BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: All screens pretty much. If only we could've remotely stopped them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: He is Being Coached into a Game Manager. Who would have thought that would happen from an Ultra Conservative Defensive minded HC. You traded up to 7th overall to get him, to what coach into him to be a Game Manager? I think he's being coached into not being reckless with the football. Turnovers have been a problem with Allen in addition to the fact he doesn't generate many big plays in the pass game (he hasn't hit a deep ball all season). The risk/reward of turning him loose suggests pretty heavily that he'll turn into a turnover machine without enough big plays to offset the mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: All screens pretty much. It's a terrible shame that the Bills are prohibited from ever throwing screen passes, it would be a real boon to this O, and would fit the players we have so well. The good news is the 11 TE set is really looking ready to take the next step Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said: If only we could've remotely stopped them... Exactly my point. Anyone blaming the QB for the loss wasn't watching or is an idiot or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: We should care about how Allen compares to every starting NFL Quarterback. Not just the ones drafted ahead of him in 2018. Silly. And yet...the most effective measuring stick to evaluate the growth curve of a (very) young/green QB would be his actual class of peers coming out the same year. For Kelly, that was Marino/Elway et al. 1983. For Rivers, it would be Big Ben, Eli, and so on. How exactly would that comparative approach be considered "Silly?" Silly would be trying to compare Josh this year to say, Tom Brady, draft class 2000, in his 19th year, no? So again, are you willing to also call Darnold a bust? Mayfield? Rosen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, dorquemada said: It's a terrible shame that the Bills are prohibited from ever throwing screen passes, it would be a real boon to this O, and would fit the players we have so well. The good news is the 11 TE set is really looking ready to take the next step Not sure our O line is quick enough to get out in front to block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: The reason Frank Gore is getting 40% in the box is because when they run they are out of the 2 TE Set, and all the Big Guys piled into the middle. The Bills aren't the only team to run 2 Tight End sets a lot Bobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, dorquemada said: It's a terrible shame that the Bills are prohibited from ever throwing screen passes, it would be a real boon to this O, and would fit the players we have so well. The good news is the 11 TE set is really looking ready to take the next step Must be the QB's fault, according to some. Daboll has gone from mediocre to bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: All screens pretty much. Yes. The longest throw I remember Wentz completing was the sideline throw to Alshon when he roasted Wallace. That’s about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: Yes. The longest throw I remember Wentz completing was the sideline throw to Alshon when he roasted Wallace. That’s about it. Small fact my good buddy mango left out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: You're all about "trends", especially when it's going down and Lee Smith's snaps have been going down..... So you're going to be firm that it has nothing to do with Allen being able to beat teams over the top....50% is Lee Smith and the other 50% is Knox? https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html So 11 personnel (1RB, 1TE, 3WR) 49% Run 59% Success Rate 74 Attempts 12 personnel (1RB, 2 TE, 2WRs) 54% run 48% success 29 Runs 21 Personnel (2RB, 1 TE, 2 WRs) 40% Run 42% Success 19 runs 22 Personnel (2RB, 2TE, 1 WR) 95% Run 9% Success 18 Runs 10 Personnel (1 RB, 4 WRs) 50% Run 100% Success 2 Runs 13 Personnel (1RB, 3TEs, 1WR) 84% Run 50% Success 16 Runs So again their Best Run formation is 3 WR. They start bringing in the Big guys their Run Success goes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Bills aren't the only team to run 2 Tight End sets a lot Bobby. The Eagles actually do it a ton w/Goedert and Ertz...the difference being you can't just shove 8 in the box on defense because they're both terrific pass catchers as well as blockers. When the Bills run 2 TE sets they aren't nearly as multiple as Eagles are just owing to personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: So in response to the question about the player, you made a comment about the fans. You can see why that's not as clear as you intended. I know you’re trying really hard at some clever gotcha moment but it’s not working. The comment was about the fans being able to admit something about our QB. My response was pointing out how fans have been reluctant/refuse to admit when our QB was bad. I’m not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. Edited October 28, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Bills aren't the only team to run 2 Tight End sets a lot Bobby. And with my innovative 11 TE set, a TE can throw a ball to another TE, with a couple TEs out in front to block. it'll be unstoppable! even dabol cant screw this up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mango said: Josh Allen is 9th in the league in "Intended Air Yards per Attempt" The issue isn't that we aren't trying. The issue is we aren't connecting on them. https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all#average-intended-yards I don't know how much I put into such a stat, but in 2019 he was #1 in the league for the same metric...in 2019 he is #11, behind a lot of QBs of varying ability. Reading their glossary on the stat, it's truly intended, not completed. So not connecting shouldn't have his average IAY down two yards. Again, for whatever IAY is worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said: And yet...the most effective measuring stick to evaluate the growth curve of a (very) young/green QB would be his actual class of peers coming out the same year. For Kelly, that was Marino/Elway et al. 1983. For Rivers, it would be Big Ben, Eli, and so on. How exactly would that comparative approach be considered "Silly?" Silly would be trying to compare Josh this year to say, Tom Brady, draft class 2000, in his 19th year, no? So again, are you willing to also call Darnold a bust? Mayfield? Rosen? If I were a Browns or Jets fan I’m sure I’d be asking the same question. So what? Are we allowed to compare Allen to MVP candidate Lamar Jackson? How about 6th rounder from this year’s draft Gardner Minshew who is currently 8th in the NFL in Adjusted Net Yards per Attempt (Allen is 25th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Bangarang said: I know you’re trying really hard at some clever gotcha moment but it’s not working. The comment was about the fans being able to admit something about our QB. My response was pointing out how fans have been when reluctant to admit when our QB was bad. I’m not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. Did I touch a nerve or something? There's no "gotcha" here. Yes, the comment was about the fans being able to admit something about the QB. Is there some arena of life where we admit things that aren't accepted as true? Because otherwise the implication is pretty clear that what we're being asked to admit is true. Was that too deep? Too offensive? I assume not. Either way I'll move on at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Wayne Arnold said: MVP candidate Lamar Jackson? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html So 11 personnel (1RB, 1TE, 3WR) 49% Run 59% Success Rate 74 Attempts 12 personnel (1RB, 2 TE, 2WRs) 54% run 48% success 29 Runs 21 Personnel (2RB, 1 TE, 2 WRs) 40% Run 42% Success 19 runs 22 Personnel (2RB, 2TE, 1 WR) 95% Run 9% Success 18 Runs 10 Personnel (1 RB, 4 WRs) 50% Run 100% Success 2 Runs 13 Personnel (1RB, 3TEs, 1WR) 84% Run 50% Success 16 Runs So again their Best Run formation is 3 WR. They start bringing in the Big guys their Run Success goes down. The link isn't working and I'm sure this doesn't take context into consideration. If it's 3rd and 17 and we are in a 3 WR set and the RB runs a 10 yarder...is this considered a "success"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: The link isn't working and I'm sure this doesn't take context into consideration. If it's 3rd and 17 and we are in a 3 WR set and the RB runs a 10 yarder...is this considered a "success"? https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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