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I believe it will he edge rusher.

 

In his press conference he really got a bit more detailed about how there’s not enough elite pass rushers for each team in the league and how important a position it is. 
 

I think they realize the defense could be do for a slight regression, and that edge is one of the few places they could make a splash that would change that defense around overnight. 
 

I also believe there’s better money to be spent on the edge position than any in free agency. Ngakoue, Clowney, Vic Beasley, Dante Fowler, hell Jason Pierre-Paul had 8.5 sacks in 10 games. Robert Quinn, Mario Addison... etc etc. 

 

 

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Probably right . Then maybe TE and OL. Not a ton of quality there at WR, so it will likely have to be a trade situation there to get immediate help. They still need to draft a WR, but they’ve got a bit need there and just a draft pick won’t cover it. 

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I hope it’s OL. Upgrade needed

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1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Probably right . Then maybe TE and OL. Not a ton of quality there at WR, so it will likely have to be a trade situation there to get immediate help. They still need to draft a WR, but they’ve got a bit need there and just a draft pick won’t cover it. 

I think they might throw an offer at Hooper, but if they can’t get him, I don’t really see any other guys being big upgrades. 
Ebron drops as many as Knox.

Henry is hurt as much as Kroft.

Not much after that.

 

As for O-Line I believe they try to bring Spain back and then draft a guy who can play guard/tackle later on (4th-5th round). 

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11 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

I believe it will he edge rusher.

 

In his press conference he really got a bit more detailed about how there’s not enough elite pass rushers for each team in the league and how important a position it is. 
 

I think they realize the defense could be do for a slight regression, and that edge is one of the few places they could make a splash that would change that defense around overnight. 
 

I also believe there’s better money to be spent on the edge position than any in free agency. Ngakoue, Clowney, Vic Beasley, Dante Fowler, hell Jason Pierre-Paul had 8.5 sacks in 10 games. Robert Quinn, Mario Addison... etc etc. 

 

 

Some of those guys I can see on Beanes magical contract scale. I don’t see any of them as cornerstone 100 million dollar guys though. I think fans might be upset and deflated if he doesn’t break open the check book to sign the “top guys on free agent boards” 

I generally dismiss the top 5-10 at every position when I shop free agents. 
And we still have franchise tags to be handed out. And of course cuts for cap needy teams. 

You could see more than half those guys you mentioned gone before free agency even begins. 

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Thought I remember Beane saying he likes to use free agency to fill starter needs and then draft BPA. Upgrade a Pass rusher, RT, WR and CB across from Tre.
 

There are a lot of good veteran corners that might hit free agency. Same for pass rushers. You listed a bunch above. One that I thought of today is Emanuel Ogbah. Would probably come cheaper that Ngakoue, he’s bigger at 275, and put up 5.5 sacks in 10 games mostly as a backup. 

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7 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I hope it’s OL. Upgrade needed

 

 

That got fixed last off-season, no?

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7 minutes ago, Dkollidas said:

I think they might throw an offer at Hooper, but if they can’t get him, I don’t really see any other guys being big upgrades. 
Ebron drops as many as Knox.

Henry is hurt as much as Kroft.

Not much after that.

 

As for O-Line I believe they try to bring Spain back and then draft a guy who can play guard/tackle later on (4th-5th round). 

I’d take Ebron over Knox for sure. 

8 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I hope it’s OL. Upgrade needed

Yeah I still think RT is a problem. Ford might be a G

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4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

That got fixed last off-season, no?

We had a 16 point lead at the half of a playoff game and then ran the ball 8 times after the half.  You tell me

5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I’d take Ebron over Knox for sure. 

Yeah I still think RT is a problem. Ford might be a G

Our OL doesn’t suck, but it’s not an asset imo.  It’s just ok.  Josh allen needs a better OL if we wanna win the SB

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2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We had a 16 point lead at the half of a playoff game and then ran the ball 8 times after the half.  You tell me

Our OL doesn’t suck, but it’s not an asset imo.  It’s just ok.  Josh allen needs a better OL if we wanna win the SB

 

I was kidding.  many credited the FO for fixing the O-line.  It's not fixed yet.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I was kidding.  many credited the FO for fixing the O-line.  It's not fixed yet.

Copy that.  

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I believe Beane's top priority is WR-1A then DE-1B. depends on what talent is available in FA. Our offense needs to get better. It obviously was better than 2018 but we need more talent on that side of the ball. Big time playmakers, if we want to see the offense step up from mediocrity to good. If they want to give Josh the best opportunity to succeed they need more talent on offense.

