ngbills Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 1:26 PM, pop gun said: Allen is so far beyond what Taylor is it's a shame you can't see it. Expand Allen - 18 Ints and 13 fumbles in 16 games Taylor - 20 ints and 20 fumbles in 66 games Allen highest QBR is 114.9 (over 100 3 times); Above 90 only 3 times. Taylor highest QBR is 146.5 and over 114.9 seven times (over 100 19 times); Above 90 33 times. Allen Record - 8-8 Taylor Record - 37-28-1 We may think Allen has more upside. But reality is he has not outperformed Taylor yet. Josh has a long way to go if he wants to succeed in this league. If what he has shown this year is who he is I dont think he gets more than this season and next. 1
Paulus Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 The O-line is comically getting no blame... Allen does play hero ball a bit much, but the O-line has been really weak on the right side this year. Also, I like Allen playing hero-ball.
Lfod Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) Did people bring up Tyrod Taylor like the Bills put up more than 3 points in the playoffs against the Jaguars? Edited September 30, 2019 by Lfod
K-9 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 4:23 PM, ngbills said: Allen - 18 Ints and 13 fumbles in 16 games Taylor - 20 ints and 20 fumbles in 66 games Allen highest QBR is 114.9 (over 100 3 times); Above 90 only 3 times. Taylor highest QBR is 146.5 and over 114.9 seven times (over 100 19 times); Above 90 33 times. Allen Record - 8-8 Taylor Record - 37-28-1 We may think Allen has more upside. But reality is he has not outperformed Taylor yet. Josh has a long way to go if he wants to succeed in this league. If what he has shown this year is who he is I dont think he gets more than this season and next. Expand For crissakes, Tyrod Taylor was entering his fifth year in the league when we acquired him. Allen is a baby by comparison, especially given his background as a QB coming up through high school and college, where TT was also light years ahead on the development scale. 2 1
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 1:23 PM, MAJBobby said: how many lost fumbles? Expand Fumble recoveries rates are entirely a function of luck, but you do realize that he should have been called for a fumble vs the Giants that was picked up and returned for a TD in the first half, correct?
Protocal69 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 1:27 PM, Dan Darragh said: If Tyrod was playing yesterday we'd have won. Expand Yeah and we would be 1-3 2
IDBillzFan Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 4:46 PM, dave mcbride said: Fumble recoveries rates are entirely a function of luck, but you do realize that he should have been called for a fumble vs the Giants that was picked up and returned for a TD in the first half, correct? Expand I also know he threw a pick that wasn't a pick that gave the Pats* 3 points they never should have had. "Shoulda" shouldn't be a measuring stick for a team's performance. Just an observation.
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 4:53 PM, IDBillzFan said: I also know he threw a pick that wasn't a pick that gave the Pats* 3 points they never should have had. "Shoulda" shouldn't be a measuring stick for a team's performance. Just an observation. Expand I like Allen. But he simply has to be a lot more careful with the ball. That pick was a very bad throw into triple coverage, and it was an easy pick regardless of the weird rule that presumably should have nullified it. That non-fumble that should have been one is because he doesn't take care of it as much as he should on sack plays.
Golden*Wheels Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 I've seen him have way more pocket presence than he did yesterday. The scrambler in him seems to have been turned "OFF" for the most part as well. Weird.
IDBillzFan Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 4:55 PM, dave mcbride said: I like Allen. But he simply has to be a lot more careful with the ball. That pick was a very bad throw into triple coverage, and it was an easy pick regardless of the weird rule that presumably should have nullified it. That non-fumble that should have been one is because he doesn't take care of it as much as he should on sack plays. Expand I agree he needs to be more careful with the ball. I hate the way he holds it when he's running. But then I watch him roll to his right and throw a 20-yard dart with people in his face, and I become more forgiving. But I'm a homer, so I'm good with it. 1
ngbills Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 4:52 PM, Protocal69 said: Yeah and we would be 1-3 Expand Sorry - we would be 4-0 with Tyrod as QB. That does not mean he is the answer. Just that 3-1 is more on the Bills D than Josh Allen.
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 1:22 PM, cd1 said: He may already be afraid and that is why he is morphing into Tyrod (Throw the F-ing Ball) Taylor... Expand Unfortunately this is true.
RobbRiddick Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 12:57 PM, ******* said: When is Allen gonna learn to take care of the ball? Football 101 buddy. Expand Hey! You're that guy who hates Josh Allen! You should let people know 1
ngbills Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 4:41 PM, K-9 said: For crissakes, Tyrod Taylor was entering his fifth year in the league when we acquired him. Allen is a baby by comparison, especially given his background as a QB coming up through high school and college, where TT was also light years ahead on the development scale. Expand Who cares - I was responding to someone trying to say that Tyrod played worse than Allen. I take Allen long term over Tyrod no question. But lets keep it real, Allen has looked very shaky at times and was downright awful yesterday. Allen has much higher upside but is not a better QB consistently than Tyrod yet. Take away the turnovers, given the Bills field position yesterday I bet they get at least 2-3 more field goals yesterday and win that game with a "Tyrod" at QB.
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) On 9/30/2019 at 5:15 PM, RobbRiddick said: Hey! You're that guy who hates Josh Allen! You should let people know Expand I don't hate Josh Allen, he is one of my favorites. But many of his turnovers can be easily prevented. Time for the kids gloves to come off. If he doesn't stop playing hero ball, he is going to have to sit. Allen isn't worse than Tyrod but just like Tyrod, he is not releasing the ball when he has time in the pocket. He is waiting for guys to be wide open. It is a bad sign. Edited September 30, 2019 by K-GunJimKelly12
Dan Darragh Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 4:52 PM, Protocal69 said: Yeah and we would be 1-3 Expand If you think that the point of the comment is that we should have kept Tyrod then you missed the point.
Bangarang Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) On 9/30/2019 at 4:41 PM, K-9 said: For crissakes, Tyrod Taylor was entering his fifth year in the league when we acquired him. Allen is a baby by comparison, especially given his background as a QB coming up through high school and college, where TT was also light years ahead on the development scale. Expand yeah but Tyrod hadn’t started 16 games yet so he was still a rookie. That’s how it works right? Edited September 30, 2019 by Bangarang 1
Protocal69 Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 5:32 PM, Dan Darragh said: If you think that the point of the comment is that we should have kept Tyrod then you missed the point. Expand Never said that. U putting words in my mouth.
london_bills Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 Its a delicate balance for sure. Can become a psychological issue
MAJBobby Posted September 30, 2019 Posted September 30, 2019 On 9/30/2019 at 3:10 PM, Blokestradamus said: That's not how this works, Bobby. You can't be a team that preaches process and then argue that bad process is good just because you're lucky. Expand QBs fumble. Those are facts. No matter how much process you preach. On 9/30/2019 at 3:21 PM, cle23 said: Brady has been playing 20 years. 20! Allen has 25% the fumbles in like 8% of the games played. Expand Notice you ignored Mahomes and Watson interesting
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