D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ngbills said: Wow. Low bar we have here. Win 1-2 games against good teams. Hope for an easy schedule so maybe we can get 7-9 wins. Yeah I agree. Not good enough to win only when expected to, and then steal a game a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Blowout losses speak volumes. Imo, 10 of McD's 19 losses have been such. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 48 minutes ago, Z-Mann said: Totally agree. They can beat bad teams, flip the coin against an "ok" team, lose against good teams. Give me any kind of a statement win, home or away. They will have a few chances later in the season (Patriots, Ravens, Cowboys), but it is difficult to see them winning those games.... + 1 MIAMI put up 21 points and like 380 yards agaust this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey D Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve O said: If the Bills and Cowboys perform the way both did against the Eagles, might be best to plan an early Thanksgiving day dinner, lest the game spoils our appetites. Or if the Cowboys perform as they did against the Jets and our defense against the Pats--- extra food for all!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Z-Mann said: Totally agree. They can beat bad teams, flip the coin against an "ok" team, lose against good teams. Give me any kind of a statement win, home or away. They will have a few chances later in the season (Patriots, Ravens, Cowboys), but it is difficult to see them winning those games.... I am going to the Cowboys game in Dallas. If they win it should not be difficult see, I have decent seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Socal-805 said: + 1 MIAMI put up 21 points and like 380 yards agaust this team. Yeah, and the best QB of all time didn't do crap. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, ngbills said: Seriously? The Pats and SF are destroying teams every week. They are in a different class than the Bills. Due to arrive next year? Every year its next year. While other teams are making super bowl plans we are talking about how the plan has always been next year or the year after. Jan 11 2017 Bills hire McD Jan 12 2017 Rams hire McVay Feb 6 2017 49ers hire Shanahan But yeah the Bills need more time. San Fran went 6-10 and 4-12 in Shanahan's first two seasons. They haven't experienced as much turnover. Rams had a pretty solid team with their franchise QB already in place when McVay took over. McBeane have had to pretty much build this thing from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said: A big question that looms large over this regime, is when will they get their statement win against a quality opponent? Under McDermott the Bills have had two quality wins against teams that went on to make the playoffs that year. Amazingly enough NONE of them have been at home. They were both in 2017: @KC and @ATL Are the Bills really just beating teams that they should and are they not that good? I hope not, but until they prove otherwise it appears to be the case. They seem to be content with mediocrity and doing just enough. This season feels like 2017 again with an even weaker schedule. McBeane has a lot to prove in my opinion and they need to get a quality win at HOME. Against the Ravens is the only chance left this year. As I said in the Rockpile Review, good teams do two things: They win the games they should, and they win some of the games against quality opponents. Pre-McDermott, the Bills didn't consistently win the games they SHOULD win. Now at least they're doing that. Qualiity wins, as you point out, are the next step. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, blacklabel said: San Fran went 6-10 and 4-12 in Shanahan's first two seasons. They haven't experienced as much turnover. Rams had a pretty solid team with their franchise QB already in place when McVay took over. McBeane have had to pretty much build this thing from scratch. Myth. McVay and Shanahan have built those teams into winners. Rams offense was horrendous for a number of years before he got there and he turned it around. 49ers were terrible on both sides of the ball. Bills offense the last 3 years has yet to be as good as it was the 3 years before McD got hired. The D was good/decent ranked 4, 15, 16 before McD and has been 18. 18, 5 with him. Sobering facts. Edited October 28, 2019 by ngbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 At this point the Bills are who I thought they'd be. They're a team that plays hard, and has a very good defense and a bad offense that suffers from badly from inconsistency. The result is that our defense is good enough to allow us to beat most bad teams we play, and our offense is never going to let us beat anyone good. The Bills look like they'll coast into the playoffs with 10 wins and a wildcard birth, mostly due to the fact they play arguably the weakest schedule I've ever seen a Bills team face, but overall this is not a good team relative to the top teams in the NFL. The defense is solid, but the offense isn't even close to being good enough at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: At this point the Bills are who I thought they'd be. They're a team that plays hard, and has a very good defense and a bad offense that suffers from badly from inconsistency. The result is that our defense is good enough to allow us to beat most bad teams we play, and our offense is never going to let us beat anyone good. The Bills look like they'll coast into the playoffs with 10 wins and a wildcard birth, mostly due to the fact they play arguably the weakest schedule I've ever seen a Bills team face, but overall this is not a good team relative to the top teams in the NFL. The defense is solid, but the offense isn't even close to being good enough at this point. And anyone with eyes could have looked at the roster preseason and come to that conclusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: And anyone with eyes could have looked at the roster preseason and come to that conclusion. Sure, but people are acting like they think this team is good. It's not. Our offense is a major problem, with essentially every position group contributing to our inability to score points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, jrober38 said: Sure, but people are acting like they think this team is good. It's not. Our offense is a major problem, with essentially every position group contributing to our inability to score points. If by 'good' you mean 'compare favorably with top NFL teams', then no, they're not 'good'. I don't think many Bills fans would have put this team in that category before the season started. The roster, especially on offense as you mention, isn't talented enough yet. However I think they're 'good' in the sense that they will win a significant majority of their games and be one of the top defensive teams in the league and average/below average offensively, and probably earn a wildcard. And I think that's a reasonable definition of 'good'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: If by 'good' you mean 'compare favorably with top NFL teams', then no, they're not 'good'. I don't think many Bills fans would have put this team in that category before the season started. The roster, especially on offense as you mention, isn't talented enough yet. However I think they're 'good' in the sense that they will win a significant majority of their games and be one of the top defensive teams in the league and average/below average offensively, and probably earn a wildcard. And I think that's a reasonable definition of 'good'. I think that's just taking advantage of a cup cake schedule. Even if we go 10-6 with our wins pretty much all coming over teams picking in the top 10 of the draft, I don't think that makes us a good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 We have had below average talent due to flipping the roster. The franchise is good shape going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, auburnbillsbacker said: We have had below average talent due to flipping the roster. The franchise is good shape going forward. The Bills have the 26th oldest team in the NFl, so, they better keep "flipping"! https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2019-edition/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, ngbills said: Seriously? The Pats and SF are destroying teams every week. They are in a different class than the Bills. Due to arrive next year? Every year its next year. While other teams are making super bowl plans we are talking about how the plan has always been next year or the year after. Jan 11 2017 Bills hire McD Jan 12 2017 Rams hire McVay Feb 6 2017 49ers hire Shanahan But yeah the Bills need more time. I agree with the Pats and SF being the apparent two best teams in the league with both being undefeated. With respect to the Rams...they had so much talent on that team when McVay took over. It's like the current Browns. All they needed was a decent head coach. The Bills had a huge hole to climb out of. Relatively little talent. Cap hell. Horrid front office. No QB. They surprised us all with making the playoffs in 2017 where McD did so much with so little talent. It doesn't matter that they needed help getting into the playoffs. The fact is they did, and the teams that should have been there, lost the games that would have put them in. The Bills won theirs. Yesterday's game, no argument, was awful. Perhaps it's indicative that this team isn't good at all and it's been a facade, or it was just a bad game. I'm not willing to blow things up and declare McD an abject failure as a result. There are elements of this team and it's coaching decisions that I'd like to see improved. I'm willing to give them time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Here is my problem. How many opponents would actually be considered "quality" level? If we had beaten the Eagles yesterday, they would be 3-5 and probably a long-shot to even make the playoffs. Suddenly, nobody considers them a quality opponent. The Titans were generally considered a good team. But us defeating them is the difference between them being 4-4 and 5-3 (and tied with the Texans). Looking in the AFC, I think it's safe to say that New England and Kansas City are considered quality opponents, hands-down. Baltimore, Indianapolis and Houston look fairly imposing at the moment, because they have winning records. But all of them are inconsistent, and a couple bad games/injuries would make victories over those teams suddenly look much less impressive. The other 10 teams in the AFC are considered nobodies. Another example. Most would say, the Bills next TRUE TEST is on Thanksgiving against the Cowboys. But what happens if Dallas drops their games against the Vikings and Patriots... and then we beat them too. The entire world looks at Dallas with a 6-6 record, and says the Bills weren't able to beat a quality opponent. The same could be said for the Ravens in Week 14, who currently sit at 5-2. They face the Patriots, Texans, Rams and 49ers before facing us. If they drop all of those, you have another 6-6 team marching into Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 hours ago, ngbills said: Wow. Low bar we have here. Win 1-2 games against good teams. Hope for an easy schedule so maybe we can get 7-9 wins. I mean 10-11 games are against teams we are even or better then sooo yea not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I would argue that the #1 determining factor of wins and losses is momentum/confidence. A coach or key player who has had success against a team usually continues that success. Wayyyyyy too much analysis is focused on talent and matchups in what is an emotional game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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