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The Impeachment Trial of President Donald J. Trump


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6 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

"But they have to call new witnesses, because the House was obstructed by Trump and couldn't hear from these witnesses!"

 

That'll be the excuse.

i'd tell 'im that the House should have filed with the court to get resolution. in fact, they still have that opportunity.

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Dershowitz and many Rs have tried to conflate maladministration and abuse of power. The Framers rejected maladministration—being ineffective or inefficient—as grounds for impeachment. In contrast, they saw abuse of power as central to the meaning of high crimes and misdemeanors.
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29 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
 
 
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Dershowitz and many Rs have tried to conflate maladministration and abuse of power. The Framers rejected maladministration—being ineffective or inefficient—as grounds for impeachment. In contrast, they saw abuse of power as central to the meaning of high crimes and misdemeanors.
2:20 PM · Dec 16, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

 

...Alan Dershowitz included in a sentence citing "and many Republicans"?.....He's been a Dem supporting lib from day one, yet it is quite interesting to see his assessments of this mess as an anti-impeachment advocate, etc......how come?........Tibs nausea?..........

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1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...Alan Dershowitz included in a sentence citing "and many Republicans"?.....He's been a Dem supporting lib from day one, yet it is quite interesting to see his assessments of this mess as an anti-impeachment advocate, etc......how come?........Tibs nausea?..........

 

Alan is a very useful tool for the side that's writing his fee cheque

 

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On 12/15/2019 at 2:41 PM, row_33 said:

Never understood why the coyote felt riding on the rocket was a good move

 

at best there was going to be that sudden stop at the end of the ride 

 

 

Well ol  Slim didn't seem to care:

 

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8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Rudy G, at the very least, should be called to testify. Barr, too, he was in on this. All this screaming about this not being fair? Well, stop hiding the truth, let these clowns testify. 

 

 

You want the Attorney General to testify to the Senate about why he’s doing his job? 

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58 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Rudy G, at the very least, should be called to testify. Barr, too, he was in on this. All this screaming about this not being fair? Well, stop hiding the truth, let these clowns testify. 

 

 

 

Why? What useful information would they be able to provide? I thought the only acceptable witnesses were those who could give speculation about third-hand hearsay accounts based on their feelz.

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so... if i understand this correctly, ***** u schumer wants to call his witnesses  but doesn't want Repubs to call any witnesses. in what god forsaken reality do these dimwits reside? i say let both sides call whatever witnesses they want and let the cards fall where they may. let the truth out or at least let any and all questions thereof, that might be the truth out so it can be examined in the light. what are the Dems afraid of? lets make this whole thing into an examination of all things 2016 related so we can once and for all put it behind us and move forward with correcting the wrongs.

 

Schumer says he wants impeachment trial focused on facts, not 'conspiracy theories,' as he balks at GOP calling witnesses

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Obviously, the founding fathers would have sided with the Democrats in this. They were against allowing foreign influence in our elections and the stone walking and obstruction by a branch of government. Trump has to turn over documents and allow witnesses to testify, and the Senate or Judge Roberts need to uphold their oath to the constitution 

 

Trump is is against a republican form of government, checks and balances, our security forces and the rule of law 

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6 minutes ago, Foxx said:

no. when there is a dispute between the two branches of government, it is up to the third branch, in this case the Judiciary to settle the dispute.

Correct

It’s absolutely stunning how ignorant people are of how our government is structured.

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7 minutes ago, Foxx said:

no. when there is a dispute between the two branches of government, it is up to the third branch, in this case the Judiciary to settle the dispute.

 

The People decides

 

with the Karl Malone's Atomic Elbow on the Zeke-ish Dems

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

If they really have overwhelming evidence, why do we need to hear from ANY witnesses? Just send this evidence to the Senate, and let them vote.. 

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Democrats are going to try to “Kavanaugh” the Impeachment Trial with new accusations

The most dangerous place on earth, Bob Dole wisely observed, is between Chuck Schumer and the TV cameras.

 

Not surprisingly, while Mitch McConnell usually gets his way, Schumer gets the headlines and TV coverage.

 

Schumer did that again today with his demand for a “fair” trial, meaning to Schumer that Democrats get to reopen the investigation of Trump during the trial, including calling witnesses who did not testify, and doing the job the House Democrats failed to do. A do-over.

 

That’s not usually the way trials work — the pleading of claims and discovery takes place before the trial. House Democrats chose not to do that for key witnesses they wanted — including John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney — because forcing them to testify in the House would have meant court litigation. Democrats were on a timetable driven by the 2020 election that did not allow for a court to decide the clash of branches, so they went with what they had.

 

Schumer and Senate Democrats know that what the House had is not enough to get 20 Republican Senators to vote against Trump — they may not even get one. So the trial takes on a different purpose — to seek evidence and to prolong impeachment investigations for the remainder of the election year based on “new evidence” discovered during the trial.

 

Byron York astutely observes that Senate Democrats are taking the same approach they took in trying to block Brett Kavanaugh’s Supreme Court nomination:

 

 

 

 

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They'll have to votes in the house to move it to the Senate.  I doubt there will be many defectors as the pressure of party outweighs significantly the pressure of constituency from which they are very insulated IMO.  However, I've been wrong on political outcomes several times. 

 

They can't turn back. That's a far worse scenario politically than the narrative that Republicans in the Senate made a sham of a serious matter and have created a constitutional crisis and are threatening our national security.  That plus the fact that Trump was impeached will become their ammo in 2020.  It helps them control the media narrative and will provide some cover over what Barr and Durham are doing.  Pelosi will tell her baby chicks in swing districts that this enhances their re-election hopes and will keep the dems in the majority in the House. 

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Just now, keepthefaith said:

They'll have to votes in the house to move it to the Senate.  I doubt there will be many defectors as the pressure of party outweighs significantly the pressure of constituency from which they are very insulated IMO.  However, I've been wrong on political outcomes several times. 

 

They can't turn back. That's a far worse scenario politically than the narrative that Republicans in the Senate made a sham of a serious matter and have created a constitutional crisis and are threatening our national security.  That plus the fact that Trump was impeached will become their ammo in 2020.  It helps them control the media narrative and will provide some cover over what Barr and Durham are doing.  Pelosi will tell her baby chicks in swing districts that this enhances their re-election hopes and will keep the dems in the majority in the House. 

 

the Senate began it's investigation for Watergate before the House voted on impeachment

 

it's the amazing part and parcel of how Nixon was not impeached, the clear worst of the 4 to undergo the process, by a million miles...  :D

 

 

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3 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

the Senate began it's investigation for Watergate before the House voted on impeachment

 

it's the amazing part and parcel of how Nixon was not impeached, the clear worst of the 4 to undergo the process, by a million miles...  :D

 

 

Trump is worse than Nixon,  Dick didn't try to interfere in an election using foreign powers 

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6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Trump is worse than Nixon,  Dick didn't try to interfere in an election using foreign powers 

Neither did Trump. Obama and Hillary on the other hand, are responsible for the steele dossier. Which they paid to have foriegn powers dig up dirt on a presidential candidate. 

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54 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

blah blah blah #orangemanbad blah blah blah

i'm sorry but that is not how it works. it is up to either the Executive branch or the Legislative branch to submit the dispute to the Judiciary (not solely the Chief Justice). the Judicial can not insert itself of it's own volition. additionally, i really, really do not think the Dems would want a Constitutional Convention opened up. they should seriously think long and hard about that one....

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