ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/fort-worth-texas-shooting-jefferson.html There has to be more to the story. And you wonder why people don't trust cops. Shut your doors folks... Pray your neighbors aren't busy bodies... Holy Moly! Is there anyplace safe from the jackboot gov't thugs? There has to be more to the story? Huh? Even if there is. Huh? I wonder what the video game was? First person shooter? So many questions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) Couldn't tell you, I can't read the article. But if people don't want to get shot, they should erect paywalls around their property, 'cause ain't nothin' getting through that *****. Edited October 14, 2019 by DC Tom 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Couldn't tell you, I can't read the article. But if people don't want to get shot, they should erect paywalls around there property, 'cause ain't nothin' getting through that *****. I love you long time GI... 5 dolla I make you holla! No sucky sucky: https://www.nola.com/news/article_f24d0c70-edd3-11e9-a0f5-578ef42032ac.amp.html You can THANK me for my service later. ? Clear your cache GI... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 After unlatching a fence door and walking into the back yard, a white male officer saw Ms. Jefferson, who is black. What does the color of their skin have to do with it? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: After unlatching a fence door and walking into the back yard, a white male officer saw Ms. Jefferson, who is black. What does the color of their skin have to do with it? Do they commit a disproportionate amount of crime vs. other races? Somebody has to have the numbers on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Paywall. Like someone’s gonna pay for NYT OR wapo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 9 hours ago, DC Tom said: Couldn't tell you, I can't read the article. But if people don't want to get shot, they should erect paywalls around their property, 'cause ain't nothin' getting through that *****. I thought walls were immoral and do not work? NYT. Tear down this wall!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 41 minutes ago, KRC said: I thought walls were immoral and do not work? NYT. Tear down this wall!! Clear your cache! Toss your cookies! Walls don't work... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/atatiana-jefferson-fort-worth-police-shooting-family-speaks-out/ There is always a way around... Especially if you're a cop and feeling scared. Shoot first, then ask questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) I wonder if she heard somebody sneaking around back, thought the cop was a bad guy (he never identified himself)... She had her weapon... And you know the rest. Some good that (packing heat in own home) did her, now one is afraid to even have the weapon in their own castle What's stopping a bad guy from identifying themselves as police. Gee... Great. Ain't this swell. Heck, maybe the officier heard them playing video games... Was it a first person shooter? Welcome to 2019 America. What a cluster *****. Moral of story: Don't be a busy body neighbor and if you are... Get your lazy ass up and investigate yourself... Don't call the Keystone Cops: Edited October 14, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 If she were playing a video game , she might have had the controller still in her hand. They show police having shoot , don't shoot drills they need those more often. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, ALF said: If she were playing a video game , she might have had the controller still in her hand. They show police having shoot , don't shoot drills they need those more often. Kinda thinking the same thing... Something ain't right here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 These cops are so terrified about guns they just shoot at anything. Getting rid of guns would make the cops chill out a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 11 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/fort-worth-texas-shooting-jefferson.html There has to be more to the story. And you wonder why people don't trust cops. Shut your doors folks... Pray your neighbors aren't busy bodies... Holy Moly! Is there anyplace safe from the jackboot gov't thugs? There has to be more to the story? Huh? Even if there is. Huh? I wonder what the video game was? First person shooter? So many questions... I am old enough to have been picked up by the cops for goofing off in the 70's and pulled over for various traffic stuff over the next 30 years....back in the day when we were goofing around the cops would drive by flash their lights - let you know to cut it out and move on....when you got pulled over in the 80's the cops were generally friendly about the whole affair - somewhere over the last 25 years the deescalating strategy turned 180 degrees - now even a white dude in his 50's driving a dad car gets a cop in his face for doing 51 in a 35.... The Cop who shot this nice young lady was - I understand - very young - poorly trained, given a gun and a license to kill - or maybe he was trained to do exactly what he did..