Predict the 4 teams in the playoff for college 2019-2020

[Buffalo Barbarian]

7 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m good with 8 teams. 5 conference champs, highest ranked non-power 5 team and 2 wildcards. It really isn’t that complicated. This is exactly what it should look like.

 

24 teams, lets do this !!

 

 

7 hours ago, row_33 said:

I’ve never wanted the super

 

the system is fine as it is

 

It’s just college football, it’s overdone as it is

 

 

 

over done ?? Not even close, playoffs or bust.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

24 teams, lets do this !!

 

 

 

over done ?? Not even close, playoffs or bust.

 

 

I don’t need 24 teams because that makes the regular season pretty useless. The reality is in any given year less than a dozen teams could actually win it. That’s not because the others are not given a chance though. As an example Navy would be in the 24 now. Could Navy ever run a gauntlet of something like: Wisconsin, Penn State, Alabama, Ohio State, and LSU? Of course they couldn’t win those 5 consecutively. It’s not even worth bothering. 8 teams is the right number. 

[row_33]

the 8th place team would lose 55-0 to the top team, probably the same for 7th against #2

 

enough already

 

 

games of playoff critical interest this weekend:

 

 

NOON:  Bama/Miss St

 

3:30  Ohio State/Rutgers

 

4:00  Minnesota/Iowa

 

7:00  LSU/Ole Miss

 

7:30  Oklahoma/Baylor

 

and Oregon and Utah have easy wins at home

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t need 24 teams because that makes the regular season pretty useless. The reality is in any given year less than a dozen teams could actually win it. That’s not because the others are not given a chance though. As an example Navy would be in the 24 now. Could Navy ever run a gauntlet of something like: Wisconsin, Penn State, Alabama, Ohio State, and LSU? Of course they couldn’t win those 5 consecutively. It’s not even worth bothering. 8 teams is the right number. 

 

Same could be said for basketball but people still love it and cant wait for march madness.

 

 

[row_33]

23 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Same could be said for basketball but people still love it and cant wait for march madness.

 

 

the score and dynamic of a football game is exponentially larger than a basketball game

 

Most “fans” of March madness are there  because they fill out a bracket without knowing the names of two players in college hoops

 

you could give them the women’s bracket and 95 percent wouldn’t notice

it meets some mass delusion of giving an opinion without any grounds at all

 

Edited November 16, 2019 by row_33

[YoloinOhio]

That LSU defense ?

[Kirby Jackson]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

That LSU defense ?

Not even a little scared of LSU (and they are good). The only team with a prayer to beat Ohio State is Clemson. The Bucks are also Clemson’s toughest matchup.

[YoloinOhio]

54 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Not even a little scared of LSU (and they are good). The only team with a prayer to beat Ohio State is Clemson. The Bucks are also Clemson’s toughest matchup.

I still have PTSD from the last Clemson matchup. I know everything is different now but .... too soon

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I still have PTSD from the last Clemson matchup. I know everything is different now but .... too soon

They scare me and that’s certainly in the back of my head. It won’t look like that this time but Clemson can beat them. They are balanced enough.

[GunnerBill]

51 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They scare me and that’s certainly in the back of my head. It won’t look like that this time but Clemson can beat them. They are balanced enough.

 

Agree. I have felt since about week 3 that they are the two best teams in the country this year. 

[/dev/null]

I'm still sticking with

Clemson

2 SEC (LSU, Georgia, Alabama)

 

4th slot is still the B1G to lose:

Undefeated Ohio State

1 Loss B1G Champ (Ohio State, Penn St, Minnesota)

1 Loss non Division Champ Ohio State (loss to Penn St or Minnesota)

1 Loss Oklahoma

1 Loss PAC-12 Champ (Oregon or Utah)

Edited November 18, 2019 by /dev/null

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Welp , Oregon is out.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

On 11/17/2019 at 11:22 PM, /dev/null said:

I'm still sticking with

Clemson

2 SEC (LSU, Georgia, Alabama)

 

4th slot is still the B1G to lose:

Undefeated Ohio State

1 Loss B1G Champ (Ohio State, Penn St, Minnesota)

1 Loss non Division Champ Ohio State (loss to Penn St or Minnesota)

1 Loss Oklahoma

1 Loss PAC-12 Champ (Oregon or Utah)

Well, Oregon is out which helps Oklahoma and LSU/Alabama/Georgia.  I don't think Utah gets in even if they beat Oregon.  Ohio State should win out.  Georgia's offense is unimpressive and I think they'll lose by double digits to LSU.  I think the 4th spot will come down to who's more impressive.  Oklahoma against Baylor or Alabama against Auburn?  I trust Alabama and Nick Saban more in that scenario.  Oklahoma holding onto dear life against TCU also doesn't help.

