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Would you trade a 1 for Zeke?

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5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I think the Bills' RB situation is arguably the best in the league, so no, I wouldn't make that trade. They need that first to take a stud WR next year in what's going to be an amazing WR draft. 

^^this right here.

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3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I think the Bills' RB situation is arguably the best in the league, so no, I wouldn't make that trade. They need that first to take a stud WR next year in what's going to be an amazing WR draft. 

If they were to make a deal for Zeke they would have a star. They could turn around and trade Shady for a late round pick (say a 5th). The Bills have the most cap space in the league next year so Zeke’s contract is no issue. You’d take your 2nd round pick and something else to move up into the late 1st or early 2nd. There are potentially 6 WRs going in the 1st next year. It’s one of the great WR drafts ever. You can get a guy at 35(ish) that would have went 18 in most drafts. You can still get a number 1 caliber WR (and this is coming from someone that thinks that’s the Bills biggest need). 

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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

If they were to make a deal for Zeke they would have a star. They could turn around and trade Shady for a late round pick (say a 5th). The Bills have the most cap space in the league next year so Zeke’s contract is no issue. You’d take your 2nd round pick and something else to move up into the late 1st or early 2nd. There are potentially 6 WRs going in the 1st next year. It’s one of the great WR drafts ever. You can get a guy at 35(ish) that would have went 18 in most drafts. You can still get a number 1 caliber WR (and this is coming from someone that thinks that’s the Bills biggest need). 

give it up kirby. there aint no zeke comin' 'round here.

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2 minutes ago, JohnC said:

No one can argue that he isn't an elite player. Without question he is the best and most important player on offense for Dallas. However, I don't trust him, especially off the field. I'm not categorizing him as a bad dude but he is an immature and volatile person who has a history of incidents. None of the incidents individually are at a serious level. But when he continues to have incident after incident when he is already in a precarious situation with the league then his behavior is too problematic to make a major investment in and commitment to. No thank you. 

This is fair. As someone that’s followed him for a while, I think a lot of it is overblown. It is still there though. I’m not that concerned over it but can see some would be.

1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

give it up kirby. there aint no zeke comin' 'round here.

The question wasn’t, “is he coming?” The question was, “would you give up a 1st for him?” For me, it is unequivocally yes.

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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

If they were to make a deal for Zeke they would have a star. They could turn around and trade Shady for a late round pick (say a 5th). The Bills have the most cap space in the league next year so Zeke’s contract is no issue. You’d take your 2nd round pick and something else to move up into the late 1st or early 2nd. There are potentially 6 WRs going in the 1st next year. It’s one of the great WR drafts ever. You can get a guy at 35(ish) that would have went 18 in most drafts. You can still get a number 1 caliber WR (and this is coming from someone that thinks that’s the Bills biggest need). 

I agree. Imagine Zeke and Singletary back there. I’d offer a 3rd, but I think someone would offer more. Fun to think about but so is winning the lottery.

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4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

No one can argue that he isn't an elite player. Without question he is the best and most important player on offense for Dallas. However, I don't trust him, especially off the field. I'm not categorizing him as a bad dude but he is an immature and volatile person who has a history of incidents. None of the incidents individually are at a serious level. But when he continues to have incident after incident when he is already in a precarious situation with the league then his behavior is too problematic to make a major investment in and commitment to. No thank you. 

 

...why not?......they have a formidable OL despite injuries and illnesses....are you convinced he wouldn't be Demarcus II, who moved on from the Cowgirls and fizzled without the OL?...besides, his indiscretions are of no concern?......

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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is fair. As someone that’s followed him for a while, I think a lot of it is overblown. It is still there though. I’m not that concerned over it but can see some would be.

The question wasn’t, “is he coming?” The question was, “would you give up a 1st for him?” For me, it is unequivocally yes.

okay then, they aint giving up no 1st for the zekester...

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Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

okay then, they aint giving up no 1st for the zekester...

It isn’t, “will they?” It is, “would you?” I definitely would. I don’t think that they will.

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I personally would not, being a RB and all (late first).  The irony is all the dolts on here that were saying McCoy could fetch a 2 last year and leading into this season, and McCoy couldn't carry Elliot's jock. 

 

****Edit....a first 24-32 yes. 

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Why would you give up a first for Zeke, as good as he is, when you could have signed Lev Bell in the offseason for no compensation?  I'm assuming Zeke will want a contract similar to Bell if you were to trade for him.  Granted, Zeke is younger, but they are very similar backs.  

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1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...why not?......they have a formidable OL despite injuries and illnesses....are you convinced he wouldn't be Demarcus II, who moved on from the Cowgirls and fizzled without the OL?...besides, his indiscretions are of no concern?......

