The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[WEATHER DOT COM]

11 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-trump-rally-source-coronavirus-tulsa-20200708-mqas2uv2bfgchh6rcqqd65zsty-story.html

 

• NATION & WORLD

Tulsa Trump rally ‘likely’ source of spike in new COVID-19 cases, health official says

 

 

BY SEAN MURPHY

ASSOCIATED PRESS |

JUL 08, 2020 AT 8:47 PM

 

 

 

 

President Donald Trump's campaign rally in Tulsa in late June that drew thousands of participants and large protests "likely contributed" to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday.

Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., June 20, 2020. Tulsa health officials say the rally “likely contributed" to the city's new surge in new coronavirus cases.

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(Doug Mills/The New York Times)

Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who could have predicted that? 

[shoshin]

16 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-trump-rally-source-coronavirus-tulsa-20200708-mqas2uv2bfgchh6rcqqd65zsty-story.html

 

• NATION & WORLD

Tulsa Trump rally ‘likely’ source of spike in new COVID-19 cases, health official says

 

 

BY SEAN MURPHY

ASSOCIATED PRESS |

JUL 08, 2020 AT 8:47 PM

 

 

 

 

President Donald Trump's campaign rally in Tulsa in late June that drew thousands of participants and large protests "likely contributed" to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday.

Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., June 20, 2020. Tulsa health officials say the rally “likely contributed" to the city's new surge in new coronavirus cases.

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(Doug Mills/The New York Times)

Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday

 

Dodged a bullet by not filling the place. 

 

[Taraka]

10 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

Who could have predicted that? 

It will happen in S Dakota also. Arrogance and stupidity personified in a President and his followers. Hopefully no deaths occur.

[Chef Jim]

9 minutes ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

It will happen in S Dakota also. Arrogance and stupidity personified in a President and his followers. Hopefully no deaths occur.

What are your thoughts about the protests? 

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

What are your thoughts about the protests? 

Silly man, protesters (rioters, looters, vandals, etc) are immune from COVID-19. It is only those icky Trump supporters that get it at large gatherings. 

[shoshin]

13 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

What are your thoughts about the protests? 

 

Not much of a rise from them in most places.

 

Maybe the masks helped. Go figure.

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

Not much of a rise from them in most places.

 

Maybe the masks helped. Go figure.

or maybe, just maybe, the areas where the peak had already occured, not much of a rise.

 

But those areas where the virus was just starting? Like texas, Florida, and Arizona and California? Maybe it helped fuel the explosion in cases

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-trump-rally-source-coronavirus-tulsa-20200708-mqas2uv2bfgchh6rcqqd65zsty-story.html

 

• NATION & WORLD

Tulsa Trump rally ‘likely’ source of spike in new COVID-19 cases, health official says

 

 

BY SEAN MURPHY

ASSOCIATED PRESS |

JUL 08, 2020 AT 8:47 PM

 

 

 

 

President Donald Trump's campaign rally in Tulsa in late June that drew thousands of participants and large protests "likely contributed" to a dramatic surge in new coronavirus cases, Tulsa City-County Health Department Director Dr. Bruce Dart said Wednesday.

Trump speaks at a campaign rally in Tulsa, Okla., June 20, 2020. Tulsa health officials say the rally “likely contributed" to the city's new surge in new coronavirus cases.

...

MORE

(Doug Mills/The New York Times)

Tulsa County reported 261 confirmed new cases on Monday, a one-day record high, and another 206 cases on Tuesday. By comparison, during the week before the June 20 Trump rally, there were 76 cases on Monday and 96 on Tuesday

 

 

 

 

 

 

just curious...do you have any idea on the age of the new positives?

 

Also, was there any other events in the area during that week? I have no idea, but assume tyou are saying no other events took place in Tulsa in the days around the rally. From your article

 

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Although the health department’s policy is to not publicly identify individual settings where people may have contracted the virus, Dart said those large gatherings “more than likely” contributed to the spike.

