The Next Pandemic: SARS-CoV-2/COVID-19

[Kemp]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

report that Jared Kushner may not be the organizational genius we’ve been led to believe:

The coronavirus response being spearheaded by President Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has relied in part on volunteers from consulting and private equity firms with little expertise in the tasks to which they were assigned, exacerbating chronic problems in obtaining supplies for hospitals and other needs, according to numerous government officials and a volunteer involved in the effort.

About two dozen employees from Boston Consulting Group, Insight, McKinsey and other firms have volunteered their time — some on paid vacation leave from their jobs and others without pay — to aid the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus pandemic, according to administration officials and others familiar with the arrangement.

Although some of the volunteers have relevant backgrounds and experience, many others were poorly matched with the jobs they were assigned, including those given the task of securing personal protective equipment, or PPE, for hospitals nationwide, according to a complaint filed last month with the House Oversight Committee.

 

Who said he was a genius of any kind?

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

 

Two vocal Dem donors?

 

UV Rays?

 

Joe Biden?

 

Tin foil?

 

 

1.) The two folks in Arizona that toasted the resistance with fish tank cleaner were, in fact, Dem donors (and police are investigating if the wife did this to murder her husband.)

 

2.) UV rays do, in fact kill the virus. The CDC investigated it. It kills alot of germs, bacteria, and yes, viruses. Hospitals have been using UV light to sanitize for decades.

 

3.) Joe Biden's recent verbal gaffes are well known. He really should be at home enjoying time with his grandkids. The whole debacle has evolved from pathetic, to just plain sad.

 

4.) You said tin foil, not ID BillzFan.

[Kemp]

6 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

You don't believe 70,000 Americans have died from coronavirus over the last 6-8 weeks? 

 

They haven't died. They're hired actors. Trump’s friend, Alex Jones said so.

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 Died? Yes.  From COVID-19? Maybe not.

Remember, a while back cause of death started attributing "with" COVID-19 to meaning "from" COVID-19. Which is not the same thing at all. The numbers are skewed, which is not helpful for many reasons including future modeling.

 

 

By your logic, no one has ever died of cancer, because they didn't die until their heart stopped. This whole cancer thing is fake news.

5 hours ago, Gary M said:

 

Did we flatten the curve?

 

Then Mission accomplished

 

 

If you flatten the curve at 500 deaths a day forever, that's mission accomplished?

[Foxx]

3 hours ago, snafu said:

... We aren’t baby birds in a nest with our mouths open to the sky.

 

 

 

though, the poster in question would have you believe that that is all any of us are.

[Kemp]

4 hours ago, meazza said:

 

Here is why you fail in your analysis:

 

1) The Spanish flu was very bad for healthy young people and extremely devestating for pregnant women and their unborn children.

2) The Spanish flu was during a period of war therefore most people were probably having a hard time getting food, medicine and water based.

3) The technology differences between 1918 and today are obviously exponentially different.

 

I heard we burned people during the plague to flatten the curve.  Do you want to do that?

 

The probable reason for young people getting hit worse during the Spanish Flu is that older people had probably already been through it.

4 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

cloth masks aren't intended to keep you from gettgin sick. They are intended for you to not leave respiratory particles in public spaces if you are sick. And since you can have the virus and have no symptoms, it's not about virtue signally at all. It's about giving a ***** about other people. 

 

You're trying to argue with people who don't care about other people.

[Foxx]

interesting read today, thanks.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

Maybe you skipped over the whole string of douche baggery and cult like responses leading up to it. 

Don’t be a victim, this is a safe space for all.  

[Foxx]

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1258039342246887426

 

[Magox]

More on asymptotic carriers at another prison facility.
 

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The Tennessee Department of Correction confirmed the positive cases on Friday. Out of the 2,450 total tests, more than 1,300 staff and inmates tested positive. 

According to the state, analysis of the test results confirmed that 98% of those who tested positive are asymptomatic. 