 

My guess right now is

 

1.)  LSU

2.) Ohio State

3.)  Clemson

4.)  Alabama (sigh)

[YoloinOhio]

55 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Well, Oregon is out which helps Oklahoma and LSU/Alabama/Georgia.  I don't think Utah gets in even if they beat Oregon.  Ohio State should win out.  Georgia's offense is unimpressive and I think they'll lose by double digits to LSU.  I think the 4th spot will come down to who's more impressive.  Oklahoma against Baylor or Alabama against Auburn?  I trust Alabama and Nick Saban more in that scenario.  Oklahoma holding onto dear life against TCU also doesn't help.

 

My guess right now is

 

1.)  LSU

2.) Ohio State

3.)  Clemson

4.)  Alabama (sigh)

Why don’t you think Utah gets in if they win the PAC 12? They’ve looked great.

[BillsFanCRNA]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Why don’t you think Utah gets in if they win the PAC 12? They’ve looked great.

Brand matters. If Bama wins at Auburn with a backup QB (and that's pretty unlikely IMO), they are in.

[YoloinOhio]

15 minutes ago, BillsFanCRNA said:

Brand matters. If Bama wins at Auburn with a backup QB (and that's pretty unlikely IMO), they are in.

Their best win would be over a 4 loss team, and no conference championship. Bama currently has no top 25 wins. They just don’t have the resume this year to jump Utah as a 1 loss conference champ. Utah still has to win out obviously. Bama has a path but it’s very narrow. 

[Mark92]

Michigan is beating Ohio State.  Book it.  

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

Michigan is beating Ohio State.  Book it.  

Good for them if they do,  but it doesn’t impact either team for the playoff. 

[BillsFanCRNA]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Their best win would be over a 4 loss team, and no conference championship. Bama currently has no top 25 wins. They just don’t have the resume this year to jump Utah as a 1 loss conference champ. Utah still has to win out obviously. Bama has a path but it’s very narrow. 

I don't disagree. The resume is weak. However, I just don't believe it will matter. Bama wins Saturday, and they're in. I believe the committee is going to default to the big name, right or wrong. Utah has a much worse loss, and now the conference championship game will be devalued a bit (given the Oregon loss). That will be all the excuse they need. Although, as I stated already, I don't think Bama wins this weekend, thus making it a moot point.

 

Edited November 25, 2019 by BillsFanCRNA

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanCRNA said:

I don't disagree. The resume is weak. However, I just don't believe it will matter. Bama wins Saturday, and they're in. I believe the committee is going to default to the big name, right or wrong. Utah has a much worse loss, and now the conference championship game will be devalued a bit (given the Oregon loss). That will be all the excuse they need. Although, as I stated already, I don't think Bama wins this weekend, thus making it a moot point.

 

Auburn offense has no pulse. Bama will win. 

[BillsFanCRNA]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Auburn offense has no pulse. Bama will win. 

Agree. But our defense is a mess. Bama plays Big 12 football these days...

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, BillsFanCRNA said:

Agree. But our defense is a mess. Bama plays Big 12 football these days...

Bo Nix is a walking turnover, plays terrible in big games, and his WR get no separation. I know it’s not a traditional “Bama D” but i just can’t see Auburn winning that game. But rivalry games do have a life of their own. 

[Gordio]

13 hours ago, BillsFanCRNA said:

Brand matters. If Bama wins at Auburn with a backup QB (and that's pretty unlikely IMO), they are in.

 

 

Agreed, I think if it comes down to Bama or Pac 10 Champ Utah, Bama gets the nod.  I would like to see the Utes in there, I am sick of seeing Bama.  Utah has played lights out the last 4 weeks.  

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Bo Nix is a walking turnover, plays terrible in big games, and his WR get no separation. I know it’s not a traditional “Bama D” but i just can’t see Auburn winning that game. But rivalry games do have a life of their own. 

 

I agree with you about Nix.  I thought Auburn had another highly recruited kid that Nix was battling for the starting spot in the summer.  I am surprised Gus hasn't gone to him at some point this season.  The big games Nix has been horrible.  It is almost like GM has given Nix a free pass this year when playing time is concerned.  

[BillsFanCRNA]

5 hours ago, Gordio said:

I agree with you about Nix.  I thought Auburn had another highly recruited kid that Nix was battling for the starting spot in the summer.  I am surprised Gus hasn't gone to him at some point this season.  The big games Nix has been horrible.  It is almost like GM has given Nix a free pass this year when playing time is concerned.  

Yeah. Joey Gatewood was the other QB. He left, presumably due to playing time.

