than normal for sure but plenty of space for all. We all smiled and gave wide births when crossing paths. I hope they keep the parks open. Very good for my mental health. 
 

I expect they may be closed though as they get lumped in with “public spaces” to avoid like playgrounds and basketball courts (kids continue to play ball at my local park, which is baffling). 

I live in a village with plenty of sidewalks.  It a great place to go for a walk.  My wife and I have a 3 mile zigzag route that we like.  I’ve noticed that when we encounter other people somebody will cross the street to give a wide berth.  I’m fine with that. 

[Cripple Creek]

One Chicago doc's opinion.  Set this aside, when hopefully, in a month people say this was all for nothing.

 

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-doctors-blunt-speech-about-covid-19-hit-home-across-the-country-read-her-full-speech/2241815/

[BillsFan4]

2 hours ago, Sundancer said:

Maybe a national plan in 8 days. 

 

 

 

This would be a week from tomorrow. That's an arbitrary wait time. It'd be nice to know which way to go now, since we can see other countries who are ahead of us on the timeline and how it's going. But it's something. 

 

 

That 15 day period he is referring to is the “national pause” he called for a few days ago (that 1/2 the country isn’t even following)

 

I hope he’s not saying that he plans to lift any “stay at home” orders at the end of the 15 days because of what it’s doing to the economy.

 

Not sure what else he means by “we can’t let the cure be worse than the problem itself”. The way I read it is he’s losing patience with what this pause is doing to the economy. Hope I’m wrong on that.

Edited March 23, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Sundancer]

28 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

That 15 day period he is referring to is the “national pause” he called for a few days ago (that 1/2 the country isn’t even following)

 

I hope he’s not saying that he plans to lift any “stay at home” orders at the end of the 15 days because of what it’s doing to the economy.

 

Not sure what else he means by “we can’t let the cure be worse than the problem itself”. The way I read it is he’s losing patience with what this pause is doing to the economy. Hope I’m wrong on that.

 

That's how I'm reading it too. I also hope I'm wrong. The 15-day thing was not national and not enforced, so of course it is having only an arbitrary effect. 

 

But there is a balancing act with the economy here...if we'd had a really severe lockdown from day 1 of this, 2 (more likely 3) weeks might have worked if we were ready with testing and tracking coming out of it (both of these are VITAL to prevent more outbreaks). But we have sort of got nothing. The administration may have little choice but to re-open and sacrifice the healthcare system and deaths from CV and others whose care gets blocked by CV patients.  

 

Given the choice between a "now-informed" public choosing between: (1) shutdown with no testing/tracking, and (2) no shutdown, we might as well do #2 could well be the administration's decision. 

 

It doesn't seem like we have the capability for testing or the national will for tracking (see this NYT opinion, which reflects what a neighbor told me the other day, "I ain't installing an app to let people see where I go.").

Edited March 23, 2020 by Sundancer

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Sundancer said:

Maybe a national plan in 8 days. 

 

 

 

This would be a week from tomorrow. That's an arbitrary wait time. It'd be nice to know which way to go now, since we can see other countries who are ahead of us on the timeline and how it's going. But it's something. 

 

 

 

We haven't had an effective lockdown yet.  It's voluntary, it's arbitrary, it's piecemeal.  St Louis locking down is not helpful when St Charles county is open for business. People just drive 10 miles and shop for clothes or bon-bons or get hair appointments there.

 

Slap a ruler on this line and see where we'll be in a week.  We need action YESTERDAY, not in 7 days. 

 

[Steptide]

10 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I hope and pray I would have made a better decision back in my day. I’m pretty sure my parents would not have allowed me to be so stupid. We’ll never know, so I’ll try not to judge, but everyone will have to live with the consequences of what happened there. 

 

Florida conveniently waited until after the spring break money was collected by bars, hotels (and the state in taxes) before closing the beaches. There’s a LOT of blame to be spread around here. 

I was talking with a friend the other day about how if this all happened when we were in highschool or college, we would've all (our friends) been hanging out together every night and doing who knows what. Maybe we wouldn't be going on spring break, but being off from school for however long is just an invitation for young people to do dumb things

[K-9]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We haven't had an effective lockdown yet.  It's voluntary, it's arbitrary, it's piecemeal.  St Louis locking down is not helpful when St Charles county is open for business. People just drive 10 miles and shop for clothes or bon-bons or get hair appointments there.

