Big Gun Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 11/4/2019 at 12:45 PM, SoCal Deek said: So the Democrats are desperate to 'expose' the tax returns of a US Citizen, who's been under the annual scrutiny on his personal finances by a federal agency like the IRS....even years before he considered running for office....but they have less than zero interest in learning how a sitting Vice President was leveraging US Taxpayers dollars for his own personal benefit? Nice! Yup, you just can't fix stupid! Liberals are the most ignorant people around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 President Donald Trump has reneged on a pledge to release his tax returns after an IRS audit, confirming what many have long suspected: that the real obstacle to disclosure is Trump himself. "I'm under a routine audit, and it'll be released, and as soon as the audit is finished it will be released," Trump said at the first presidential debate in September. Hope Hicks, White House director of strategic communication: "Once the audit is over." https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1421/release-his-tax-returns-after-audit-completed/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 6 minutes ago, ALF said: President Donald Trump has reneged on a pledge to release his tax returns after an IRS audit, confirming what many have long suspected: that the real obstacle to disclosure is Trump himself. "I'm under a routine audit, and it'll be released, and as soon as the audit is finished it will be released," Trump said at the first presidential debate in September. Hope Hicks, White House director of strategic communication: "Once the audit is over." https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1421/release-his-tax-returns-after-audit-completed/ So he lied? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Isn’t the “prosecutor” in this case the same guy who took money from Harvey Weinstein while at the same time declined to prosecute him? Swamp indeed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Another quick reminder: Tax Returns are already submitted and reviewed by the IRS. People do NOT fill them with illegal entries. This is just (another) attempt to try and embarrass the President. Please resume your spin. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123719bwiqrb Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said: Yes. But shh. He's a hero now because "this time he's going to get Trump!" Gary/Warren - why did you make this username? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, ALF said: President Donald Trump has reneged on a pledge to release his tax returns after an IRS audit, confirming what many have long suspected: that the real obstacle to disclosure is Trump himself. "I'm under a routine audit, and it'll be released, and as soon as the audit is finished it will be released," Trump said at the first presidential debate in September. Hope Hicks, White House director of strategic communication: "Once the audit is over." https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1421/release-his-tax-returns-after-audit-completed/ He passed the audit so he's cool right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: He passed the audit so he's cool right? So nothing to hide right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, ALF said: So nothing to hide right ? I have no idea. But we do know there is nothing sinister going on with his finances correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, ALF said: So nothing to hide right ? So.........no reason for everyone to see them, right ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said: Considering 45 is the most vetted president in modern US history, we do. Tell us more please. And which line/schedule of his tax return will show this and if so why did his audit not show it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 18 minutes ago, ALF said: So nothing to hide right ? If you have nothing to hide why would you care if the police can search your house without a warrant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said: Might want to take another swing at reading my statement You might want to take a better swing at being clear with your statement. Edited July 9, 2020 by Chef Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Winston Zeddemore said: I was pretty clearly agreeing with your comment. 45 is without a doubt the most vetted president in history. If there was financial fukkery afoot, it would have come out long ago during any of the multi-agency investigations into him, his family, and his administration. Those clinging to his tax returns being some sort of smoking gun are not tethered to reality. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Junior just threw down the gauntlet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) OK, I've been hired by CNN to write an article. They've paid me handsomely. It'll go live on their site overnight. Here it is: Trump's Tax Returns, We've Got "Em! In a stunning disclosure Donald Trump's tax returns were made available to an anonymous third party who reviewed them earlier today. The returns cover the tax years 2015 - 2017 an amass more than 4,000 pages for each tax year. According to the source, Trump's personal income derived from his various real estate, hospitality and entertainment businesses averaged over $300,000,000 each year over the three year stretch. It's quite apparent now why Trump has refused to provide this information, which is customarily provided by Presidents and Presidential candidates. Trump's average Federal tax rate paid on his gawdy income is only 17.8%. That's similar to Mitt Romney who was exposed during the 2012 campaign. It's also less than is paid by Warren Buffet's secretary. For comparison sake that's a similar tax burden to a single filer making about $50,000 per year. Never mind that Trump paid over $175 million in Federal taxes over the period. How you might ask is this possible? How is this just? How could a sitting President hide this from his country? Well, Trump who employs a team of tax experts that occupy an entire floor of his Trump Tower HQ in New York used a variety of loopholes and tax tricks that only benefit the wealthy. For example, he has loss carry forward entries from several failing real estate investments that reduced his taxable income. He also used 1031 exchanges to mask profits from the sale of some properties while investing in others. Additionally said the source, there are gargantuan depreciation