CoreCivic gave a break down of the testing results as follows: 

Inmate testing

• Total tested: 2,444
• Total negative results: 1,145
• Total positive results: 1,299
• Pending tests: 13

Staff testing

• Total tested: 281
• Total negative results: 192
• Total positive results: 50
• Pending tests: 39

 

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98% showing no symptoms!

 

For me, these anecdotal accounts are very telling, and they reinforce for me a few things:

 

1) That the Virus is much more widespread than believed and the serology antibody studies have it right.   We are probably talking Nationally anywhere from x15 to x30 what the confirm infection rate.   This particular sample size of over 1300 suggests x40 to x50

 

2) That the true mortality rate is most likely anywhere between .2% - .4%.  And that those under age 60 have an even considerably lower mortality rate of that.  Probably somewhere around to the .07% - .12% range.   And if they have less than 2 comorbidities even lower than that.

 

3) That contact tracing will be used much more effectively on a targeted basis.  Areas that are deemed at higher risk and frontline “essential” workers.   
 

4) That we just need to accept the virus is going to be with us until we reach herd immunity and/or have a vaccine.   Protect the most vulnerable, have therapeutics in place for them And that the vast majority of people will be able to fight this off.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Kemp said:

If you flatten the curve at 500 deaths a day forever, that's mission accomplished?

What?

[Doc Brown]

57 minutes ago, Kemp said:

The probable reason for young people getting hit worse during the Spanish Flu is that older people had probably already been through it.

Huh?

 

 

[billsfan1959]

39 minutes ago, Kemp said:

You're trying to argue with people who don't care about other people.

 

You are a walking cliché of left wing, self-annointed enlightenment springing from a delusional sense of moral and intellectual superiority.

 

[Doc Brown]

10 minutes ago, Magox said:

More on asymptotic carriers at another prison facility.
 

——————

 

The Tennessee Department of Correction confirmed the positive cases on Friday. Out of the 2,450 total tests, more than 1,300 staff and inmates tested positive. 

According to the state, analysis of the test results confirmed that 98% of those who tested positive are asymptomatic. 

CoreCivic gave a break down of the testing results as follows: 

Inmate testing

• Total tested: 2,444
• Total negative results: 1,145
• Total positive results: 1,299
• Pending tests: 13

Staff testing

• Total tested: 281
• Total negative results: 192
• Total positive results: 50
• Pending tests: 39

 

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98% showing no symptoms!

 

For me, these anecdotal accounts are very telling, and they reinforce for me a few things:

 

1) That the Virus is much more widespread than believed and the serology antibody studies have it right.   We are probably talking Nationally anywhere from x15 to x30 what the confirm infection rate.   This particular sample size of over 1300 suggests x40 to x50

 

2) That the true mortality rate is most likely anywhere between .2% - .4%.  And that those under age 60 have an even considerably lower mortality rate of that.  Probably somewhere around to the .07% - .12% range.   And if they have less than 2 comorbidities even lower than that.

 

3) That contact tracing will be used much more effectively on a targeted basis.  Areas that are deemed at higher risk and frontline “essential” workers.   
 

4) That we just need to accept the virus is going to be with us until we reach herd immunity and/or have a vaccine.   Protect the most vulnerable, have therapeutics in place for them And that the vast majority of people will be able to fight this off.

I wonder how many tested were still in the incubation period.  I hope they follow up on it.

[Magox]

14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

I wonder how many tested were still in the incubation period.  I hope they follow up on it.

 

Did you see the pork plant and other 4 prisons that showed similar findings that I posted a couple pages back?

 

 

Also, this is fascinating as well:

 

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• Early look at data from 100 New York hospitals shows that 66% of new admissions related to the virus are people who were at home, Cuomo said. 

 

“This is a surprise: Overwhelmingly, the people were at home,” he added. “We thought maybe they were taking public transportation, and we’ve taken special precautions on public transportation, but actually no, because these people were literally at home.”

Cuomo said nearly 84% of the hospitalized cases were people who were not commuting to work through car services, personal cars, public transit or walking. He said a majority of those people were either retired or unemployed. Overall, some 73% of the admissions were people over age 51. 