 

[Taraka]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

just curious...do you have any idea on the age of the new positives?

 

Also, was there any other events in the area during that week? I have no idea, but assume tyou are saying no other events took place in Tulsa in the days around the rally. From your article

 

 

https://www.tulsa-health.org/COVID19 look at the graph it is an astounding increase in time with the Trump rally.     Other information included as well.

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Silly man, protesters (rioters, looters, vandals, etc) are immune from COVID-19. It is only those icky Trump supporters that get it at large gatherings. 

indoor venue with no social distancing and few masks in evidence. But keep to your narrative that he was right to hold a rally in Tulsa. 

[Taraka]

another link https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tulsa-health-department-says-contact-tracers-inundated-as-city-hits-a-new-single-day-case-high/ar-BB16vl8z?li=BBnb7Kz

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

another link https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tulsa-health-department-says-contact-tracers-inundated-as-city-hits-a-new-single-day-case-high/ar-BB16vl8z?li=BBnb7Kz

Sorry - your audience only accepts reports from REDSTATE.COM - you’re wasting your time.

[Taraka]

https://time.com/5864434/tulsa-trump-rally-coronavirus-surge/

There are no winners here. It was reckless to hold an indoor rally, discourage social distancing and the wearing of masks. I hope being outdoors prevents such an upsurge in S Dakota.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

 Might be new noemal now. Sorry everyone. But in unite most counries need to blame China for there *****.People can call me out but I think might be new normal on how to live things. ***** china. President Trump, democrats, Republicans whatever  everyone in this world needs to blame them. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Buffalo Bills Fan

[Magox]

4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

or maybe, just maybe, the areas where the peak had already occured, not much of a rise.

 

But those areas where the virus was just starting? Like texas, Florida, and Arizona and California? Maybe it helped fuel the explosion in cases

 

Of course the protests played a significant part of the virus transmission.  Anyone relying on mainstream outlets to tell them that they didn’t is a fool.   It’s not a coincidence that the spread of the virus is most prevalent in the cities that had the protests, the same demographic as those that attended the virus right at the time after the virus..  there were over 25,000 BLM protests throughout the country and we are to believe that it didn’t play a role?  The media thinks we’re stupid and apparently there are some dumbasses on this board that buy into it.
 

With that said, this whole thing is wildly overblown and the level of deaths that are occurring and will most likely rise to when things are put into proper context doesn’t merit the amount of hysteria that that the media is portraying.  
 

In the county that I live in Florida with a population of over 600k, everyone is going about their lives normally.   People know that they aren’t at hardly any risk at all of dying from this flu.  The only difference between now and 6 months ago is that you have some shops that aren’t open that we’re open before and there are people wearing masks.

 

I said we would bottom out at 500 deaths per day with the 7 day moving average and that is pretty much exactly what would happen.  That it would start going up this week and that is what is happening.  That contact tracing would never work over here the way they thought it would because the infections were way too high for that to happen and that is exactly what happened.  That the IFR would be somewhere around .25% to .5% and it looks like it is much closer to .25%.   This was when most people thought it was over 1%.  That virus transmission was very low for children to other children and adults comparatively to adults.

 

Deaths are going to rise over the next 4-6 weeks.  Then it will head back down and make lower lows in deaths than before.  I expect deaths to average 7 day moving average to go anywhere from 700-900 deaths per day 7 day moving average.  And then head back lower and get down to 250-400 in September sometime.   
 

Places like New York City most likely won’t have any real re emergence of the virus, I don’t believe.  I think they reached  a “burnout”  level of infections.  Basically a herd sort of immunity.  Other heavily infected areas such as Houston, Los Angeles, Miami and a few other cities will most likely reach something similar To New York.   Not quite the level of New York but those cities and others will have communities that have a propensity to spread the virus more so than others that will have burnt out.   
 

I do think that this is setting us up to have a better fall than what I was fearing.  Better to get this stuff out of the way now than in late fall when the common flu will come back again.  
 