expenses which usually favor the rich. Also found were egregious expense deductions for cadillac health insurance policies for employees, millions in private jet expenses and various "meetings" held at Mar-A-Lago. Trump's children continue to hide their tax returns, but it's fair to assume that they too have earned incomes putting them into the top 1% and have paid lower tax rate rates than main streeters all across the country. The source explained that the returns also show a variety or expenses and revenues which could be related to Russia. There is nothing in the return documents that rule out this possibility. This is very troubling given the widely reported Russian influence in the 2016 election cycle. One has to wonder had Trump disclosed his taxes in early 2016 when the public was clamoring for them might Hillary have won? Instead our country has elected a man who hid his taxes, signed new tax laws that benefit him personally to the tune of millions of dollars a year, and has continued to earn outrageous sums of money while failing to lead the country effectively. We reached out to Hillary Clinton for comment and she stated "This revelation while not unexpected is further evidence of Trump using every trick in the book and some not in the book for personal financial gain and he's done so on the backs of every day Americans and immigrants". "If this isn't grounds for a 2nd impeachment, then I don't know what is." Our calls to the Trump organization for comment were not immediately returned. Happy Now? Edited July 10, 2020 by keepthefaith 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 3 hours ago, B-Man said: Another quick reminder: Tax Returns are already submitted and reviewed by the IRS. People do NOT fill them with illegal entries. This is just (another) attempt to try and embarrass the President. Please resume your spin. I, for one, hope they are eventually released. I cannot wait until all the twitter constitutional scholars on the left suddenly become twitter tax experts as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Tiberius said: Next, he will be serving Kool Aid to the fools And they will slurp it up. On 11/27/2019 at 11:28 AM, 3rdnlng said: This is why it is important to keep his tax returns private. People who don't know schitt from shinola will try to analyze things and they will be wrong. They will easily confuse assessed value with appraised value and gross vs. net. Hoax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 This is great news... If Trump was a criminal tax cheat, the IRS would have crushed him by now... Also, we can sue in state courts for the financial records of our federal representatives... Representatives and senators are likely to have to lawyer up sooner than later themselves... Boomerangs baby... Boomerangs... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 People are silly. Trump shouldn't have to answer to anyone. He is perfect. He told us that, so how can it not be true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 37 minutes ago, Kemp said: People are silly. Trump shouldn't have to answer to anyone. He is perfect. He told us that, so how can it not be true? I’ve PM’d you IRS form 8821. Please sign and return to me. I will report my findings. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, Kemp said: People are silly. Trump shouldn't have to answer to anyone. He is perfect. He told us that, so how can it not be true? Next thing you know he’s going to be forced to show his BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 Why would anyone care about the tax returns of a guy that’s been rich for decades before he ran for office? We ought to be concerned about the people who get rich after spending decades doing nothing but being in office. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, KD in CA said: We ought to be concerned about the people who get rich after spending decades doing nothing but being in office. And their husbands, wives and children 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 4 minutes ago, Kemp said: Why won’t Nancy Pelosi release hers? Why won’t you demand to see hers? Congress creates the tax code not POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 The cover up of Russia and Trump continues. An attack on our nation is being openly covered up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Tiberius said: The cover up of Russia and Trump continues. An attack on our nation is being openly covered up. So there is an attack on the US buried in his tax return? Huh. Are the winning lottery numbers buried in there too? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Why won’t Nancy Pelosi release hers? Why won’t you demand to see hers? Congress creates the tax code not POTUS. Nice deflection. The point is that when running for President, everyone has released their taxes since Gerald Ford. What do you think is stopping Trump? First he lied and said he couldn't release them because he is being audited. There is no such law that states this. Then he changed it to that he will release them. Then back to he wouldn't. Everyone knows he's hiding something. You don't have to be a stable genius to understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kemp said: Nice deflection. The point is that when running for President, everyone has released their taxes since Gerald Ford. What do you think is stopping Trump? First he lied and said he couldn't release them because he is being audited. There is no such law that states this. Then he changed it to that he will release them. Then back to he wouldn't. Everyone knows he's hiding something. You don't have to be a stable genius to understand that. Trump’s a schmuck. But what is really funny is saying there is no law stating he has to wait until an audit is finished to release them. Do you realize how absolutely dumb that remark is? So everyone knows he’s hiding something? I know it’s hard to know what he’s hiding but what would be your best guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Trump’s a schmuck. But what is really funny is saying there is no law stating he has to wait until an audit is finished to release them. Do you realize how absolutely dumb that remark is? So everyone knows he’s hiding something? I know it’s hard to know what he’s hiding but what would be your best guess? So, at least you admit that Trump could have released his taxes even if he was being audited, so now we have established that he is lying for some reason. The reason is hard to be sure of, but we