Brand J Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) On 9/13/2019 at 2:03 PM, Gugny said: Thank you! I couldn't remember if it was Ford or Ty, but one of them got pancaked BAD. Expand If you’re referring to the play Nsekhe fell on his butt seconds after the snap, it wasn’t a pancake. I’ve watched that play 3 or 4 times trying to figure out why he fell, but I could only guess his foot got stepped on. He went down without a lineman touching him. Edited September 13, 2019 by JayBaller10
Gugny Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 4:25 PM, JayBaller10 said: If you’re referring to the play Nsekhe fell on his butt seconds after the snap, it wasn’t a pancake. I’ve watched that play 3 or 4 times trying to figure out why he fell, but I could only guess his foot got stepped on. He went down without a lineman touching him. Expand That is likely the one. In fairness, I caught it in my peripheral vision and never looked at a replay. I just remember saying, "damn, someone got pancaked!"
Alphadawg7 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 1:39 PM, DrDawkinstein said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27584726/nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard NFL pass-blocking, pass-rushing rankings: 2019 PBWR, PRWR leaderboard Top 10 OT Pass Block Win Rate 1. La'el Collins, Cowboys, 100% 2. Greg Robinson, Browns, 100%3. Ty Nsekhe, Bills, 100% 4. Mike McGlinchey, 49ers, 100% 5. Orlando Brown Jr., Ravens, 100%6. Cody Ford, Bills, 100% 7. Andrew Whitworth, Rams, 96% 8. Nate Solder, Giants, 96% 9. Kelvin Beachum, Jets, 96% 10. Brandon Shell, Jets, 96% I know a lot of folks have said Ford looked bad, but the analytics say different. Expand PFF ranked them below average too. Then again PFF gave Motor a “poor” score too because he bobbled 2 catches that he still caught. Lol
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 Love to see the same stats on LT, see how Dion Dawkins graded out (uh oh!)
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) On 9/13/2019 at 2:01 PM, NextYear'sTheOne said: I distinctly remember Ty falling flat on his back immediately after the snap on one play. Josh stepped up nicely and dropped a dime to Cole that he dropped, but idk how you can give a 100% grade when he let a free rusher in. Does anyone else remember the play I'm referring to? Expand Me too. I genuinely doubt these numbers. I have only got halfway through the all 22 and I have seen a couple of breakdowns from Cody and one from Ty. Edited September 13, 2019 by GunnerBill
thunderingsquid Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) On 9/13/2019 at 1:39 PM, DrDawkinstein said: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27584726/nfl-pass-blocking-pass-rushing-rankings-2019-pbwr-prwr-leaderboard NFL pass-blocking, pass-rushing rankings: 2019 PBWR, PRWR leaderboard Top 10 OT Pass Block Win Rate 1. La'el Collins, Cowboys, 100% 2. Greg Robinson, Browns, 100%3. Ty Nsekhe, Bills, 100% 4. Mike McGlinchey, 49ers, 100% 5. Orlando Brown Jr., Ravens, 100%6. Cody Ford, Bills, 100% 7. Andrew Whitworth, Rams, 96% 8. Nate Solder, Giants, 96% 9. Kelvin Beachum, Jets, 96% 10. Brandon Shell, Jets, 96% I know a lot of folks have said Ford looked bad, but the analytics say different. Expand I'm really glad that you brought this topic up. When did we make the in-game adjustment to the o-line? I give our coaching staff mad props because things really improved in the 2nd half obviously and in game line shifts are really risky and the move was really brave. Is it a foregone conclusion that we will see a Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Ford-Nsekhe lineup going forward? Edited September 13, 2019 by thunderingsquid
DrDawkinstein Posted September 13, 2019 Author Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 4:55 PM, thunderingsquid said: I'm really glad that you brought this topic up. When did me make the in-game adjustment to the o-line? I give our coaching staff mad props because things really improved in the 2nd half obviously and in game line shifts are really risky and the move was really brave. Is it a foregone conclusion that we will see a Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Ford-Nsekhe lineup going forward? Expand In his post-game, McD said rotating Ty in for Ford was planned and scripted. They didnt want to overwhelm the rookie in his first game, and wanted to give him a chance to come out and watch with the coaches, while rotating back in. Said they had practiced like that during the week, so it wasn't much of a risk. If that is true, and he wasnt simply protecting Ford in the presser, then I give McD and Co. credit for having a good development plan for Ford, and for keeping a capable veteran in their pocket. 1 1
chris heff Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 1:45 PM, Royale with Cheese said: We'll just play with two right tackles then. Expand Better than last year when they played with no right tackle. 2