 

Slap a ruler on this line and see where we'll be in a week.  We need action YESTERDAY, not in 7 days. 

 

When I look at our graph line, we are literally the worst country in world when it comes to managing this. 

[BillsFan4]

 

 

Also confirms the defense production act has not actually been invoked (despite claims that it has)

 

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Asked about growing pressure for President Donald Trump to use the Defense Production Act to force companies to mass produce critical supplies, Adams suggested that it’s not necessary at this point.

“Here's the thing that people don't understand. You don't need to compel someone to do something they are already doing,” he said, adding that they’re already working with companies like Honeywell and Hanes that are already producing large quantities of the items needed.

 

I thought there were other benefits to invoking the DPA, like being able to keep foreign countries from buying supplies/equipment needed here (and so our states aren’t competing against foreign nations to buy it), and funding for the increased production of these goods? (I’m not sure though)

Edited March 23, 2020 by BillsFan4

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

That's how I'm reading it too. I also hope I'm wrong. The 15-day thing was not national and not enforced, so of course it is having only an arbitrary effect. 

 

But there is a balancing act with the economy here...if we'd had a really severe lockdown from day 1 of this, 2 (more likely 3) weeks might have worked if we were ready with testing and tracking coming out of it. But we have sort of got nothing. The administration may have little choice but to re-open and sacrifice the healthcare system and deaths from CV and others whose care gets blocked by CV patients.  

 

Do you actually comprehend the full horror of what that statement means?

 

Doctors and nurses and EMS here do not have full protective equipment.  We have people wearing surgical masks who should be wearing N95.  We have people wearing N95 who should be wearing self-contained respirators (nurses and doctors continuously exposed to pathogens wearing N95 will eventually become ill).  This will pulverize a generation of physicians and nurses if we re-open without a vigorous containment plan in place, and the effects will be felt for decades to come.  Those who don't die or become debilitated will suffer PTSD for years from the triage decisions they're going to have to make to choose which patient to ventilate and which patient to let die.

 

Many Americans in rural counties have little access to hospitals and no access to hospitals with critical care facilities.   This will decimate the population of rural areas, with follow-on effects on food supply.

It's not just the health care system, either.  Law enforcement in many places are NOT taking appropriate protective measures.  Police forces will be unable to function properly for months, maybe longer.

 

If that is in fact Trumps plan (and I'd like to hope you are mistaken, but I would not bet), what will happen in this nation in a month will be "eye opening" that's all I'll say.

 

 

 

[Sundancer]

I'm not saying hydroxychloroquine won't end up helping, but this is irresponsible:

 

Florida man with coronavirus says drug touted by Trump saved his life (NYPost)

 

I've taken it before when traveling to malaria zones and it has VERY SERIOUS side effects. This is a dangerous drug that has to be carefully administered, if it even works. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you actually comprehend the full horror of what that statement means?

 

Doctors and nurses and EMS here do not have full protective equipment.  We have people wearing surgical masks who should be wearing N95.  We have people wearing N95 who should be wearing self-contained respirators (nurses and doctors continuously exposed to pathogens wearing N95 will eventually become ill).  This will pulverize a generation of physicians and nurses if we re-open without a vigorous containment plan in place, and the effects will be felt for decades to come.  Those who don't die or become debilitated will suffer PTSD for years from the triage decisions they're going to have to make to choose which patient to ventilate and which patient to let die.

 

Many Americans in rural counties have little access to hospitals and no access to hospitals with critical care facilities.   This will decimate the population of rural areas, with follow-on effects on food supply.

It's not just the health care system, either.  Law enforcement in many places are NOT taking appropriate protective measures.  Police forces will be unable to function properly for months, maybe longer.

 

If that is in fact Trumps plan (and I'd like to hope you are mistaken, but I would not bet), what will happen in this nation in a month will be "eye opening" that's all I'll say.

 

 

 

 

Oh yeah I get it (on paper). I just see no ability for us to bite off what needs to be done on testing and tracking...followed by a nearly national lockdown of 3 weeks. This current shutdown is a joke. I'll just keep saying it: Boston is STILL mostly open.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Sundancer

[Hapless Bills Fan]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Also confirms the defense production act has not actually been invoked (despite claims that it has)

 

 

I thought there were other benefits to invoking the DPA, like being able to keep foreign countries from buying supplies/equipment needed here, and funding for the increased production of these goods? (I’m not sure though)

 

Yes, that is correct.