Week 1: The good, the bad, and the missing

[LABILLBACKER]

Good accurate write up. Gore looked old and slow. Keeping Murphy would've been the better play. Cole did struggle but I still think he'll be our Edelman. Duke will be promoted soon for someone? This D makes me smile.

[MDH]

3 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

AD7 already called it out; 2 catches on 5 targets. That’s been Zays MO for 2+ seasons now. 

P.S. it’s unacceptable.

When DiMarco catches 2 1st quarter passes, someone isn’t working hard enough to get open. McKittrick wasn’t trusted to handle ONE punt and this wasn’t a game where his gadget ‘expertise’ could be attempted.

 

Nobody is saying Zay is a great wideout. But he's not complete trash, like many on this board try to portray him.

 

He gets open on a pretty consistent basis. People don't like him because he drops more than his fair share of balls - which is a fair critique. But as I said in a thread a month ago, I'd rather have a guy that gets open and drops a few balls than a guy who just can't get open, that's Duke Williams. There's a reason no team picked up Duke, it's because he couldn't get separation from guys who are bagging groceries right now. He relied on making contested catches against those guys. He wouldn't make nearly as many of those against starting DBs and coaching staffs know this.

 

Unfortunately for the Bills they don't have someone better than Jones right now. Hopefully they will in the future. 

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You ignored what I said in the last post.  

 

And stop about Zay...you are making this about Zay.  I literally criticized every single WR on this roster not named Brown.  Cole was listed in the bad and we challenged anyone not named Brown to step up.  

 

You want to make it SOLELY about Zay then go ahead.  I said SOMEONE needs to step up.  You came back with 100 excuses again for starting a game and not contributing.  3 years in, and we are still making excuses for 22 yard games.  Unbelievable.  

 

 

I made it about Zay because he's the only one who saw the field. How can you blame guys who are sitting on the bench? 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

The Zay takes are exhausting. It was dumb then, it is dumb now.  5 "targets" does not mean 5 catch-able balls were thrown at him. You are just reading a stat line. You know darn well he caught every catch-able ball sent his way. 

[Patrick Duffy]

40 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Pretty spot on. Bob Foster will end up cut, he was the best of the worst wr's in the league last year. No he's a after thought.

 

I don't think so. I think they keep him in case J. Brown gets injured.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

come on @Alphadawg7

 

I let it go just because  ...  All off season we heard Zay is't a #1, or  #2, or a #3.  

 

Now he's used in the game sparingly and he went IIRC 2 of 3, the one on an overthrown ball by Josh  (or as the haters will say Zay wasn't fast enough) 

 

Where was the awesomest Bob Foster???  

 

I only recalled seeing Zay near the ball 3 times.  Are we back to calling a ball within 10 feet a "target" 

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2019.htm

 

ZERO Foster stats

Edited September 9, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[SCBills]

I agree with most of the OP’s take, but I think criticizing Zay yesterday is a miss.  

 

He was only targeted a few times and caught both catchable balls his way, including a clutch grab in the 4th.  

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

And......he starts a thread to further two agendas, even though his "hot take" was wrong on one and his thoughts on the other the coaches don't share. Pretty sure Beane & coach have a better idea with regards to both WRs, but keep banging that drum. Bang...bang...bang.

[VW82]

I thought Shaq Lawson was excellent. He's so skilled at batting down balls at the line and even though his initial rush isn't anything to write home about, his second effort yesterday was very good. There was a lot to like defensively vs the Jets and Shaq was near the top of the list.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

31 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

AD7 already called it out; 2 catches on 5 targets. That’s been Zays MO for 2+ seasons now. 

P.S. it’s unacceptable.

When DiMarco catches 2 1st quarter passes, someone isn’t working hard enough to get open. McKittrick wasn’t trusted to handle ONE punt and this wasn’t a game where his gadget ‘expertise’ could be attempted.

 

Again   .....  How many were truly catchable? 

 

Zay got a demotion and y'all are still demanding #1 WR numbers ... 

 

 

the only time I recall hearing Zay's name was the over throw by Josh on the deep ball and the 2 catches.  

 

[RyanC883]

I'd like to see Duke up here.  I think he makes some "uncatchable" catches.  