Thurman#1 Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) Either Nsekhe or the blocking scheme got Allen knocked down but not sacked at 1:10 in the 2nd quarter. It's on the NFL highlights package. They put the RB outside Nsekhe and he chipped the rusher on the way out for a pass and Nsekhe went and blocked nobody in the middle leaving Allen to get popped just after he threw a completion to Brown. Edited September 13, 2019 by Thurman#1 1
CBD Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 The play where Beasley dropped the over the shoulder pass, Nsekhe tripped and whiffed, forcing a rushed throw from Josh Allen. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted September 13, 2019 Author Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 4:55 PM, thunderingsquid said: Is it a foregone conclusion that we will see a Dawkins-Spain-Morse-Ford-Nsekhe lineup going forward? Expand IMHO, I dont think so. I dont think they drafted Ford and started him Day 1 at RT to end up being a Guard. Even just for now. I have no problem rolling like they did Week 1 and giving Ford a chance to develop. 1
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 No way they were both 100%. I remember several plays that did not look good. One play it looked like the RT was down blocking for a run instead of pass blocking and missed a stunt badly. I know this was pass blocking grade, but they were not good in run blocking either. Three of the big runs were to the left and the other up the middle. No success running right last week.
Rockinon Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 I think another thing that is playing a part in the rotation is how well Feliciano is playing. Ford is rotating positions but Feliciano was too before Mitch Morse came back. Thing is Feliciano has been playing extremely well at RG. Ford I think is simply being worked in at both guard and tackle to get the rookie experience at both positions. The right side of that OL is looking strong IMO. 2
DrDawkinstein Posted September 13, 2019 Author Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 7:54 PM, Rockinon said: I think another thing that is playing a part in the rotation is how well Feliciano is playing. Ford is rotating positions but Feliciano was too before Mitch Morse came back. Thing is Feliciano has been playing extremely well at RG. Ford I think is simply being worked in at both guard and tackle to get the rookie experience at both positions. The right side of that OL is looking strong IMO. Expand Did they play Ford at RG in the Jets game? McD made it sound like he was completely off the field when not at RT.
Rockinon Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) I thought I heard a commentator say Ford was in at guard at some point in the game but didn't really pay attention to individual OLmen. was more focused on the skill positions while watching the game. Just basing my opinion on articles coming out after the game really. Edited September 13, 2019 by Rockinon
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2019 Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 7:55 PM, DrDawkinstein said: Did they play Ford at RG in the Jets game? McD made it sound like he was completely off the field when not at RT. Expand No Feliciano played 100% of the snaps. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted September 13, 2019 Author Posted September 13, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 8:18 PM, GunnerBill said: No Feliciano played 100% of the snaps. Expand That's what I thought as well, and how McD made it sound. Yeah, I think they may continue to split time at RT for Ford's development. But barring injury, I dont see him moving to Guard. That's not his future.
hemma Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 Greg Robinson is the interesting name on that list. Took a few years, but he just might be putting it together.
Big Turk Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) On 9/13/2019 at 1:50 PM, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The metric is whether a tackle can hold the block for 2.5 seconds. I guess that is the magic number. He may have gotten beat, but he hit that 2.5 second mark, apparently. Expand That sounds about right...an OT shouldn'tt be dinged because a QB is holding the ball too long...that might be on the QB or on the receivers for not getting open Edited September 14, 2019 by matter2003
BringBackFergy Posted September 14, 2019 Posted September 14, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 3:23 PM, DJB said: No chance this is accurate. Neskhe directly got beaten once really badly and Allen had to rush a throw incomoplete to Beasley on the sideline. I rewatched the game twice. Expand You watched live for 3 hours and then watched twice again 2 hours each time? There’s a little button called “FF” which means “fast forward”. Try it out next time. But if you seriously watched the whole game three times, kudos my man.
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