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, TH3 said: I am old enough to have been picked up by the cops for goofing off in the 70's and pulled over for various traffic stuff over the next 30 years....back in the day when we were goofing around the cops would drive by flash their lights - let you know to cut it out and move on....when you got pulled over in the 80's the cops were generally friendly about the whole affair - somewhere over the last 25 years the deescalating strategy turned 180 degrees - now even a white dude in his 50's driving a dad car gets a cop in his face for doing 51 in a 35.... The Cop who shot this nice young lady was - I understand - very young - poorly trained, given a gun and a license to kill - or maybe he was trained to do exactly what he did..... Agree +1. Is it the proliferation of firearms? Now... Everyone has a piece. Notice Keystone Kop Lou Costello above is holding a truncheon, not a .38. Hey... Beating me with a stick is better than plugging me with bullet. But, let's think of the poor civil servant first! They are the most important... More so than the people they serve. Big government gone mad. /smh Edited October 14, 2019 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, ALF said: If she were playing a video game , she might have had the controller still in her hand. They show police having shoot , don't shoot drills they need those more often. I got to watch these sessions while on accounting secondment with the police. for one grizzled detective they gave him the scenario of a drunk homeless man who keeps approaching, despite clear warnings, and breaks a booze bottle and now has a weapon of sharp glass and keeps approaching eventually he hollered “stop right there mofo or you are going to taste all the lead in my gun” much to the amusement of most watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Clear your cache! Toss your cookies! Walls don't work... ? Typical liberal. Bypassing the rules for your own personal benefit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Just now, KRC said: Typical liberal. Bypassing the rules for your own personal security. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I believe the mentality of the police when they get into an altercation is that they must not lose the fight. If they do, they think they’ll be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: These cops are so terrified about guns they just shoot at anything. Getting rid of guns would make the cops chill out a bit Getting rid of guns?? What exactly are you proposing? And will the criminals who will have guns chill out? 1 hour ago, TH3 said: maybe he was trained to do exactly what he did..... Please explain this comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Fixed. How are those poor people at the NYT supposed to feed their families if you are unwilling to pay for their services? Typical liberal. You want something for nothing, making others pay for your "free" stuff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, KRC said: How are those poor people at the NYT supposed to feed their families if you are unwilling to pay for their services? Typical liberal. You want something for nothing, making others pay for your "free" stuff. I saw the light... Signing up right now!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: I saw the light... Signing up right now!!! Think of the children!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, KRC said: Think of their children!! Fixed again. You're right. I am a good liberal putting the NYT's employee's children ahead of mine! ? My little angels can take one for the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 25 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Please explain this comment. They clearly have been trained to err on the side of shooting when presented with what might be perceived as a threat to their safety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Incredibly sad story. It really should be normal to recognize and support the police for the tough work that most of them do while also acknowledging there are serious problems in the system, and sometimes there are just bad officers in the ranks. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 12 minutes ago, TH3 said: They clearly have been trained to err on the side of shooting when presented with what might be perceived as a threat to their safety Clearly? And you know this how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Some of you guys have your heads up your asses. Mistakes are sometimes made. While this is a tragedy and should be played out legally we have a country of 330 million people. Chances are we'll have a few "f" ups every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Clearly? And you know this how? Police choosing to shoot perceived threats is known, is trained, is policy and holds up in court over and over again...numerous other similar incidents have police testifying in court that they have been following their training.... I will take it for granted they have not perjured themselves..... Edited October 14, 2019 by TH3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: Fixed again. You're right. I am a good liberal putting the NYT's employee's children ahead of mine! ? My little angels can take one for the team! Getting better. Now cough up 97.5 percent of your income to the government so that they can redistribute it properly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, B-Man said: Incredibly sad story. It really should be normal to recognize and support the police for the tough work that most of them do while also acknowledging there are serious problems in the system, and sometimes there are just bad officers in the ranks. . Qualified immunity needs to be completely abolished. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I agree that this sound horrible and make absolutely no sense. However, I'm going to wait for more facts to trickle out before making a decision. Sometimes these things sound horrible at first like a kid getting shot in the back running away from the police with his hands up turns out to be a totally different once the investigation was done. Not saying whose fault it was or pre judging anything til I get more info. Quaint I know, but it's just how I roll in the era of social disinformation media.