 

Cole on the bad is interesting, but yeah, the drops were surprising.  I think once him and Allen get more on the same page in game environments, he becomes a pro-bowl caliber year!   He was always open yesterday.  He can become an extension of the run game the way the Pats use the run game with their slot receiver getting 4-8 yard chunks.  

 

I think Foster shows up.  If he had a bad toe injury, then even if that's healed, he's not fully in shape yet cardio wise.  I'd give it a few games.  

 

Very glad we have Brown, he is a beast, and the Singletary pick looks great.  

4 minutes ago, VW82 said:

I thought Shaq Lawson was excellent. He's so skilled at batting down balls at the line and even though his initial rush isn't anything to write home about, his second effort yesterday was very good. There was a lot to like defensively vs the Jets and Shaq was near the top of the list.

 

Lawson was everywhere.  Great point about the second effort.  He likely isn't a guy who gets a sack in a first move, but he can bat it down, or provide a sack on cleanup.  His technique and effort were outstanding yesterday.  WE'll need his run D v. Barkely! 

[Lurker]

Good:

 

Defensive Team Statistics (ranked by Yds/P)

Rk	Team	G	Pts/G	TotPts	Scrm Plys	Yds/G	Yds/P	1st/G	3rd Md	3rd Att	3rd Pct	4th Md	4th Att	4th Pct	Pen	Pen Yds	ToP/G	FUM	Lost
1	Buffalo Bills	1	16	16	66	223.0	3.4	17.0	7	17	41	1	2	50	8	67	32:01	2	1
2	Chicago Bears	1	10	10	57	213.0	3.7	13.0	2	12	17	0	0	0	10	71	31:03	0	0
3	Green Bay Packers	1	3	3	65	254.0	3.9	16.0	3	15	20	0	2	0	10	107	28:57	0	0
4	Baltimore Ravens	1	10	10	47	200.0	4.3	12.0	3	10	30	0	0	0	9	64	19:53	1	1
5	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	1	31	31	60	256.0	4.3	17.0	5	13	38	0	0	0	11	87	30:04	1	1
6	San Francisco 49ers	1	17	17	65	295.0	4.5	21.0	5	11	46	0	2	0	8	87	29:56	3	1
7	Detroit Lions	1	27	27	82	387.0	4.7	21.0	9	22	41	0	0	0	7	35	30:37	0	0
8	Cincinnati Bengals	1	21	21	49	233.0	4.8	12.0	4	12	33	0	0	0	8	55	24:10	1	1
9	Carolina Panthers	1	30	30	72	349.0	4.8	22.0	9	17	53	0	0	0	5	43	33:16	1	0
10	New England Patriots	1	3	3	61	308.0	5.0	15.0	3	12	25	1	3	33	6	54	27:27	2	0
11	Minnesota Vikings	1	12	12	67	345.0	5.1	27.0	2	8	25	2	2	100	9	78	30:13	1	1
12	Los Angeles Rams	1	27	27	64	343.0	5.4	21.0	5	11	46	0	0	0	6	46	26:44	2	2
13	Atlanta Falcons	1	28	28	49	269.0	5.5	18.0	5	10	50	0	0	0	11	100	29:47	2	0
14	Tennessee Titans	1	13	13	63	346.0	5.5	19.0	1	10	10	0	2	0	18	182	30:42	0	0
15	New York Jets	1	17	17	63	370.0	5.9	23.0	5	10	50	0	1	0	7	55	27:59	2	2
16	Arizona Cardinals	1	27	27	80	477.0	6.0	23.0	6	18	33	0	1	0	9	59	39:23	3	2
17	Cleveland Browns	1	43	43	56	339.0	6.1	21.0	2	10	20	0	0	0	6	54	29:18	0	0
18	Los Angeles Chargers	1	24	24	62	376.0	6.1	22.0	7	13	54	1	1	100	3	10	32:09	1	0
19	Seattle Seahawks	1	20	20	70	429.0	6.1	22.0	6	15	40	0	1	0	7	57	35:50	4	3
20	Washington Redskins	1	32	32	71	436.0	6.1	22.0	11	17	65	1	2	50	6	55	34:27	0	0
21	Philadelphia Eagles	1	27	27	58	398.0	6.9	15.0	5	13	38	2	2	100	12	96	25:33	0	0
22	Pittsburgh Steelers	1	33	33	67	465.0	6.9	24.0	7	14	50	0	0	0	7	55	32:33	0	0
23	Dallas Cowboys	1	17	17	66	470.0	7.1	25.0	2	11	18	1	3	33	8	70	27:42	3	2
24	Indianapolis Colts	1	30	30	59	435.0	7.4	25.0	7	11	64	0	0	0	3	20	32:50	2	1
25	New York Giants	1	35	35	62	494.0	8.0	23.0	6	10	60	0	0	0	6	47	32:18	0	0
26	Jacksonville Jaguars	1	40	40	60	491.0	8.2	24.0	5	10	50	0	0	0	5	55	31:15	0	0
27	Kansas City Chiefs	1	26	26	50	428.0	8.6	18.0	5	10	50	0	0	0	10	71	28:45	1	1
28	Miami Dolphins	1	59	59	73	643.0	8.8	31.0	7	11	64	2	2	100	4	40	40:07	0	0