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57 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Copy that.  

By fixing I take it to mean made it NFL caliber . 2018 line was a bad joke. 2019 was decent, but not a strength as you mentioned. Those who think fixing meant made it elite are off base. It was too far gone to do that in one offseason. 

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9 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

I believe it will he edge rusher.

 

In his press conference he really got a bit more detailed about how there’s not enough elite pass rushers for each team in the league and how important a position it is. 
 

I think they realize the defense could be do for a slight regression, and that edge is one of the few places they could make a splash that would change that defense around overnight. 
 

I also believe there’s better money to be spent on the edge position than any in free agency. Ngakoue, Clowney, Vic Beasley, Dante Fowler, hell Jason Pierre-Paul had 8.5 sacks in 10 games. Robert Quinn, Mario Addison... etc etc. 

 

 

Bills should cut some of their own guys like Kroft/Murphy/Lee Smith/ Spencer Long/ which will save them about 20 million in cap space and sign guys with above average talent..  We sign 2  high end guys like Bud Dupree LB/DE / Conklin RT and than we set ourselves up nice for the draft.  I would resign Lawson and Philips,  another player on the roster with big question mark is Star.  The problem with cutting him is that even though we would have another 2 mill in cap savings we also would have 7.8 mill in dead money.  End of the day Bills need to decide if signing a free agent DT improves their run defense.

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It also depends on free agents who leave the Bills

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15 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Bills should cut some of their own guys like Kroft/Murphy/Lee Smith/ Spencer Long/ which will save them about 20 million in cap space and sign guys with above average talent..  We sign 2  high end guys like Bud Dupree LB/DE / Conklin RT and than we set ourselves up nice for the draft.  I would resign Lawson and Philips,  another player on the roster with big question mark is Star.  The problem with cutting him is that even though we would have another 2 mill in cap savings we also would have 7.8 mill in dead money.  End of the day Bills need to decide if signing a free agent DT improves their run defense.


don’t cut players until replacement in house. 89M in cap space you can sign ANYONE without cutting anyone. And take everyone to camp for Competition 

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Just now, MAJBobby said:


don’t cut players until replacement in house. 89M in cap space you can sign ANYONE without cutting anyone. And take everyone to camp for Competition 