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I agree that this sound horrible and make absolutely no sense. However, I'm going to wait for more facts to trickle out before making a decision. Sometimes these things sound horrible at first like a kid getting shot in the back running away from the police with his hands up turns out to be a totally different once the investigation was done. Not saying whose fault it was or pre judging anything til I get more info. Quaint I know, but it's just how I roll in the era of social disinformation media.. Hard to imagine how this could be justified in anyway, but who knows? So much for your home is your castle. Surprised the cop hasn’t been arrested yet. Well, not surprised, really. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, TH3 said: Police choosing to shoot perceived threats is known, is trained, is policy and holds up in court over and over again...numerous other similar incidents have police testifying in court that they have been following their training.... I will take it for granted they have not perjured themselves..... Do you know for a fact they are trained to shoot perceived threats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: Hard to imagine how this could be justified in anyway, but who knows? How much of what happened that night are you privy to? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Cities will get sued big time until police have the right training when this happens. When they fail proper training they have to be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Do you know for a fact they are trained to shoot perceived threats? Yes - That is exactly what the Fort Worth police department stated regarding this incident.....they would not lie correct? That is also what numerous police departments and officers have testified to... Police also shoot to kill - not to wound - but you knew that right? Got a point somewhere? Edited October 14, 2019 by TH3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 15 minutes ago, TH3 said: Yes - That is exactly what the Fort Worth police department stated regarding this incident.....they would not lie correct? That is also what numerous police departments and officers have testified to... Police also shoot to kill - not to wound - but you knew that right? Got a point somewhere? No you said the police department trains to shoot at PERCEIVED threats. Got a manual that states that? They shoot to kill? Say it ain't so! Unfortunately they suck at it. The range I went to in Oakland was where the OPD trained and the range master said they are the worst shots. 28 minutes ago, ALF said: Cities will get sued big time until police have the right training when this happens. When they fail proper training they have to be fired. All the training in the world cannot prevent these things from happening. No one knows exactly how they will react in a situation such as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Chef Jim said: No you said the police department trains to shoot at PERCEIVED threats. Got a manual that states that? They shoot to kill? Say it ain't so! Unfortunately they suck at it. The range I went to in Oakland was where the OPD trained and the range master said they are the worst shots. Dude - I will repeat: I am assuming that Police Departments are repeating what they train and officers are testifying what they are trained to.... Yes - That is exactly what the Fort Worth police department stated regarding this incident.....they would not lie correct? That is also what numerous police departments and officers have testified to... My point - which I actually have: The similar incidents over the last several years have been acquitted because the officers perceived a threat - so they shot because the perciev ed they or the public was in danger. This Fort Worth officer was either trained to do exactly what he did - or he was trained poorly, given a gun and sent out in public and took an innocent life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) On 10/13/2019 at 9:39 PM, ExiledInIllinois said: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/fort-worth-texas-shooting-jefferson.html There has to be more to the story. And you wonder why people don't trust cops. Shut your doors folks... Pray your neighbors aren't busy bodies... Holy Moly! Is there anyplace safe from the jackboot gov't thugs? There has to be more to the story? Huh? Even if there is. Huh? I wonder what the video game was? First person shooter? So many questions... What a horrible story. The officer should answer criminally as the law provides. On the other hand, some would consider it good news that the resistance is fighting back against the "jack booted govt thugs" in a consistent, methodical fashion at the rate of about 1 per week killed. I just sampled a few. https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-officer-shot-parking-garage-maryland-search-suspect/story?id=66261022 https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/11/us/female-police-officer-killed/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fduckduckgo.com%2F https://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2019/08/14/6-philadelphia-police-officers-shot-in-philadelphias-nicetown-tioga-section-officials-say/ I don't know how a person who is a cop would ever trust, well, anyone who isn't a cop. *just in case my sarcasm was not clear, I think that Law enforcement officers across the country are under assault from politicians, members of the media and certainly from bad people in general. For every police officer who $%#@s something up there are tens of thousands doing a job most people simply could not do. Edited October 15, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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