 

[plenzmd1]

4 hours ago, ~Kostabi~ said:

another link https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/tulsa-health-department-says-contact-tracers-inundated-as-city-hits-a-new-single-day-case-high/ar-BB16vl8z?li=BBnb7Kz

Did you read this piece?

 

When asked if the cases in Tulsa are going up due to the rally on June 20, Dart said that there were several large events a little over two weeks ago.

 

Bynum said that ordering masks for employees at bars and restaurants has helped the Tulsa Health Department with their contact tracing by showing them what the leading contributors are to cases in the Tulsa area. 

 

hmm, so in first paragraph there are indications of several events that took place in Tulsa, now 18 days ago as the article points out and incubation tone is 3-14 days. 
 

also says their contract tracers are swamped and working overtime. If Trump rally alone caused the infection, pretty damn easy to spot that no?

 

and last paragraph states they are ordering  masks at bars and restaurants as they understand leading contributors to cases rising. 
 

hmm, all that and all ya had to do was read.  

 

 

 

[shoshin]

8 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

or maybe, just maybe, the areas where the peak had already occured, not much of a rise.

 

But those areas where the virus was just starting? Like texas, Florida, and Arizona and California? Maybe it helped fuel the explosion in cases

 

Could be. I've proposed that too. But MN never had a peak before the protests and they were one of the epicenters. Seattle another one that never peaked (they got hit first but controlled it very fast). 

 

Large numbers and not in a study (the people who took the test self-selected so you'd expect them to be higher than the general pop) but interesting:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-antibodies.html

 

At a clinic in Corona, a working-class neighborhood in Queens, more than 68 percent of people tested positive for antibodies to the new coronavirus. At another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens, that number was 56 percent. But at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn, only 13 percent of people tested positive for antibodies.

 

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As of June 26, CityMD had administered about 314,000 antibody tests in New York City. Citywide, 26 percent of the tests came back positive.

Edited July 9, 2020 by shoshin

[shoshin]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

Did you read this piece?

 

When asked if the cases in Tulsa are going up due to the rally on June 20, Dart said that there were several large events a little over two weeks ago.

 

Bynum said that ordering masks for employees at bars and restaurants has helped the Tulsa Health Department with their contact tracing by showing them what the leading contributors are to cases in the Tulsa area. 

 

hmm, so in first paragraph there are indications of several events that took place in Tulsa, now 18 days ago as the article points out and incubation tone is 3-14 days. 
 

also says their contract tracers are swamped and working overtime. If Trump rally alone caused the infection, pretty damn easy to spot that no?

 

and last paragraph states they are ordering  masks at bars and restaurants as they understand leading contributors to cases rising. 
 

hmm, all that and all ya had to do was read.  

 

 

 

 

Trump staff don't even think the protests lead to cases and then complain that when cases rose after the Trump rally, the media is to blame? Also some cute disingenuousness on the campaign providing masks (that no one wore) and no mention of them removing social distancing stickers from chairs in the Tulsa arena. 

 

Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told CNN, "There were literally no health precautions to speak of as thousands looted, rioted, and protested in the streets and the media reported that it did not lead to a rise in coronavirus cases. Meanwhile, the President's rally was 18 days ago, all attendees had their temperature checked, everyone was provided a mask, and there was plenty of hand sanitizer available for all. It's obvious that the media's concern about large gatherings begins and ends with Trump rallies." 

 

Murtaugh provided a link to CNN reporting on research suggesting that Black Lives Matter protests across the country did not lead to a jump in coronavirus cases.

Edited July 9, 2020 by shoshin

[LB3]

[shoshin]

1 minute ago, LB3 said:

 

Wrong thread. 

[LB3]

1 minute ago, shoshin said:

 

Wrong thread. 

Pretty pertinent here too.

