BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Rc2catch said: So we’re getting von Miller for a mid 20’s first rounder? Sounds good. Which end spot is he playing? We cutting Hughes playing time more? Or Lawson who has arguably been the most impactful on the line? I don’t think he helps this defense as a linebacker dropping into coverage. I mean I get it, he’s Von Miller, but I’ve always been the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” kinda person. On top of the fact that there’s zero chance the broncos are letting him go that cheaply. At minimum they would have to get 2 first rounders for him. Yeah man, I’d hate for Shaq Lawson to lose playing time for Von Miller. Good take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Yeah man, I’d hate for Shaq Lawson to lose playing time for Von Miller. Good take. It's a top-3 defense that is winning games. It held the Patriots to 10 points. And you think the defensive roster needs to be tweaked? Von Miller would be expensive acquisition for what can only be a marginal improvement. The only way to appreciably improve this defense is for the offense to score more than 18 ppg. Trading for Von Miller is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard on this board, and that includes the Sumerian history of the sexy peach emoji. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: It's a top-3 defense that is winning games. It held the Patriots to 10 points. And you think the defensive roster needs to be tweaked? Von Miller would be expensive acquisition for what can only be a marginal improvement. The only way to appreciably improve this defense is for the offense to score more than 18 ppg. Trading for Von Miller is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard on this board, and that includes the Sumerian history of the sexy peach emoji. Do you remember the team that won the 2015 Super Bowl? They didn’t have a “top 3” defense, they had a top 1 defense. They won the Super Bowl with a tomato can at QB. Why is it such a problem to improve a good unit to you? Is there any doubt we are going to draft an EDGE player high next year anyway? Why not use that pick for a HoF EDGE player right now when we’re 4-1 and we can actually make our defense elite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Do you remember the team that won the 2015 Super Bowl? They didn’t have a “top 3” defense, they had a top 1 defense. They won the Super Bowl with a tomato can at QB. Why is it such a problem to improve a good unit to you? Is there any doubt we are going to draft an EDGE player high next year anyway? Why not use that pick for a HoF EDGE player right now when we’re 4-1 and we can actually make our defense elite? And why'd you cherry-pick 2015? Because that was the last time a #1 defense won. And they had Von Miller. Is that really your argument for trading for Von Miller? Cherry-picking the only Superbowl he was in, with a #1 defense, and ignoring the other #1 defenses that didn't make it to Superbowl, and all the other defenses without Von Miller that did win Superbowls? Is this the best argument you can make for trading for Von Miller? Please tell me it is your best argument. Because this bull#### is hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Gotta love people worrying about the future and not a SB win. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, DC Tom said: And why'd you cherry-pick 2015? Because that was the last time a #1 defense won. And they had Von Miller. Is that really your argument for trading for Von Miller? Cherry-picking the only Superbowl he was in, with a #1 defense, and ignoring the other #1 defenses that didn't make it to Superbowl, and all the other defenses without Von Miller that did win Superbowls? Is this the best argument you can make for trading for Von Miller? Please tell me it is your best argument. Because this bull#### is hilarious. Aw man I guess drawing conclusions is a little tough for you. Lemme help you out. I “cherry picked” the 2015 Broncos because: Every other team that has played in the Super Bowl since 2015 has had a top 5 offense. The Bills in 2019 do not have a top 5 offense. The Broncos in 2015 did not have a top 5 offense. Every other team that has played in the Super Bowl since 2015 had EXCELLENT QB play. Brady, Goff, Wentz/Foles, Ryan, Newton all played EXTREMELY WELL in the regular season and most of the postseason. Even sometimes in the Super Bowl. Every single one of those QB’s had incredible TD:INT ratios. Bar napkin math would suggest that aggregation wise, their average was in the 3:1 or 4:1 range. The 2019 Bills DO NOT have a QB playing that well or a QB who has demonstrated they can play that well consistently. In fact, we have a QB with a 5:7 TD:INT so far. Not a single one of those teams had QB’s who threw more INT’s than TD’s. But do you know what team did? That’s right, the 2015 Broncos. Old big dumb corpse Peyton threw 9:17 in the regular season. And so what was the blue print for the Broncos in the postseason? Ride that defense. They had two HoF pass rushers off the edge and they dominated teams, sometimes without blitzing much at all. They had excellent DB play with Talib, and Harris and Ward. We don’t have one HoF pass rusher but we fit the rest of the blue print pretty closely. Hughes is good, but playing across a Von Miller would open his game up. Does the above mean we are guaranteed a Super Bowl if we get Von Miller? Of course not. It’s football not a ***** peer reviewed study. Only an idiot would think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Yeah. I'd give up a first for Diggs in a heartbeat. No doubt about it. Pretty sure it's unrealistic, but wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Does the above mean we are guaranteed a Super Bowl if we get Von Miller? Of course not. It’s football not a ***** peer reviewed study. Only an idiot would think otherwise. And you're the only one making that argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, DC Tom said: And you're the only one making that argument. No, I’m not. That’s your counter argument. “Are you seriously saying that we should do something because it worked one time for the Broncos!!!!!!!” I know