row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 18 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yes. To all your questions. He's not a serious person/poster. He has no idea what's happening three feet in front of his face, let alone in Iraq/Iran. is way more thoughtful 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Who the ***** is Mr. Trump? And why are y'all posting seious replies in a Tibs thread that will be deleted once he realizes how bad it looks for him? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 Hmmmm....oil prices starting to tick up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, Tiberius said: I don't think you even know what point you were trying to make. Ok, people have been fighting forever. So? I'm kinda sure what point I'm trying to make, and the point is that Iran has been killing Americans for years, and for you to suggest that Trump, who I cannot stand, just made this a shooting war, is preposterous. The Iranians have been waging war for years, on a host of different fronts, including international waters. I've been watching this for years, knowing all the time that some eventual conflict between the Islamic Republic and the US was inevitable, unless a regime or direction change occurred in Tehran. You stating that "people have been fighting forever, so.." is preposterous. Iran has been killing Americans for years, and that is a small portion of what they do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 53 minutes ago, sherpa said: Are you involved in some personal fantasy? I never said it was "nothing," and I never said it wasn't "newsworthy." Do you just conjure this trash up? I said the killing has been going on for years. This isn't the start. You're trying to communicate with a person who laughed at the Benghazi deaths and is upset with the death of Soleimani. Do the math. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 hours ago, John Adams said: Don't call him failed, he was nominated for an Academy award! I think that Trumps being a third wheel in a trial for an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Adams Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, westside2 said: I think that Trumps being a third wheel in a trial for an hour. Even when you don't have misspellings (kind of), you don't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: I'm kinda sure what point I'm trying to make, and the point is that Iran has been killing Americans for years, and for you to suggest that Trump, who I cannot stand, just made this a shooting war, is preposterous. The Iranians have been waging war for years, on a host of different fronts, including international waters. I've been watching this for years, knowing all the time that some eventual conflict between the Islamic Republic and the US was inevitable, unless a regime or direction change occurred in Tehran. You stating that "people have been fighting forever, so.." is preposterous. Iran has been killing Americans for years, and that is a small portion of what they do. So you think we should have attacked and killed their leaders sooner? Years ago? They have been waging war on us--our occupation forces in Iraq and against our good friends the Saudis, so what is it you want done? All out war with Iran? You used the word inevitable, so where does it end? This is an escalation. It follows the escalation Trump began with the full press sanctions on Iran and has only gotten worse from there. The international inspectors are gone, the plan not to enrich uranium are gone and what now? 3 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said: You're trying to communicate with a person who laughed at the Benghazi deaths and is upset with the death of Soleimani. Do the math. A good christian does not lie like this. Why do you clowns have to lie continuously? Garbage person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I heard a little bit ago that Joe Biden was against killing Soleimani. Since Biden has never, ever been correct when it comes to foreign policy I feel pretty good about blowing him up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 great way to kick off the last 5 years of Trump's Kingdom on Earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Logic said: If only there was some way to know exactly what Trump was thinking... Thanks for telling us what Trump was thinking in 2012 and 2013. In order to believe what I think you're saying, Trump would have needed to orchestrate an Iranian attack on our troops, and then decided to retaliate with airstrikes against said Iranians (in IRAQ, no less) spurring an attack on the U.S. Embassy, where (unlike in Libya) our citizens weren't harmed. I'd also need to completely discount the history of the person that we killed and completely discount reports that he was planning some other shi**y act against our citizens (or anyone else for that matter). Your Tweet/Meme is disingenuous. And I'm being polite. You really think that this is what yesterday's actions boils down to? Edited January 3, 2020 by snafu 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, snafu said: Thanks for telling us what Trump was thinking in 2012 and 2013. In order to believe what I think you're saying, Trump would have needed to orchestrate an Iranian attack on our troops, and then decided to retaliate with airstrikes against said Iranians (in IRAQ, no less) spurring an attack on the U.S. Embassy, where (unlike in Libya) our citizens weren't harmed. I'd also need to completely discount the history of the person that we killed and completely discount reports that he was planning some other shi**y act against our citizens (or anyone else for that matter). Your Tweet/Meme is disingenuous. And I'm being polite. You really think that this is what yesterday's actions boils down to? He's listening to Malcolm Nance and Max Boot still. Because @Logic has learned nothing in the past three years about what happens when you listen to proven liars and manipulators while ignoring the evidence you can see/read/vet for yourself. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's listening to Malcolm Nance and Max Boot still. Because @Logic has learned nothing in the past three years about what happens when you listen to proven liars and manipulators while ignoring the evidence you can see/read/vet for yourself. But you are a proven liar! Isn't Trump the biggest liar of them all? Are you just completely lacking in any self awareness or don't you care? Gees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's listening to Malcolm Nance and Max Boot still. Because @Logic has learned nothing in the past three years about what happens when you listen to proven liars and manipulators while ignoring the evidence you can see/read/vet for yourself. It's like he saw a headline in the news while buying his cup of coffee this morning and then went to his Facebook page to tell him how he should feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: From day one Trump was intent on doing economic warfare on Iran and now we have seen that escalate to a shooting war. Just a reminder, we had inspectors in that country, had an agreement that they would not enrich uranium that the international community was behind. Trump ended that, and now the killing has begun. Have you been to the Middle East? Have you been targeted by Iranian forces operating inside Iraq? It has been going on for a long time, much restraint was shown i.e. contractor killed, US forces killed, drone shot down, oil facilities in Saudi attacked , british ship hijacked, patrol boats harrasing American ships, embassy attacked. It was a long time coming. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, billsfan_34 said: Have you been to the Middle East? Have you been targeted by Iranian forces operating inside Iraq? It has been going on for a long time, much restraint was shown i.e. contractor killed, US forces killed, drone shot down, oil facilities in Saudi attacked , british ship hijacked, patrol boats harrasing American ships, embassy attacked. It was a long time coming. Not only was he in the Middle East, but the helicopter he was on came under sniper fire and he almost died. Oh, wait. That was Hillary's lie. My bad. Carry on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: Have you been to the Middle East? Have you been targeted by Iranian forces operating inside Iraq? It has been going on for a long time, much restraint was shown i.e. contractor killed, US forces killed, drone shot down, oil facilities in Saudi attacked , british ship hijacked, patrol boats harrasing American ships, embassy attacked. It was a long time coming. But don't you understand???? He waited until an election year!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, IDBillzFan said: Not only was he in the Middle East, but the helicopter he was on came under sniper fire and he almost died. Oh, wait. That was Hillary's lie. My bad. Carry on. Haha that was great. We used to get intelligence briefs on Iranian forces within Iraq and that now dead evil General who was a terrorist planning a large scale attack! But sure, people should listen to the media spin this. 1 minute ago, snafu said: But don't you understand???? He waited until an election year!!! Haha he will win regardless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Michael Moore for Best Meltdown Ever! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Have you been to the Middle East? Have you been targeted by Iranian forces operating inside Iraq? It has been going on for a long time, much restraint was shown i.e. contractor killed, US forces killed, drone shot down, oil facilities in Saudi attacked , british ship hijacked, patrol boats harrasing American ships, embassy attacked. It was a long time coming. All those things happened AFTER Trump pulled the plug on an international deal, imposed crushing sanctions on Iran which is brutal to their citizens. Trump has no real strategy, he literally simply wanted to undo an Obama accomplishment that was working. Hey, do you know how we all know it was working? Just ask me, I'll tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 41 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So you think we should have attacked and killed their leaders sooner? Years ago? They have been waging war on us--our occupation forces in Iraq and against our good friends the Saudis, so what is it you want done? All out war with Iran? You used the word inevitable, so where does it end? They have been waging war on us and others since 1979. If you don't know this, you are ignorant. It has been a "shooting war" for decades. To not know this is to be completely ignorant of history. By the way, stop speculating on "what I want." You have no idea, and your theories are preposterous. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, sherpa said: They have been waging war on us and others since 1979. If you don't know this, you are ignorant. It has been a "shooting war" for decades. To not know this is to be completely ignorant of history. By the way, stop speculating on "what I want." You have no idea, and your theories are preposterous. Oh brother, so now we should have been at war since 1979, whatever buddy. You are a silly person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: They have been waging war on us and others since 1979. If you don't know this, you are ignorant. It has been a "shooting war" for decades. To not know this is to be completely ignorant of history. By the way, stop speculating on "what I want." You have no idea, and your theories are preposterous. you have to understand what arguing with a mentally challenged amoeba is like. if you don't, you soon will. Edited January 3, 2020 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Have you been to the Middle East? Have you been targeted by Iranian forces operating inside Iraq? It has been going on for a long time, much restraint was shown i.e. contractor killed, US forces killed, drone shot down, oil facilities in Saudi attacked , british ship hijacked, patrol boats harrasing American ships, embassy attacked. It was a long time coming. I know people who have. I even know one guy who accidentally invaded Iran. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: I know people who have. I even know one guy who accidentally invaded Iran. That would of been Saddam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh brother, so now we should have been at war since 1979, whatever buddy. You are a silly person No, you ***** moron. We have been at war with Iran since 1979. Sherpa's fired shots in it, as I recall. 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: That would of been Saddam No, he's a lawyer at DOJ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Oh brother, so now we should have been at war since 1979, whatever buddy. You are a silly person Are you allowed to function in your community? I have spent four posts curing and cleaning up the nonsense you do here. I never said we should have been at war with them. What I said was that that this started in '79, and it is ignorant to not know that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, Tiberius said: All those things happened AFTER Trump pulled the plug on an international deal, imposed crushing sanctions on Iran which is brutal to their citizens. Trump has no real strategy, he literally simply wanted to undo an Obama accomplishment that was working. Hey, do you know how we all know it was working? Just ask me, I'll tell you. Yeah because Obamas plan was working! The Iranians were once close to the bomb and we unleashed stuxnet on them. That was done before trump and the damage done by that far exceeds what we just did. Anyways, I dont think any of us want another war but at some point you have to take a stand. Time will tell how this plays out for sure. 