do know that it would cause him great embarrassment, lessen his chances of being re-elected, and possibly cause charges to be brought against him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, Kemp said: So, at least you admit that Trump could have released his taxes even if he was being audited, so now we have established that he is lying for some reason. The reason is hard to be sure of, but we do know that it would cause him great embarrassment, lessen his chances of being re-elected, and possibly cause charges to be brought against him. Wrong....again. This is EXACTLY like the Obama birth certificate issue. For years the Left claimed he didn’t have to show, or he couldn’t find it! Why? Because Obama thought it created a rallying cry for his base. The difference is you CANNOT be President if you’re not a naturally born citizen whereas you CAN be President even if your finances are a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 20 minutes ago, Kemp said: So, at least you admit that Trump could have released his taxes even if he was being audited, so now we have established that he is lying for some reason. The reason is hard to be sure of, but we do know that it would cause him great embarrassment, lessen his chances of being re-elected, and possibly cause charges to be brought against him. So, the fact that the IRS has reviewed what must have been very complicated tax returns over Trump's many years of filing means nothing? How can you count on the government to do anything right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 On 7/10/2020 at 8:22 AM, Reality Check said: This is great news... If Trump was a criminal tax cheat, the IRS would have crushed him by now... Also, we can sue in state courts for the financial records of our federal representatives... Representatives and senators are likely to have to lawyer up sooner than later themselves... Boomerangs baby... Boomerangs... ...the ongoing obsession with his tax returns should be a TOP PRIORITY.....it's not like we have FAR more important issues to face, right?...SMH............ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: So, the fact that the IRS has reviewed what must have been very complicated tax returns over Trump's many years of filing means nothing? How can you count on the government to do anything right? Correct! This should absolutely not be allowed for anyone...not just a president or candidate. Your personal tax returns are nobody’s business. There is already plenty of oversight from a government agency that operates under an accepted non disclosure agreement. Politicians should NOT be allowed anywhere near someone’s tax returns. This is very dangerous! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Correct! This should absolutely not be allowed for anyone...not just a president or candidate. Your personal tax returns are nobody’s business. There is already plenty of oversight from a government agency that operates under an accepted non disclosure agreement. Politicians should NOT be allowed anywhere near someone’s tax returns. This is very dangerous! The only reason the Left want his (very complicated) tax returns is to enable them to take things out of context and misconstrue them. The most important thing to them is not the truth but whatever perception they can conjure up that favors them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Wrong....again. This is EXACTLY like the Obama birth certificate issue. For years the Left claimed he didn’t have to show, or he couldn’t find it! Why? Because Obama thought it created a rallying cry for his base. The difference is you CANNOT be President if you’re not a naturally born citizen whereas you CAN be President even if your finances are a mess. No one is saying he has to by law release his taxes, only that everyone since Ford has. Trump keeps changing his stories about taxes, lying as he goes. If he has nothing to hide, he would release them. He has often bragged how rich he is. You would think he'd be proud to show us his vast wealth. 29 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: So, the fact that the IRS has reviewed what must have been very complicated tax returns over Trump's many years of filing means nothing? How can you count on the government to do anything right? Correct. It means nothing as to why he won't release them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kemp said: No one is saying he has to by law release his taxes, only that everyone since Ford has. Trump keeps changing his stories about taxes, lying as he goes. If he has nothing to hide, he would release them. He has often bragged how rich he is. You would think he'd be proud to show us his vast wealth. Correct. It means nothing as to why he won't release them. Have you ever looked at any Presidential Candidate’s tax returns? What, exactly, are you looking to find? What Trump should have said from the get-go is eff off about seeing the returns, period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Just now, snafu said: Have you ever looked at any Presidential Candidate’s tax returns? What, exactly, are you looking to find? What Trump should have said from the get-go is eff off about seeing the returns, period. It might show if he committed fraud on taxes, insurance etc. As Nixon said, Americans have a right to know if their president is a crook or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kemp said: No one is saying he has to by law release his taxes, only that everyone since Ford has. Trump keeps changing his stories about taxes, lying as he goes. If he has nothing to hide, he would release them. He has often bragged how rich he is. You would think he'd be proud to show us his vast wealth. Correct. It means nothing as to why he won't release them. It's because his opponents are basically liars and will twist whatever they can. Can you imagine a Schiff, Nadler, Pelosi, Schumer or Reid with free reign to interpret 1000's of pages of his tax returns? The Democrat Party is the party of liars. Everything they promote has to have a title that means something other than their true purpose. Just now, Tiberius said: It might show if he committed fraud on taxes, insurance etc. As Nixon said, Americans have a right to know if their president is a crook or not So, Nadler and Schiff are better positioned to determine this than the IRS? This is a poor hill for you to die on. Even a kitty runs out of lives eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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