[plenzmd1]

46 minutes ago, shoshin said:

 

Trump staff don't even think the protests lead to cases and then complain that when cases rose after the Trump rally, the media is to blame? Also some cute disingenuousness on the campaign providing masks (that no one wore) and no mention of them removing social distancing stickers from chairs in the Tulsa arena. 

 

Trump campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told CNN, "There were literally no health precautions to speak of as thousands looted, rioted, and protested in the streets and the media reported that it did not lead to a rise in coronavirus cases. Meanwhile, the President's rally was 18 days ago, all attendees had their temperature checked, everyone was provided a mask, and there was plenty of hand sanitizer available for all. It's obvious that the media's concern about large gatherings begins and ends with Trump rallies." 

 

Murtaugh provided a link to CNN reporting on research suggesting that Black Lives Matter protests across the country did not lead to a jump in coronavirus cases.

The point being that the authorities in Tulsa state there was several large gatherings besides the Trump rally, they have contract tracers working like crazy and as a result of those contract tracers they are requiring restaurant and BAR employees to wear masks. 
 

does that scream a  “ superspreader” event? No, it does not. Cause just like we have learned about choir practice etc being a super spreading event, we would know in a flat minute if contract tracing pointed to the Trump rally being one.
 

BTW, as I said at the time, we should have paid those people to attend and become part of an experiment on how the virus spread at an event with some scale indoors. I would love to see numbers related to that to further our understanding in that front.   

[Tiberius]

U.S. sets another daily record for coronavirus infections

[Magox]

8 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

or maybe, just maybe, the areas where the peak had already occured, not much of a rise.

 

But those areas where the virus was just starting? Like texas, Florida, and Arizona and California? Maybe it helped fuel the explosion in cases

 

I didn’t see this post until now.  Yep!

 

Pretty much what I brought up earlier.  There is no doubt that the protests throughout the country played a significant role in the transmission of the virus.   If the protests had been right wing protests and there had been thousands of protests with tens of millions of protesters throughout the country, who happened to be the exact same demographic who is infected the most, primarily in the cities they were protesting in right about at the same time when you’d expect the infections to rise, the media would have denounced the right wing protests AS THE REASON for the spread.  There would have been literally stories written every day about it in every major news outlet.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/07/03/us/george-floyd-protests-crowd-size.html
 

-Four recent polls — including one released this week by Civis Analytics, a data science firm that works with businesses and Democratic campaigns — suggest that about 15 million to 26 million people in the United States have participated in demonstrations over the death of —

 

 

Police Officers who were policing the protests and riots throughout the country are reporting significant increases in infections and they attribute it to the protests.     
 

The media doesn’t want to make the correlation between the two because they aren’t honest and they don’t want to criticize a cause they stand for and they don’t dare get in the way of the mob or they could lose their jobs.

 

The public just goes along with anything that they say without using an iota of common sense or the ability to critically think for themselves and put two and two together.   

 

 

 

 

[Tommy Callahan]

So never mind the HUGE Junteenth celebration in Tulsa the day before the trump rally.

 

https://www.tulsajuneteenth.org/

 

I don't see a mask in the place

 

 

[Tiberius]

No leadership out of Washington at all for this crisis. He’s just a cruel joke 

[Tommy Callahan]

26 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

U.S. sets another daily record for coronavirus infections

US sets another daily record low for covid deaths.

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Chris farley

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Oklahoma, where the pandemic comes sweepin' down the plain,

 

 

the same story but with today's date.  

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-rally-contributed-surge-covd-19-cases-tulsa/story?id=71680180

 

"In the past few days, we've seen almost 500 new cases, and we had several large events just over two weeks ago, so I guess we just connect the dots," Dart said at a press conference.

 

Dunkirk Don, Is that you? 

 

 

 

Did I misread some posts? 

 

Idiots continue to get infected Keeping America in LOCK DOWN.  but hey since not that many are dying it's OK? 

 

LMAO .