it’s hard to hear, but you can make that same ***** counterargument for every move in the NFL. “We shouldn’t do X because it only worked one time and other times it didn’t work!!!!” We know dude. You lose. Now go get your ***** shinebox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: No, I’m not. That’s your counter argument. “Are you seriously saying that we should do something because it worked one time for the Broncos!!!!!!!” I know it’s hard to hear, but you can make that same ***** counterargument for every move in the NFL. “We shouldn’t do X because it only worked one time and other times it didn’t work!!!!” We know dude. You lose. Now go get your ***** shinebox. Okay, just to humor you, I'll pretend you didn't just make the "Von Miller won in 2005 so we should trade for him because he's not Shaq Lawson" argument, and indulge this idiocy seriously. Explain to me, using X's and O's to describe how he fits into the Bills' defensive scheme, how that scheme has to be modified, and how he works with the players around him, how Von Miller improves the Bills defense from #3 to #1 in both points allowed and yards per game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Superbowl? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Yeah man, I’d hate for Shaq Lawson to lose playing time for Von Miller. Good take. Elway is not tanking and trading Von Miller. He surely is not doing it for a 20+ 1 round pick. Trading Miller with Chubb on IR would be tanking in the eyes of Denver Bronco fans and that is not in their makeup. You are making a unrealistic argument. Why not go for Mack for a 1st and 2nd while you are at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Elway is not tanking and trading Von Miller. He surely is not doing it for a 20+ 1 round pick. Trading Miller with Chubb on IR would be tanking in the eyes of Denver Bronco fans and that is not in their makeup. You are making a unrealistic argument. Why not go for Mack for a 1st and 2nd while you are at it? Yeah nice apples to apples comparison. Mack on the Bears in his 20s to Von on the terrible Broncos in his 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Yeah nice apples to apples comparison. Mack on the Bears in his 20s to Von on the terrible Broncos in his 30s. It was sarcasm. Show me your proof that Elway is going to trade Miller for a late round 1st. Show the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Never for 2 old guys. Von’s price would set our org back measurably and our defense would be better served finding rush in FA and the draft in the next 2 years. There are younger players to be had with better asking prices. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, ColoradoBills said: It was sarcasm. Show me your proof that Elway is going to trade Miller for a late round 1st. Show the link. I’ll PM you the phone call that I have from Elway 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Locomark said: Never for 2 old guys. Von’s price would set our org back measurably and our defense would be better served finding rush in FA and the draft in the next 2 years. There are younger players to be had with better asking prices. Like the ones we need to resign on our current roster with a healthy cap. I 100% agree with you post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayman Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 (edited) If we could get AJ Green, Von Miller, and Trent Williams we could possibly make the superbowl. Of course, Allen would probably still piss the season away with god awful QBing but at least we would have a shot to overcome even his shittiness. Edited October 14, 2019 by dayman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I am not trading for AJ Green until he plays a snap this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Youth is the key, not veterans on the decline. get people on the way up, not the way down. That way you can pay them for what they will do, not what they did do and likely won’t do again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 2 hours ago, dayman said: If we could get AJ Green, Von Miller, and Trent Williams we could possibly make the superbowl. Of course, Allen would probably still piss the season away with god awful QBing but at least we would have a shot to overcome even his shittiness. THAT’S the spirit! You’re the guy I want in my foxhole! You lift everybody up. And you’re wisdom of trading draft picks for expensive, old and injured guys is hard to argue against! YAY! Go team! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I would give up next year’s first for Diggs in a heartbeat. The 22nd-26th pick in the draft which we would likely use on an unproven WR or Edge for a 25 yr old WR on a good contract for 4 more years. That’s a no brainer to me. If we were picking top 15 I would feel differently but I can’t see how we fall below 10-6 without major injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 16 hours ago, The Wiz said: Fine, 1 year. Sure. Why not? If I was playing Madden I would make that deal. Long term, no. They have the cap space but most GMs don't look at 1 year. They look long term. in the long term we're all dead. Normally I my agree, but this year with the A FC being so bad And us being one of the only few good teams makes me think differently. We gotta take advantege. In another year of two when we have our ducks in a row, could be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Give Atlanta our first round pick for Sanu and Freeman... ESKKETIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLBighits Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 1 hour ago, rayray808 said: Give Atlanta our first round pick for Sanu and Freeman... ESKKETIT Or keep are picks and get Antonio Brown a shrink and get him on a team friendly one year deal that's if he's cleared from charges but only first rounder I'd give is for Diggs or Julio Jones and maybe OBJ.. but sure that Brown could behave he would love to stick it to the Patriots owner! Pipe dream for sure though. ? p.s. no need for a running back with Gore,Singletary and Yeldon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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