He said the information shows that those who are hospitalized are predominantly from the downstate area in or around New York City, are not working or traveling and are not essential employees. He also said a majority of the cases in New York City are minorities, with nearly half being African American or Hispanic. 
 

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While data shows the coronavirus is on the decline in New York, the new survey results appear to clash with Cuomo’s prior assurances that isolation can reliably prevent transmission.

 

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You can’t make as many assumptions that you think you may be able to out of this because the data is very incomplete.   But I do believe there is one major one which I think is becoming evidently clear.  Draconian Shut down measures help mitigate to a degree but not nearly as much as they had hoped.   And that in retrospect this whole shut down was not the right way to go about it, at least not outside of the densely populated areas.   And that the evidence is mounting that as a nation we should be relaxing the measures in place and get people back to more normalcy.
 

 

 

I just hope that lessons are learned for the future when this happens again. 

Edited May 7, 2020 by Magox

[shoshin]

Isolation in Nyc does not resemble isolation in Orchard Park. 

[Justice]

7 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You don't find it DEEPLY troubling that CBS news is faking stories to hype the fear? Isn't that the opposite of their mandate as journalists? 

 

Add this to the litany of fake stories pushed by CBS and others over just the past few years and you start to see a clear and inarguable pattern of deception designed to make you AFRAID so others can CONTROL you. 

* "Iraq has WMD! We must invade lest the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud!" (how did that work out?)

* "The US Government is not spying on American citizens illegally" (oops)

* "Russia and Trump worked together to steal the 2016 election!" (oops)

 

The media is not your friend. It's not an ally of truth. It's a mechanism of control -- and you have two choices. Either wake up and resist that control, or succumb to it and turn off your independent thinking and let yourself become comfortable in bondage. 

Troubling indeed. I’ve never been the type to believe the news. My posting history here should

attest to that. My question to you is one can not assume this is new but why are we finally hearing about it now? Why didn’t all the past presidents expose it? Is there a deeper conspiracy?

 

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

What isn’t being said here is they’re investigating why their tests are coming up with such odd results. No mention of where they got their testing kits from. 
 

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

You sure about that? 

 

 

He’s talking out of both sides of his mouth here. I don’t trust this guy. 

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, Magox said:

Did you see the pork plant and other 4 prisons that showed similar findings that I posted a couple pages back?

I just did and there seemed to be no follow up studies on any of them regarding possible incubation period.  Nevertheless, it's just more evidence it's highly contagious, asymptomatic to most people who contract it, and we're pry closer to herd immunity than we realize.  It should give policy makers more incentive to open things up as quickly as possible.

[Buffalo_Gal]

5 minutes ago, Justice said:

He’s talking out of both sides of his mouth here. I don’t trust this guy. 

 

You are not alone.

 

[Motorin']

41 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

You are a walking cliché of left wing, self-annointed enlightenment springing from a delusional sense of moral and intellectual superiority.

 

As opposed to the walking cliché of right wing, bitter criticism springing from a delusional sense of moral and intellectual superiority? 

[Kemp]

2 hours ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

1.) The two folks in Arizona that toasted the resistance with fish tank cleaner were, in fact, Dem donors (and police are investigating if the wife did this to murder her husband.)

 

2.) UV rays do, in fact kill the virus. The CDC investigated it. It kills alot of germs, bacteria, and yes, viruses. Hospitals have been using UV light to sanitize for decades.

 

3.) Joe Biden's recent verbal gaffes are well known. He really should be at home enjoying time with his grandkids. The whole debacle has evolved from pathetic, to just plain sad.

 

4.) You said tin foil, not ID BillzFan.

 

1. Haven't seen that. Do you have a link?

2. Only one kind of UV light works. UVC.

3. COVFEFE

4.

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

What?

 

Flattening a curve is merely the first step. It can still go up again and even if it flattens, if it doesn't go down, it's not mission accomplished.