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I think the big fish is Chris Jones.

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The Bills had Star restructure his contract and the Bills look like they are letting Phillips walk.

 

I bet McBeane wants to make a really good D elite by signing Jones.

 

I don't know if KC can/will franchise, but if they do...............

 

what I just typed above is absolute gibberish.

 

But I do think that Chris Jones is the one that McBeane go out and spend the money on.

 

What do you think?

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While I'd love having him,  I don't see how that helps our pass rush out seeing as we still would need a DE. Unless I'm mistaken but he is a DT, correct?

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In this scenario, I would expect the Bills to go after an edge rusher in the 2nd, unless one of the big three slip to them in the first round.

 

Chris Jones can actually play some end from time to time.

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6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Which edge rusher in the 2nd ? 
 

And fingers crossed he is still there I guess..

 

Bradlee Anae for example.

 

But I have no idea.

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12 minutes ago, njbuff said:

In this scenario, I would expect the Bills to go after an edge rusher in the 2nd, unless one of the big three slip to them in the first round.

 

Chris Jones can actually play some end from time to time.

Jones is a monster but he isn't lining up  at D end in McDermott's base 43 

 

And this would pretty much negate our top 10 pick Oliver to lots of less playing time

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1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

Jones is a monster but he isn't lining up  at D end in McDermott's base 43 

 

And this would pretty much negate our top 10 pick Oliver to lots of less playing time

 

If you think it negates Oliver's playing time and McBeane feels the way you do...............

 

I guess Jones won't be the big fish.

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Just now, njbuff said:

 

If you think it negates Oliver's playing time and McBeane feels the way you do...............

 

I guess Jones won't be the big fish.

I mean I really love Oliver and think he can be a stud... But Jones is much better than him at this point, super underrated

 

I think it would be hard for Oliver to crack the starting lineup if he had to beat out Chris Jones

 

We do run a rotation and of course the goal is better players but Jones will get a big contract and I think Oliver will in 3 years.. so they kinda overlap

 

 

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26 minutes ago, njbuff said:

The Bills had Star restructure his contract and the Bills look like they are letting Phillips walk.

 

I bet McBeane wants to make a really good D elite by signing Jones.

 

I don't know if KC can/will franchise, but if they do...............

 

what I just typed above is absolute gibberish.

 

But I do think that Chris Jones is the one that McBeane go out and spend the money on.

 

What do you think?

End of the day your not beating good teams with guys like Murphy at DE,  cut him and that saves us 8 mill,  you add another 10 to that and pay around 18-20 million.  He can be a difference maker,  guys like Trent Murphy get you beat,  I AM ALL FOR IT !

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While I wish this were the case, I don't believe it is.

First, you have Beane's comments about not wanting to set the market again this year, which they would DEFINITELY be doing if they signed Chris Jones.

Second, they didn't draft Ed Oliver in the top 10 last year just to hand out a record setting contract to a player at the same position the very next offseason. It doesn't make any sense.

IF the Bills hand out big money in free agency, I'd be willing to bet it's to an edge rusher like Ngakoue or Clowney, and even that I sort of doubt. 

None of this is a reflection on what I WANT to happen, because Jones is a beast and I'd love for him to be a Bill. I just don't see it happening.

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I think it's highly unlikely but this is something I would love to be wrong about.  After watching San Francisco's defense's this past season it's absolutely a must to improve our front four if McD wants to be one of those teams that is carried by its defense.

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After watching Beane's post season press conference, I didn't come away thinking Beane was going to do a big $ free agent signing.  If they re-sign Shaq, that may be the biggest contract this off season imo.

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I think Beane is too smart to go all in with huge amounts of cash on one player. I’m not a fan of spending big bucks on top free agents, unless you literally have every other piece in place. Even in that rare circumstance, many teams have invested greatly in one player, only to find out he wasn’t the missing piece. Build through the draft, and make smart free agent singings. Only teams with an elite QB should ever dabble in the world of big money free agency imo. 

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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Doesn’t help our pass rush which is needed

it does not exclude helping out the pass rush either.
You may have noticed we had issue against the run last year ?

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34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Jones is a monster but he isn't lining up  at D end in McDermott's base 43 

 

And this would pretty much negate our top 10 pick Oliver to lots of less playing time

 

Exactly. He plays the same position as the guy they just spent the #9 pick on. Not. Happening. 

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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Doesn’t help our pass rush which is needed

I don't want us to sign him for other reasons, but he's literally the best pass rushing DT in the league not named Aaron Donald. To say he wouldn't help our pass rush is just ignorant.

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Right idea, wrong position, IMO. I just can't understand people wanting to reduce the #snaps for Oliver or Singletary in their sophmore seasons. Makes no sense.

 

We need game changers and I don't care how we get them.

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1 hour ago, Gambit said:

While I'd love having him,  I don't see how that helps our pass rush out seeing as we still would need a DE. Unless I'm mistaken but he is a DT, correct?

 

DTs absolutely help the pass rush by crushing the pocket and allowing the end rushers to converge on the QB.

 

Jones' is a great player but I doubt they'd ever concentrate that much of the cap on the interior DL, however...

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46 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

I don't want us to sign him for other reasons, but he's literally the best pass rushing DT in the league not named Aaron Donald. To say he wouldn't help our pass rush is just ignorant.

 

He is. And you are right, he would.

 

Just for comparison's sake... (and directed at the thread rather than at @gobills404) Chris Jones rookie season he had fewer tackles, fewer sacks and the same number of TFL as Ed's rookie year. 

 

The only one of the premier 3 techs in the NFL who really out performed Ed as a rookie is Aaron Donald. That just gives you an idea of where Ed's ceiling might be. He isn't Aaron Donald but he could be in that conversation with the likes of Chris Jones and Fletcher Cox and Kawaan Short etc. 

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I think Oliver and Harrison Phillips with Star and a mid to late draft pick being the DTs. If anything we spend on DE. 

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Chris Jones rookie season, 28 combined tackles, 2 sacks, and 4 pass deflections.

Ed Oliver rookie year, 43 combined  tackles 5 sacks 1 forced fumble

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