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5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Behind the LOS.

 

So OL cut blocks at and ahead of the LOS would be fine. 

How far behind? This is Solder freeing up the throwing lane to Amendola a couple yards behind LOS-

 

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4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

How far behind? This is Solder freeing up the throwing lane to Amendola a couple yards behind LOS-

 

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That's what I'm envisioning as a typical legal at-the-LOS cut block. All cut blocks on a run play or a QB scrambling outside the pocket would be fine, too.

 

Pretty much anything outside the pocket. But the more specific they can make these rules, the better.

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1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

That's what I'm envisioning as a typical legal at-the-LOS cut block. All cut blocks on a run play or a QB scrambling outside the pocket would be fine, too.

 

Pretty much anything outside the pocket. But the more specific they can make these rules, the better.

So only allow them to cut block outside the tackles, at LOS (or within a yard or two?) I kind of like that idea re: player safety and injury risk tbh

 

The issue wrt the Milano play is no LB coming through the line is ever going to deliberately leave his feet to avoid the cut block by the RB...there's too much injury risk trying to dodge around or jump over a guy blocking you low when you're surrounded by linemen engaged and all your momentum is forward into the backfield. 100% of the time you're looking to keep your base and blow up the RB if he blocks you straight up or if he goes low you just let your momentum carry you through the pile. The onus can't be on the LB to try to avoid flying into the QB if he gets chopped imo

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13 hours ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:


So for whatever reason, I haven't seen this discussed.  I found this to be one of the wildest roughing the passer penalties I have ever seen.  

 

My question is this: Is there an intent element to these penalties?  If not, should there be?  

 

I mean, imagine for a moment an offensive lineman throws his guy into the quarterbacks knees.  Would the rusher still get a penalty? I feel like this is essentially what happened to Milano.  I understand accidents--such as your free hand striking a quarterbacks head--but this was more than an accident, Milano did a complete flip. This was completely unavoidable on his part.    

 

Refs have too many rules to follow and are suffering from over reactionism.

 

 

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22 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

The "encroachment" call in the red zone made me a bit more furious to be honest.

 

Was that the one where TWO Titans lined up next to eachother both false started, and Murphy (?) was flagged? I was much more furious about that than the Milano PF. Same with the blantant hold on the edge that helped spring Henry for a 20+ yard run. Those plays were literally right in front of the officials, yet they "missed" them. Same with a facemask to Allen non call. 

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46 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

This debate is still going on?  :nana:

 

No, we "won" it in the first 3 pages. The rest are just people who havent read the thread. 😎

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2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

No, we "won" it in the first 3 pages. The rest are just people who havent read the thread. 😎


Bahaha, I wish I could give you more than one emoticon of the trophy, beer mug and laughing.  

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The call was wrong and also should have drawn a tripping penalty on the Titans player.

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What it boils down to is it only matters how the QB is affected in the roughing penalty.  How he got affected that way does not matter in the least.  Milano hit Mariota low.  That's a penalty.  I suppose if Milano had been blocked into him, there might be case for appealing the ruling (or complaining about it since there is no appeal.  In this case, Milano was blocked low and his momentum carried him to Mariota's feet.  Does not matter.  Go to the rules committee and make you case that the rule should be written, but as the rule is written, it was correctly enforced.

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On 10/8/2019 at 3:34 PM, JESSEFEFFER said:

Movement that simulates the start of a play like QB head bob is illegal seems to me.  Having them both move abruptly was intended to do just that.

Also, what about Milano's holding penalty? Looked like he chucked the receiver within 5 yds.

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On 10/8/2019 at 3:08 PM, golfball323 said:

its just one of those things. When he flew into Mariota you knew the flag was coming.

 

I have to say, with all of the bad calls (PI, Roughing the QB) the refs are making this year, they do a relatively good job of making up for the bad ones. Pay attention the next time you watch a game. Make up calls have been and will be a real thing as long as refs have as much power as they do in today's game.

Unless your playing the patriots****** then ur just F$c#@D.... 

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4 hours ago, TigerJ said:

What it boils down to is it only matters how the QB is affected in the roughing penalty.  How he got affected that way does not matter in the least.  Milano hit Mariota low.  That's a penalty.  I suppose if Milano had been blocked into him, there might be case for appealing the ruling (or complaining about it since there is no appeal.  In this case, Milano was blocked low and his momentum carried him to Mariota's feet.  Does not matter.  Go to the rules committee and make you case that the rule should be written, but as the rule is written, it was correctly enforced.

 

Not true.  The refs are allowed to ignore a roughing penalty if the defender is forced into the QB by an offensive player.  Like Milano was when the Titans player tripped him and he lost control.  At best the refs didn't see what caused Milano to fly into Mariota's legs and at worst they're incompetent for a) not realizing the offensive player's actions are what led to the low hit and b) not seeing that it was an illegal trip.

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On 10/8/2019 at 3:29 PM, Sig1Hunter said:

Because the movement by the two tight ends on the end of the line wasn’t a false start. It was a shift. A shift designed to entice a jump by the defense, no doubt. But, it was a legal shift nonetheless. Trent took the bait. You can even see after the play he was patting his chest admitting it was his fault. That call was a proper call.

 

False Start

Definition

It is a False Start if the ball has been placed ready for play, and, prior to the snap, an offensive player who has assumed a set position charges or moves in such a way as to simulate the start of a play, or if an offensive player who is in motion makes a sudden movement toward the line of scrimmage. Any quick abrupt movement by a single offensive player, or by several offensive players in unison, which simulates the start of the snap, is a false start. Exceptions: This does not apply to an offensive player under the center who turns his head or shoulders, unless the movement is an obvious attempt to draw an opponent offside.

 

 

Imo, the movement in unison was abrupt.  The TE simulated a pass block set, the wing simulated the beginning of a pass route, both are common movements to the start of the play.  The TE could have lifted his arm to a 2 point stance, paused, taken 2 steps back and then the wing/slot could have taken two forward.  The way it was done was in unison and abruptly was intended to bait Murphy to react.  The crew let them get away with it and if this were a universal interpretation, we would see it more often.  Someone else tries it, we are likely to see it called "simulating start of play" and a false start much like the QB head bob and the Kyler Murray hand claps.

 

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