[atlbillsfan1975]

16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Auburn offense has no pulse. Bama will win. 

Auburn wins this year.

Bama is  overrated. 
Gus has beat the teams he should of and lost to good teams. Florida is the only exception.

i see Nix playing good for the Auburn fans. 

[Gordio]

1 hour ago, BillsFanCRNA said:

Yeah. Joey Gatewood was the other QB. He left, presumably due to playing time.

 

 

Ah okay, well that makes sense then.  

[Bill from NYC]

On ‎11‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 10:45 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Auburn offense has no pulse. Bama will win. 

Auburn has a very strong defense, especially up front.  I like Derrick Brown coming out of college more than I liked Dareus. He is a complete monster.

 

Auburn, with their exceptional lines, would dominate any other conference despite the inexperienced quarterback. How many teams in the Big 10 do you think are better than Auburn? I would say probably 1.

[Gordio]

2 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

Auburn has a very strong defense, especially up front.  I like Derrick Brown coming out of college more than I liked Dareus. He is a complete monster.

 

Auburn, with their exceptional lines, would dominate any other conference despite the inexperienced quarterback. How many teams in the Big 10 do you think are better than Auburn? I would say probably 1.

 

 

Michigan is better than Auburn imo & Whisky & Minn are close.  

[Bill from NYC]

13 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

Michigan is better than Auburn imo & Whisky & Minn are close.  

I respectfully disagree and also think that Auburn would not be a pushover for Ohio State. Auburn can pretty much play with anyone imo.

 

The way to beat them (again, imo) is to contain their young qb and force mistakes. Their DL keeps them in games.

 

Alabama's defense is banged up. With Tua hurt, the main advantage the Tide has over Auburn is Nick Saban (OK, the receivers too lol).  I hope it is enough.

Edited November 26, 2019 by Bill from NYC

[Kirby Jackson]

46 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I respectfully disagree and also think that Auburn would not be a pushover for Ohio State. Auburn can pretty much play with anyone imo.

 

The way to beat them (again, imo) is to contain their young qb and force mistakes. Their DL keeps them in games.

 

Alabama's defense is banged up. With Tua hurt, the main advantage the Tide has over Auburn is Nick Saban (OK, the receivers too lol).  I hope it is enough.

Nix stinks

[Bill from NYC]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Nix stinks

I'm not a fan of his nor Malzahn  but the team is always talented, and Derrick Brown is a freak.

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I'm not a fan of his nor Malzahn  but the team is always talented, and Derrick Brown is a freak.

Brown is a freak but the reason Auburn is just an okay football team is Nix. They are going to have 1 win against a ranked team and that’s an overrated Oregon team. They are going to have 4 losses by this weekend and barely be ranked themselves. 
 

The SEC just doesn’t have the depth that it did a decade ago. There are still really good teams in LSU, Alabama, UGA and to a lesser extent Florida. That really isn’t that different though from the Big 10 for example with OSU, PSU, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin. In the past the SEC was given far more credit because of the depth. As we sit today the Big 10 has 5 of the top 13 and the SEC has 4.

They just aren’t going to get the benefit of the doubt like in past years because the gap has closed. I really believe that a 1 loss OU or 1 loss Utah or 1 loss Minnesota is going to jump into the top 4.  I think, assuming wins this week, Clemson, Ohio State and LSU are in the playoff regardless of the conference championship games. I believe Alabama is the 4th best team but don’t see how their spot can be justified over a 1 loss conference champ that’s going to have a better resume. 

[Bill from NYC]

9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Brown is a freak but the reason Auburn is just an okay football team is Nix. They are going to have 1 win against a ranked team and that’s an overrated Oregon team. They are going to have 4 losses by this weekend and barely be ranked themselves. 
 

The SEC just doesn’t have the depth that it did a decade ago. There are still really good teams in LSU, Alabama, UGA and to a lesser extent Florida. That really isn’t that different though from the Big 10 for example with OSU, PSU, Michigan, Minnesota and Wisconsin. In the past the SEC was given far more credit because of the depth. As we sit today the Big 10 has 5 of the top 13 and the SEC has 4.

They just aren’t going to get the benefit of the doubt like in past years because the gap has closed. I really believe that a 1 loss OU or 1 loss Utah or 1 loss Minnesota is going to jump into the top 4.  I think, assuming wins this week, Clemson, Ohio State and LSU are in the playoff regardless of the conference championship games. I believe Alabama is the 4th best team but don’t see how their spot can be justified over a 1 loss conference champ that’s going to have a better resume. 

You forgot Texas A&M. If you have time, look at their schedule. The Aggies are a dangerous team and imo they would feast on the likes of Minnesota, and virtually every team in the Big 12, including Oklahoma.