Contracted Players

Player
(53 total)
Base Salary
(Guaranteed)
Bonuses Cap
Number
 
Dead Money & Cap Savings
Cut (pre-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)RestructureExtension 
Prorated Roster Workout Other
Mitch Morse $6,775,000
$2,000,000
$2,750,000 $2,000,000 $100,000 $0 $11,625,000  
$10,250,000
$1,375,000
Star Lotulelei $6,250,000 $2,600,000 $1,000,000 $250,000 $0 $10,100,000  
$7,800,000
$2,300,000
John Brown $7,050,000 $1,600,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $9,750,000  
$3,200,000
$6,550,000
Jerry Hughes $6,650,000
$6,650,000
$2,100,000 $500,000 $250,000 $0 $9,500,000  
$10,850,000
($1,350,000)
Trent Murphy $6,100,000 $1,750,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $8,950,000  
$1,750,000
$7,200,000
Cole Beasley $4,400,000 $1,500,000 $1,000,000 $200,000 $0 $7,100,000  
$4,500,000
$2,600,000
Micah Hyde $4,000,000 $1,600,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $6,700,000  
$3,200,000
$3,500,000
Tyler Kroft $4,450,000 $800,000 $1,250,000 $100,000 $0 $6,600,000  
$1,600,000
$5,000,000
Josh Allen $660,000
$2,405,730
$3,371,461 $1,745,730 $0 $0 $5,777,191  
$12,517,247
($6,740,056)
Ty Nsekhe $3,100,000 $1,500,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $5,200,000  
$1,500,000
$3,700,000
Ed Oliver $1,389,325
$1,389,325
$3,082,301 $0 $0 $0 $4,471,626  
$16,097,853
($11,626,227)
Spencer Long $2,550,000 $350,000 $1,250,000 $100,000 $0 $4,250,000  
$700,000
$3,550,000
Jordan Poyer $2,950,000 $875,000 $150,000 $100,000 $0 $4,075,000  
$875,000
$3,200,000
Jon Feliciano $2,400,000 $750,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $3,750,000  
$750,000
$3,000,000
Tremaine Edmunds $1,630,868
$1,630,868
$1,821,735 $0 $0 $0 $3,452,603  
$7,480,640
($4,028,037)
Lee Smith $2,650,000
$1,500,000
$0 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $3,250,000  
$1,500,000
$1,750,000
Tre'Davious White $1,841,093
$555,000
$1,369,791 $0 $0 $0 $3,210,884  
$1,924,791
$1,286,093
Stephen Hauschka $2,175,000 $625,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $3,050,000  
$1,250,000
$1,800,000
Patrick DiMarco $1,800,000 $500,000 $0 $50,000 $0 $2,350,000  
$500,000
$1,850,000
Matt Barkley $1,500,000 $200,000 $75,000 $250,000 $0 $2,025,000  
$200,000
$1,825,000
Andre Roberts $1,300,000 $500,000 $100,000 $100,000 $0 $2,000,000  
$500,000
$1,500,000
TJ Yeldon $1,400,000 $250,000 $150,000 $100,000 $0 $1,900,000  
$250,000
$1,650,000
Cody Ford $836,249
$836,249
$869,994 $0 $0 $0 $1,706,243  
$3,446,231
($1,739,988)
Dion Dawkins $985,441 $295,588 $0 $50,000 $0 $1,331,029  
$295,588
$1,035,441
Devin Singletary $675,000 $258,956 $0 $0 $0 $933,956  
$776,868
$157,088
Reid Ferguson $750,000 $125,000 $0 $25,000 $0 $900,000  
$250,000
$650,000
Harrison Phillips $660,000 $193,760 $0 $37,950 $0 $891,710  
$387,520
$504,190
Dawson Knox $613,500 $205,545 $0 $30,000 $0 $849,045  
$616,635
$232,410
Taron Johnson $660,000 $161,517 $0 $0 $0 $821,517  
$323,034
$498,483
Matt Milano $735,000 $65,379 $0 $0 $0 $800,379  
$65,379
$735,000
Vincent Taylor $735,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $735,000  
$0
$735,000
Siran Neal $660,000 $71,505 $0 $0 $0 $731,505  
$143,010
$588,495
Davis Webb $660,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $665,500  
$11,000
$654,500
Ray-Ray McCloud $660,000 $2,750 $0 $0 $0 $662,750  
$5,500
$657,250
Corey Bojorquez $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000  
$0
$660,000
Corey Thompson $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000  
$0
$660,000
Jonathan Woodard $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000  
$0
$660,000
Ike Boettger $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000  
$0
$660,000
Jaquan Johnson $585,000 $46,085 $0 $0 $0 $631,085  
$138,255
$492,830
Darryl Johnson Jr. $585,000 $24,616 $0 $0 $0 $609,616  
$73,848
$535,768
Tommy Sweeney $585,000 $24,138 $0 $0 $0 $609,138  
$72,414
$536,724
Vosean Joseph $510,000 $80,630 $0 $0 $0 $590,630  
$241,890
$348,740
Duke Williams $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000  
$0
$585,000
Ryan Bates $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000  
$0
$585,000
Mike Love $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000  
$0
$585,000
Kaare Vedvik $510,000 $6,500 $0 $0 $0 $516,500  
$13,000
$503,500
Christian Wade $510,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $515,500  
$11,000
$504,500
Cameron Lewis $510,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $515,500  
$11,000
$504,500
Nate Becker $510,000 $4,000 $0 $0 $0 $514,000  
$8,000
$506,000
Nick Easley $510,000 $3,250 $0 $0 $0 $513,250  
$6,500
$506,750
Victor Salako $510,000 $2,250 $0 $0 $0 $512,250  
$4,500
$507,750
Top 51 Cutoff
Tyrel Dodson $510,000 $2,000 $0 $0 $0 $512,000  
$4,000
$508,000
Del'Shawn Phillips

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9 hours ago, Chemical said:

Thought I remember Beane saying he likes to use free agency to fill starter needs and then draft BPA. Upgrade a Pass rusher, RT, WR and CB across from Tre.
 

There are a lot of good veteran corners that might hit free agency. Same for pass rushers. You listed a bunch above. One that I thought of today is Emanuel Ogbah. Would probably come cheaper that Ngakoue, he’s bigger at 275, and put up 5.5 sacks in 10 games mostly as a backup. 