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: No, you ***** moron. We have been at war with Iran since 1979. Sherpa's fired shots in it, as I recall. No, he's a lawyer at DOJ. Been going on since 1979, 1983 in Beirut with Irans help, and until this present day. Ok ok who is it??? Im not following ya DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, sherpa said: Are you allowed to function in your community? I have spent four posts curing and cleaning up the nonsense you do here. I never said we should have been at war with them. What I said was that that this started in '79, and it is ignorant to not know that. You are going to lose this argument, because you're arguing with immovable stupidity. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: Are you allowed to function in your community? I have spent four posts curing and cleaning up the nonsense you do here. I never said we should have been at war with them. What I said was that that this started in '79, and it is ignorant to not know that. Correct- 1979 it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Ok ok who is it??? Im not following ya DC. Someone I know who was stationed in Iraq had his helicopter cross the Iraq/Iran border. Which they only discovered when they were fired upon by Iranian air defenses. But he literally invaded Iran accidentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: You are going to lose this argument, because you're arguing with immovable stupidity. Stuck in the mud thinking fed by the media that spins things quicker than a hooker in Subic Bay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, sherpa said: Are you allowed to function in your community? I have spent four posts curing and cleaning up the nonsense you do here. I never said we should have been at war with them. What I said was that that this started in '79, and it is ignorant to not know that. he's too ignorant to know what happened with the US and Iran leading up to '79 i recall that time a lot, Carter and the media toadies all thought the Revolution would lead to world openness and religious tolerance in Iran... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Just now, DC Tom said: Someone I know who was stationed in Iraq had his helicopter cross the Iraq/Iran border. Which they only discovered when they were fired upon by Iranian air defenses. But he literally invaded Iran accidentally. Oh *****! Now thats some dicey stuff. Our jets used to patrol close to Iran but mostly we operated in the Sunni Triangle. I am glad he is ok, im assuming he is? 4 minutes ago, row_33 said: he's too ignorant to know what happened with the US and Iran leading up to '79 i recall that time a lot, Carter and the media toadies all thought the Revolution would lead to world openness and religious tolerance in Iran... ...”Media Toadies”... thats funny!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Oh *****! Now thats some dicey stuff. Our jets used to patrol close to Iran but mostly we operated in the Sunni Triangle. I am glad he is ok, im assuming he is? ...”Media Toadies”... thats funny!!! the only worse prediction by Dems and the media was how Pol Pot would happily help Cambodia enter the 20th century under his benevolent dictatorship... Edited January 3, 2020 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Someone I know who was stationed in Iraq had his helicopter cross the Iraq/Iran border. Which they only discovered when they were fired upon by Iranian air defenses. But he literally invaded Iran accidentally. The head of the DOJ has some history with Iran too. Interesting how the #MAGAs pretend that never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: Oh *****! Now thats some dicey stuff. Our jets used to patrol close to Iran but mostly we operated in the Sunni Triangle. I am glad he is ok, im assuming he is? Oh yeah; he told me the story several months later. Funny too..at the time, his full-time job was prosecuting murders for DOJ. When he was activated, the Army put him in charge of mass graves registration in Iraq. Naturally, because of his job, he was a perfect fit...so after about four months, the Army moved him out of that billet into passport processing, presumably on the grounds that he was actually qualified to do mass graves registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 15 minutes ago, sherpa said: Are you allowed to function in your community? I have spent four posts curing and cleaning up the nonsense you do here. I never said we should have been at war with them. What I said was that that this started in '79, and it is ignorant to not know that. I went to college with some wealthy Iranian students in 1977. They all drove trans ams. I got along fine with them even though they had more privilege than me. I'm sure their world got turned upside down in 1979. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherpa Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: We have been at war with Iran since 1979. Sherpa's fired shots in it, as I recall. Nope. Never fired. I got the first intercept of an Iranian hostile after the embassy. Launched of Kitty Hawk and got a com to connect with the E2, early warning aircraft. They linked me to an intercept of an Iranian P3 who was closing on the ship, at 200 miles. Tapped him at 150 miles, and showed him my missiles, two heaters,with the appropriate hand signals, telling him that if he threatened the task force I would kill him. Task Force commander, aboard Kitty Hawk at the time, said that if he gets within 50 miles, I was going to get a cleared to fire, or if they open any doors on the bottom. The speculation was that they had Harpoon, and anti ship missile we had sold them, and that was a reasonable range to eliminate the threat. He closed to 45 miles, my missiles were locked, and I asked for a cleared to fire, and they said no. P3 got to 30 miles, and I said that since it was so close, I would first take out the missile as it dropped, and then the airplane. The guy turned away at 25 miles. I often wonder what would have happened if I simply shot him and claimed an aggressive action within the rules of engagement. North Indian Ocean. Nobody would have known Glad I didn't, 'cause I'm a good guy. 4 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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