 

[SoCal Deek]

Yesterday, Wednesday, saw two states top triple digit Covid deaths (CA and TX). Over half the country was in single digits or zero. Having read through the last couple of pages before posting my daily report it seems many if not most of you are desperately trying to make this political but I’m hard pressed to find the common threads. For example Minnesota and DC, the sites of so much protesting a month ago have seen no rise in deaths. Oklahoma, the site of the Trump rally had a grand total of THREE deaths yesterday. Florida still has lots of new cases but a very low fatality rate. And California which has a huge population and a 100% democratic leadership now leads in fatalities but is not even in the same universe as the NY metro area. And finally....NY which has opened up again is seeing record low fatalities. People! This is a virus. It’s doing what viruses do. It’s moving into areas that haven’t seen infections until now, but for some reason is WAY LESS fatal. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by SoCal Deek

[Tiberius]

11 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

US sets another daily record low for covid deaths.

 

 

800 deaths yesterday 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

16 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

So never mind the HUGE Junteenth celebration in Tulsa the day before the trump rally.

 

https://www.tulsajuneteenth.org/

 

I don't see a mask in the place

 

 

 

There was not a Juneteenth event in 2020. Those pictures are from 2019. Directly from the link you posted...

 

On behalf of the Tulsa Juneteenth Inc. Board of Directors and the collaborative Planning Committee, we would like to extend a heart-felt thank you for your commitment to making Tulsa Juneteenth 2019 a successful event.

 

Due to CDC recommendations to prevent spreading COVID-19, and uncertainty about large public gatherings in the near term, the Tulsa Juneteenth Planning Committee has made the difficult decision to postpone the annual Juneteenth celebration to June 18-20, 2021.

While Juneteenth commemorates African American freedom, emphasizes education, and celebrates the rich heritage of Greenwood, the new health precautions and need for social distancing has limited our ability to create a multi-arts experience that will be safe for our audience.

 

Although we cannot celebrate in person this year, we encourage everyone to use #IAMJUNETEENTH and #TulsaTogether to share how you plan to honor Juneteenth while social distancing.

3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

California which has a huge population and a 100% democratic leadership

 

Not sure this is 100% accurate

[Tiberius]

Just now, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

There was not a Juneteenth event in 2020. Those pictures are from 2019. Directly from the link you posted...

 

On behalf of the Tulsa Juneteenth Inc. Board of Directors and the collaborative Planning Committee, we would like to extend a heart-felt thank you for your commitment to making Tulsa Juneteenth 2019 a successful event.

 

Due to CDC recommendations to prevent spreading COVID-19, and uncertainty about large public gatherings in the near term, the Tulsa Juneteenth Planning Committee has made the difficult decision to postpone the annual Juneteenth celebration to June 18-20, 2021.

 

While Juneteenth commemorates African American freedom, emphasizes education, and celebrates the rich heritage of Greenwood, the new health precautions and need for social distancing has limited our ability to create a multi-arts experience that will be safe for our audience.

 

Although we cannot celebrate in person this year, we encourage everyone to use #IAMJUNETEENTH and #TulsaTogether to share how you plan to honor Juneteenth while social distancing.

Trump and his supporters get a happy feeling lying. It’s a little fun game for them 

[WEATHER DOT COM]

Just now, Tiberius said:

Trump and his supporters get a happy feeling lying. It’s a little fun game for them 

 

Quick to condemn Juneteenth without even reading what is in the link... not shocked judging by many of the things I have seen on this forum.

[Kemp]

No second wave coming because Trump and his supporters made sure the first wave never ended.

[Tommy Callahan]

12 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

800 deaths yesterday 

501

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

6 minutes ago, Kemp said:

No second wave coming because Trump and his supporters made sure the first wave never ended.

Oh brother! Nice try Einstein. The virus is indeed moving in waves. The entire nation was never going to get infected at one time! This is spread from person to person. It’s not seeded from the clouds. And this has NOTHING to do with the President, no matter who the president currently happens to be.