Yeah. That’s pretty standard operating procedure for teams.  Get at least serviceable starters under contract at all positions and then the draft becomes more about long term gains, not just filling needs.  It also helps keep other teams from easily discerning your targets in the draft.

 

I agree with the OP that Edge should be the #1 FA priority.  It’s not a great draft for the position so finding an upgrade to what we have there is not likely - at least not in the near term.  It’s going to cost big, but it’s our only real way to upgrade at Edge this offseason unless a trade option comes into play. 

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3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Contracted Players

Player
(53 total)
Base Salary
(Guaranteed)
Bonuses Cap
Number
 
Dead Money & Cap Savings
Cut (pre-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)RestructureExtension 
Prorated Roster Workout Other
Mitch Morse $6,775,000
$2,000,000
$2,750,000 $2,000,000 $100,000 $0 $11,625,000  
$10,250,000
$1,375,000
Star Lotulelei $6,250,000 $2,600,000 $1,000,000 $250,000 $0 $10,100,000  
$7,800,000
$2,300,000
John Brown $7,050,000 $1,600,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $9,750,000  
$3,200,000
$6,550,000
Jerry Hughes $6,650,000
$6,650,000
$2,100,000 $500,000 $250,000 $0 $9,500,000  
$10,850,000
($1,350,000)
Trent Murphy $6,100,000 $1,750,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $8,950,000  
$1,750,000
$7,200,000
Cole Beasley $4,400,000 $1,500,000 $1,000,000 $200,000 $0 $7,100,000  
$4,500,000
$2,600,000
Micah Hyde $4,000,000 $1,600,000 $1,000,000 $100,000 $0 $6,700,000  
$3,200,000
$3,500,000
Tyler Kroft $4,450,000 $800,000 $1,250,000 $100,000 $0 $6,600,000  
$1,600,000
$5,000,000
Josh Allen $660,000
$2,405,730
$3,371,461 $1,745,730 $0 $0 $5,777,191  
$12,517,247
($6,740,056)
Ty Nsekhe $3,100,000 $1,500,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $5,200,000  
$1,500,000
$3,700,000
Ed Oliver $1,389,325
$1,389,325
$3,082,301 $0 $0 $0 $4,471,626  
$16,097,853
($11,626,227)
Spencer Long $2,550,000 $350,000 $1,250,000 $100,000 $0 $4,250,000  
$700,000
$3,550,000
Jordan Poyer $2,950,000 $875,000 $150,000 $100,000 $0 $4,075,000  
$875,000
$3,200,000
Jon Feliciano $2,400,000 $750,000 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $3,750,000  
$750,000
$3,000,000
Tremaine Edmunds $1,630,868
$1,630,868
$1,821,735 $0 $0 $0 $3,452,603  
$7,480,640
($4,028,037)
Lee Smith $2,650,000
$1,500,000
$0 $500,000 $100,000 $0 $3,250,000  
$1,500,000
$1,750,000
Tre'Davious White $1,841,093
$555,000
$1,369,791 $0 $0 $0 $3,210,884  
$1,924,791
$1,286,093
Stephen Hauschka $2,175,000 $625,000 $250,000 $0 $0 $3,050,000  
$1,250,000
$1,800,000
Patrick DiMarco $1,800,000 $500,000 $0 $50,000 $0 $2,350,000  
$500,000
$1,850,000
Matt Barkley $1,500,000 $200,000 $75,000 $250,000 $0 $2,025,000  
$200,000
$1,825,000
Andre Roberts $1,300,000 $500,000 $100,000 $100,000 $0 $2,000,000  
$500,000
$1,500,000
TJ Yeldon $1,400,000 $250,000 $150,000 $100,000 $0 $1,900,000  
$250,000
$1,650,000
Cody Ford $836,249
$836,249
$869,994 $0 $0 $0 $1,706,243  
$3,446,231
($1,739,988)
Dion Dawkins $985,441 $295,588 $0 $50,000 $0 $1,331,029  
$295,588
$1,035,441
Devin Singletary $675,000 $258,956 $0 $0 $0 $933,956  
$776,868
$157,088
Reid Ferguson $750,000 $125,000 $0 $25,000 $0 $900,000  
$250,000
$650,000
Harrison Phillips $660,000 $193,760 $0 $37,950 $0 $891,710  
$387,520
$504,190
Dawson Knox $613,500 $205,545 $0 $30,000 $0 $849,045  
$616,635
$232,410
Taron Johnson $660,000 $161,517 $0 $0 $0 $821,517  
$323,034
$498,483
Matt Milano $735,000 $65,379 $0 $0 $0 $800,379  
$65,379
$735,000
Vincent Taylor $735,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $735,000  
$0
$735,000
Siran Neal $660,000 $71,505 $0 $0 $0 $731,505  
$143,010
$588,495
Davis Webb $660,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $665,500  
$11,000
$654,500
Ray-Ray McCloud $660,000 $2,750 $0 $0 $0 $662,750  
$5,500
$657,250
Corey Bojorquez $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000  
$0
$660,000
Corey Thompson $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000  
$0
$660,000
Jonathan Woodard $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000  
$0
$660,000
Ike Boettger $660,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $660,000  
$0
$660,000
Jaquan Johnson $585,000 $46,085 $0 $0 $0 $631,085  
$138,255
$492,830
Darryl Johnson Jr. $585,000 $24,616 $0 $0 $0 $609,616  
$73,848
$535,768
Tommy Sweeney $585,000 $24,138 $0 $0 $0 $609,138  
$72,414
$536,724
Vosean Joseph $510,000 $80,630 $0 $0 $0 $590,630  
$241,890
$348,740
Duke Williams $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000  
$0
$585,000
Ryan Bates $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000  
$0
$585,000
Mike Love $585,000 $0 $0 $0 $0 $585,000  
$0
$585,000
Kaare Vedvik $510,000 $6,500 $0 $0 $0 $516,500  
$13,000
$503,500
Christian Wade $510,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $515,500  
$11,000
$504,500
Cameron Lewis $510,000 $5,500 $0 $0 $0 $515,500  
$11,000
$504,500
Nate Becker $510,000 $4,000 $0 $0 $0 $514,000  
$8,000
$506,000
Nick Easley $510,000 $3,250 $0 $0 $0 $513,250  
$6,500
$506,750
Victor Salako $510,000 $2,250 $0 $0 $0 $512,250  
$4,500
$507,750
Top 51 Cutoff
Tyrel Dodson $510,000 $2,000 $0 $0 $0 $512,000  
$4,000
$508,000
Del'Shawn Phillips


