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I get it wasn't a fumble. 

Was it a forward pass?

from the views shown, it looked like the ball went straight down, not forward, from the instant it left his hand.

in which case it was a backward pass, recoverable by the defense. 

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Yes, it was a forward pass.  The Bills run the same play every week with McKenzie.  The idea is to drop and let the player catch it.  

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i heard the call on the Bills radio broadcast and thought it was over, and turned the game off

 

i'm the luckiest Bills fan on the earth right now

 

maybe someone didn't watch or hear it and just saw the score and that was enough punishment.

 

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That type of play has become a trend for that exact reason. It's a pass that's basically a run, but if it doesn't connect, it's not a fumble. Every team has some variation of it.

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I was texted by a Browns fan at the game that it was never moving forward. I didnt see the replay. 

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3 minutes ago, JK Fan said:

Yes, it was a forward pass.  The Bills run the same play every week with McKenzie.  The idea is to drop and let the player catch it.  

I dont get why people cant get this through their head.

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The rule is that is has to go forward to be a pass, it went straight down, it was a fumble. 

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1 minute ago, Klaus said:

The rule is that is has to go forward to be a pass, it went straight down, it was a fumble. 

It's very close.

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2 minutes ago, Klaus said:

The rule is that is has to go forward to be a pass, it went straight down, it was a fumble. 

They tried to explain that his arm was moving forward underhand to justify it as a forward pass. Like a softball pitch that slipped out of your hand.

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4 minutes ago, Klaus said:

The rule is that is has to go forward to be a pass, it went straight down, it was a fumble. 

 

saw the replay on the hi-lite reel, it's a play they have designed, QBs arm is moving forward on the "forward pass"

 

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It was a forward pass, it was obvious after the first replay.
 

That play was an example of exactly why teams run it that way, so if there is a problem with the play it’s an imcomplete pass and not a fumble.

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2 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

 

It looks like it’s going forward to me 

I don't know shooter. 

In the clip you linked, you can't see the ball the instant it leaves his hand. But it looks like the release point is just over the yard line, and the ball hits the ground just at the yard line. If it's a millimeter behind, then it's a backward pass, by definition. 

How could the officials a be so certain that the ball went forward. Certainly not based on that clip. 

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4 minutes ago, Bferra13 said:

I was texted by a Browns fan at the game that it was never moving forward. I didnt see the replay. 

It was the right call. Based on the leagues current view of the  rules.

Not so long ago it would have been a fumble. It sucked.

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Take off the Bills goggles and watch. You might see why it was called the way it was called. When the Bills broadcast agrees with the call, then it's time to move on.

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it's about as cheap as a forward pass can be, but it is one.... :(

 

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2 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

Take off the Bills goggles and watch. You might see why it was called the way it was called. When the Bills broadcast agrees with the call, then it's time to move on.

 

This has nothing to d with Bills goggles. 

His arm wasn't hit. 

It's simple. 

If the ball moved forward, it was a forward pas. 

If it didn't go forward, it wasn't. 

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It was an obvious forward pass, as mentioned same play that the Bills often run to McKenzie.  Normally though the receiver is spaced a littler further forward so more obvious. Since he was so close the arm did go forward but didn't need to go forward very much as the guy was so close, kind of in shot put motion.  Probably one of the most ugly attempts I've sen of that play, but it was the correct call.

 

I'd go as far to say if you want to argue that was fumble, then the play by Allen maybe in the 2nd quarter where the arm  got hit as he threw was also a fumble. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

 

This has nothing to d with Bills goggles. 

His arm wasn't hit. 

It's simple. 

If the ball moved forward, it was a forward pas. 

If it didn't go forward, it wasn't. 

 

If you're not wearing Bills goggles, then you need to have your eyes checked.

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1 minute ago, pennstate10 said:

 

This has nothing to d with Bills goggles. 

His arm wasn't hit. 

It's simple. 

If the ball moved forward, it was a forward pas. 

If it didn't go forward, it wasn't. 

If the QB, drops, pushes or passes the ball forward, it is a forward pass and in this case, incomplete.  Watch what JA does on the jet sweep with McKenzie.  The exact same thing.

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26 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

I get it wasn't a fumble. 

Was it a forward pass?

from the views shown, it looked like the ball went straight down, not forward, from the instant it left his hand.

in which case it was a backward pass, recoverable by the defense. 


It was the right call. That is why every team runs those plays. Takes the Fumble out of Play. And it was forward Baker was deeper than Hunt and ball went thru Hunts arms 

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When Allen runs that play the ball clearly goes forward. 

I'm not sure it did on this play. 

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