[Buffalo_Gal]

13 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

There was not a Juneteenth event in 2020. Those pictures are from 2019. Directly from the link you posted...

 

On behalf of the Tulsa Juneteenth Inc. Board of Directors and the collaborative Planning Committee, we would like to extend a heart-felt thank you for your commitment to making Tulsa Juneteenth 2019 a successful event.

 

Due to CDC recommendations to prevent spreading COVID-19, and uncertainty about large public gatherings in the near term, the Tulsa Juneteenth Planning Committee has made the difficult decision to postpone the annual Juneteenth celebration to June 18-20, 2021.

 

While Juneteenth commemorates African American freedom, emphasizes education, and celebrates the rich heritage of Greenwood, the new health precautions and need for social distancing has limited our ability to create a multi-arts experience that will be safe for our audience.

 

Although we cannot celebrate in person this year, we encourage everyone to use #IAMJUNETEENTH and #TulsaTogether to share how you plan to honor Juneteenth while social distancing.

 

Not sure this is 100% accurate

Tulsa’s official Juneteenth celebration is postponed this year, but there are a few other independent celebrations that are still set to happen.

7 local events listed, including block parties, a music and merchandise event downtown, Reverend Al showed up at one event, more at the link.

 

[Tommy Callahan]

30 minutes ago, wAcKy ZeBrA said:

 

There was not a Juneteenth event in 2020. Those pictures are from 2019. Directly from the link you posted...

 

On behalf of the Tulsa Juneteenth Inc. Board of Directors and the collaborative Planning Committee, we would like to extend a heart-felt thank you for your commitment to making Tulsa Juneteenth 2019 a successful event.

 

Due to CDC recommendations to prevent spreading COVID-19, and uncertainty about large public gatherings in the near term, the Tulsa Juneteenth Planning Committee has made the difficult decision to postpone the annual Juneteenth celebration to June 18-20, 2021.

 

While Juneteenth commemorates African American freedom, emphasizes education, and celebrates the rich heritage of Greenwood, the new health precautions and need for social distancing has limited our ability to create a multi-arts experience that will be safe for our audience.

 

Although we cannot celebrate in person this year, we encourage everyone to use #IAMJUNETEENTH and #TulsaTogether to share how you plan to honor Juneteenth while social distancing.

 

Not sure this is 100% accurate

Welp.  Here is another link for this years celebration, including Sharptons speech

 

https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/rev-al-sharpton-challenges-trump-to-deal-with-racism-juneteenth-organizers-say-sharpton-got-death/article_7ac8f8a8-dde1-5ddf-b1fa-3b56c6c70b50.html

 

 

[Gary M]

10 hours ago, shoshin said:

 

Not much of a rise from them in most places.

 

Maybe the masks helped. Go figure.

 

• New York City contact tracers have been instructed not to ask New Yorkers if they've attended any protests, The City reported

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-contact-tracers-not-asking-people-attend-george-floyd-protest-2020-6?amp&fbclid=IwAR0sAfNqYJWelJDqsJYdvr8EV32AwgI5MmjV1XtofUSQDlBppmHqQPEsS80

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Oh brother! Nice try Einstein. The virus is indeed moving in waves. The entire nation was never going to get infected at one time! This is spread from person to person. It’s not seeded from the clouds. And this has NOTHING to do with the President, no matter who the president currently happens to be.

Oh no no no. If there was anyone other than Trump they would have these numbers magically reduced.  People don’t understand that one of the main reasons we have more cases (other than the likely reason that we test more) is that because of the freedoms we have. People are suspicious of government. They don’t like to be told what to do. A mandatory federal mask order would have done virtually nothing.  Well it would have prompted people to call Trump a dictator for circumventing States Rights. ?

[Gary M]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

U.S. sets another daily record for coronavirus infections

 

So what!

Green is recovered (91.17%), orange is fatality (8.83%)

Edited July 9, 2020 by Gary M