He’s always been at his best in his biggest games. Look at his last 3 games in the championship year. He had 220, 230 and 246 with 8 TDs. He was, by miles, the best player on the field (including everyone from Alabama).

 

The Cowboys have been a totally different team when he is out there too. I don’t feel like looking it up now but it’s drastically different (saw the graphic the other day). He’s ELITE

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Why would you give up a first for Zeke, as good as he is, when you could have signed Lev Bell in the offseason for no compensation?  I'm assuming Zeke will want a contract similar to Bell if you were to trade for him.  Granted, Zeke is younger, but they are very similar backs.  

Fair point

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1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I wouldn’t..but it seems things are getting pretty toxic between Zeke and Jerry in Dallas just curious if you’d be willing to trade a 1 for him and then give him a contract extension 

 

Tell the truth....you did this just to get Kirby fired up, didn’t you?    😋

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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

This is fair. As someone that’s followed him for a while, I think a lot of it is overblown. It is still there though. I’m not that concerned over it but can see some would be.

I would take Saquan Barkley over him not because he is a better player but because he is a more reliable person. Don't misconstrue what I am saying here: Zeke is a great football player. When Zeke is on the field he drives the offense even more than their qb. I would have little fear in mortgaging some of my future for Saquan Barkley. But I would be very queasy about doing it for the more aggressive Buckeye socializer. He is the type of chap that whenever you get one of those late night or early morning phone calls the first thought that comes to mind before answering the phone is I hope it isn't about Zeke!  

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Hmmmm, I will play along.  Dallas is on a bind with cap and the holdout.

 

If we could agree on a 2 year contract for say $30 million.  $20 guaranteed.

 

I would trade Shady for him and toss in a pick in the 3rd.

 

Thst could work for both.  At the end of two years let him walk.

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1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I wouldn’t..but it seems things are getting pretty toxic between Zeke and Jerry in Dallas just curious if you’d be willing to trade a 1 for him and then give him a contract extension 

Nope, RB's are a dime a dozen.

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I’d do it for a second round pick, and the Bills will be picking so far down in the draft, the first round pick will almost be like a second round pick.

 

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9 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...why not?......they have a formidable OL despite injuries and illnesses....are you convinced he wouldn't be Demarcus II, who moved on from the Cowgirls and fizzled without the OL?...besides, his indiscretions are of no concern?......

He is a great talent and football player regardless how good the line is. His value increases because he plays behind that formidable line. There are a variety of levels of talent at every position. He is at the top or vying for the top at his position. As I said in a prior post he is the most important offensive player on the Cowboys. And that ranking includes the qb and the receiving unit. He is that good!

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5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I would take Saquan Barkley over him not because he is a better player but because he is a more reliable person. Don't misconstrue what I am saying here: Zeke is a great football player. When Zeke is on the field he drives the offense even more than their qb. I would have little fear in mortgaging some of my future for Saquan Barkley. But I would be very queasy about doing it for the more aggressive Buckeye socializer. He is the type of chap that whenever you get one of those late night or early morning phone calls the first thought that comes to mind before answering the phone is I hope it isn't about Zeke!  

Totally fair and would take Saquon as well. He has less mileage too.

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With the Cap space.  I would consider it.  Throw in McCoy, make Zeke the highest paid back.  Give him the majority of the money the first 2 to 3 years of the deal.  

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3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s always been at his best in his biggest games. Look at his last 3 games in the championship year. He had 220, 230 and 246 with 8 TDs. He was, by miles, the best player on the field (including everyone from Alabama).

 

The Cowboys have been a totally different team when he is out there too. I don’t feel like looking it up now but it’s drastically different (saw the graphic the other day). He’s ELITE

Fair point

...strictly personal preference......he has two years left on his deal and thinks he's "entitled"...and he's been such a "good citizen (SERIOUSLY?)"...maybe I'm too old school, but I loathe that "it's me and I am bigger then the game" crap......put RG I 5/8 , Cam. and Kaep in THAT basket a s well as others...times are good and it's "ME"....a loss and teammates are "under the bus in a nanosecond"....eff them.....wanna see a class act (not one of your favs so noted)?...Josh Allen....humble, mindful and respectful of the game, realizing those who have paved the way to his financial opportunity.....perfect quote was, "this is OUR team and OUR family"...and willing to work his arse off on weaknesses to get better....

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Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Totally fair and would take Saquon as well. He has less mileage too.

The league has to address the issue of contracts as it applies to running backs. Under the current system the backs are discriminated against because their life-span is shorter. In addition, as with the Lev'an (sic) Bell situation there are backs who make up a disproportionate part of the offense because they are central to the running and passing game. Although Zeke's current contract is in force it is not fair that the current standard of pay applies to him and the position. The fairest approach would be to make the backs first contract shorter than everyone else because their football life span is shorter. 

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