Murphy 53 players. Leaves you 37 spots to get to 90.  Bills can sign anyone you want without cutting anyone at this point. 
 

there are zero triggers that force a move. So sign who you want. Try and flip who has value and worst case cut after camp 

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8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:


don’t cut players until replacement in house. 89M in cap space you can sign ANYONE without cutting anyone. And take everyone to camp for Competition 

The only issue there is players with roster bonuses.  Notably Murphy and Hughes each have one due on 3/22/20 plus Spotrac shows Hughes salary in 2020 guaranteed.  So Hughes isn’t going anywhere and neither is Murphy unless a replacement can be found right away in FA.  Heck, we need 3 quality DEs so I’m good if we bring in a high end DE and keep both for a season. 

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Depends, normally a team already has a plan of who to go after in FA and who/what position they want to go for in draft...sometimes a position is SO BAD(like OL last year) they use BOTH FA and draft...FA im betting OL/DL maybe even WR but we shall see Draft im betting WR/DE they may also add some safety depth..oh and a PUNTER...do we really need or need to keep the worst punter in the NFL???

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Just now, BarleyNY said:

The only issue there is players with roster bonuses.  Notably Murphy and Hughes each have one due on 3/22/20 plus Spotrac shows Hughes salary in 2020 guaranteed.  So Hughes isn’t going anywhere and neither is Murphy unless a replacement can be found right away in FA.  Heck, we need 3 quality DEs so I’m good if we bring in a high end DE and keep both for a season. 

1M for Murphy. Not an issue. That is just cash. His dead is still 1.75M either way. 
 

yep Hughes would cost more in dead money than savings. He isn’t going anywhere. 

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9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I was kidding.  many credited the FO for fixing the O-line.  It's not fixed yet.

Yea... after watching the Titans take it to the Ravens defensive front I find myself wanting them to make some upgrades on the offensive line.... can't have Ford playing RT next season. Move him inside and find a capable veteran RT while adding another quality depth guy inside. 

 

It's somewhat ridiculous the offense is still as bad as it is 3 years into this regime change. 

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I'd target some OL. RT needs to be addressed and I just don't see Ford getting that much better there. WR can be picked up in the draft this year.

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