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, VW82 said:

I thought Shaq Lawson was excellent. He's so skilled at batting down balls at the line and even though his initial rush isn't anything to write home about, his second effort yesterday was very good. There was a lot to like defensively vs the Jets and Shaq was near the top of the list.

 

Completely agree. Probably Shaq's best game as a pro.

[BillsFan130]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I agree with most of the OP’s take, but I think criticizing Zay yesterday is a miss.  

 

He was only targeted a few times and caught both catchable balls his way, including a clutch grab in the 4th.  

Are our expectations that low from our receivers that 2 catches for 18 yards by a starting WR shouldn’t be criticized?

 

I Haven’t seen the all 22 so I can’t say if Zay was running open all game, but from his past 2 awful seasons he doesn’t really get the benefit of the doubt. At least in my opinion

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Are our expectations that low from our receivers that 2 catches for 18 yards by a starting WR shouldn’t be criticized?

 

I Haven’t seen the all 22 so I can’t say if Zay was running open all game, but from his past 2 awful seasons he doesn’t really get the benefit of the doubt. At least in my opinion

 

Hes the #3 WR and I’m not sure what to glean from the fact he was rarely targeted and only had two catches.  He caught the two throws his way that were catchable. 

 

Maybe the All-22 makes him look worse, maybe he looks better.   Maybe the Giants shade coverage Brown’s way and we see Zay have a bigger game Sunday. 

 

Edited September 9, 2019 by SCBills

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Pretty spot on. Bob Foster will end up cut, he was the best of the worst wr's in the league last year. No he's a after thought.

Oh no you don't. Cannot have yet another WR scrub going somewhere like the Rams or the Pats to be reborn as world-beaters...let's put them all on lockdown and never speak of this again. 

[Royale with Cheese]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-will-hold-kicker-tryouts-after-kaare-vedvik-struggles-in-opener-as-they-seek-third-new-kicker-in-a-month/

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Can't see why Daboll on the bad list. His offense worked all game, derailed only by stupid turnovers. If anything waiting to use Singletary was a stroke of genius. The Jets had no answer.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

23 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Good:

 

Defensive Team Statistics (ranked by Yds/P)

Rk	Team	G	Pts/G

1

Buffalo Bills

1

16

16

 

 

Isn't this a fallacy?

 

The Bills Defense gave up 11 points 

6, 2 pt cnv and a FG.  

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Can't see why Daboll on the bad list. His offense worked all game, derailed only by stupid turnovers. If anything waiting to use Singletary was a stroke of genius. The Jets had no answer.

 

It comes down to who made the calls and what they may have told Josh which plays to audible to  

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

5 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

Isn't this a fallacy?

 

The Bills Defense gave up 11 points 

6, 2 pt cnv and a FG.  

 

It comes down to who made the calls and what they may have told Josh which plays to audible to  

8- TD + 2 point conversion.

 

[Alphadawg7]

56 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

come on @Alphadawg7

 

I let it go just because  ...  All off season we heard Zay is't a #1, or  #2, or a #3.  

 

Now he's used in the game sparingly and he went IIRC 2 of 3, the one on an overthrown ball by Josh  (or as the haters will say Zay wasn't fast enough) 

 

Where was the awesomest Bob Foster???  

 

I only recalled seeing Zay near the ball 3 times.  Are we back to calling a ball within 10 feet a "target" 

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2019.htm

 

ZERO Foster stats

 

Did you NOT read my post where I called out Foster and every WR NOT named Brown?  Lmao, it’s all you focusing on Zay, not me