I do agree that the Big 10 is making progress on the SEC (although I'm surprised at how Wisconsin fell) but I still think that they have a considerable amount of ground to make up.

 

Jmo, and a fun topic I dare say!

[Kirby Jackson]

5 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:

You forgot Texas A&M. If you have time, look at their schedule. The Aggies are a dangerous team and imo they would feast on the likes of Minnesota, and virtually every team in the Big 12, including Oklahoma.

I do agree that the Big 10 is making progress on the SEC (although I'm surprised at how Wisconsin fell) but I still think that they have a considerable amount of ground to make up.

 

Jmo, and a fun topic I dare say!

Texas A&M is like Auburn this year. They are fine when they play bad teams. They haven’t beaten a ranked team. Their best win is a 1 score win at Ole Miss. Minnesota on the other hand has a top 10 win and their only loss is a 4 point road loss in one of the toughest places to play. On a neutral field tomorrow they are a double digit favorite over A&M.
 

That’s the problem that the SEC faces in getting a 2nd team in. There just isn’t enough quality from the rest of the league. I believe that Alabama is the 4th best team in the country today. It’s just not going to be easy for them to get in with their best wins coming against an unranked A&M and an Auburn team that may be unranked after the game.  
 

It depends if the committee wants best team or best resume. If OU, for example, wins out it will be impossible to deny them that spot (assuming LSU, OSU and Clemson have locked up the other spots). They will have a bunch of good wins and a conference championship. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by Kirby Jackson

[Bill from NYC]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Texas A&M is like Auburn this year. They are fine when they play bad teams. They haven’t beaten a ranked team. Their best win is a 1 score win at Ole Miss. Minnesota on the other hand has a top 10 win and their only loss is a 4 point road loss in one of the toughest places to play. On a neutral field tomorrow they are a double digit favorite over A&M.
 

That’s the problem that the SEC faces in getting a 2nd team in. There just isn’t enough quality from the rest of the league. I believe that Alabama is the 4th best team in the country today. It’s just not going to be easy for them to get in with their best wins combining against an unranked A&M and an Auburn team that may be unranked after the game.  
 

It depends if the committee wants best team or best resume. If OU, for example, wins out it will be impossible to deny them that spot (assuming LSU, OSU and Clemson have locked up the other spots). They will have a bunch of good wins and a conference championship. 

 

I think that Georgia, A&M or Auburn would destroy Minnesota. 

 

Once again, jmo.

Edited November 27, 2019 by Bill from NYC

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

 

I think that Georgia, A&M or Auburn would destroy Minnesota. 

 

Once again, jmo.

I wasn’t a Minnesota believer until I saw them really beat up Penn State. They didn’t steal that game. They were the better team. There only loss is a 4 point loss at a top 20 Iowa. Obviously we are going to learn a lot about the Gophers over the next 2 weeks with Wisconsin and then potentially Ohio State. They aren’t getting in with 2 losses but they control their own destiny at this point. I’d rank those teams:

UGA

Minnesota

Auburn

A&M

 

Alabama needs a statement win this week (which I think is possible if not likely). They have to win by 4 plus scores. If they do and LSU beats UGA I think they still have a shot at the 4th spot. I know those guys today think that it will be Utah or OU but those teams still have work to do. OU has to beat 2 ranked teams still. Utah will still have to beat Oregon (even though they look to be just okay too).  

[Doc Brown]

On 11/24/2019 at 7:52 AM, YoloinOhio said:

Why don’t you think Utah gets in if they win the PAC 12? They’ve looked great.

Oregon's loss hurts PAC 12's already middling reputation.  Plus, in the current rankings Alabama is 5th so as long as they take care of business against Auburn why wouldn't they slide up to four after the SEC championship game?

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

Oregon's loss hurts PAC 12's already middling reputation.  Plus, in the current rankings Alabama is 5th so as long as they take care of business against Auburn why wouldn't they slide up to four after the SEC championship game?

Because they don’t play in the SEC championship, and we are talking about Utah being a 1 loss pac 12 conference champion. Even if bama wins this weekend, that would be their only win over a top 25 team, and that win is over a 4-loss auburn team. They only have one more game to prove they belong in the top 4 With no resume, no championship, and no QB. The committee seems very focused on quality wins. If they beat Auburn 55-0 or something with their backup QB, they present a case.  Just because they are at 5 today doesn’t mean they will stay there, there are two weeks to go, one of which they don’t play. I do think the committee is trying to set them up to be considered at 4, by putting Auburn as high as 15 with 3 losses. And Utah  doesn’t have a strong resume at this point but they are strong statistically, especially their defense. And if they win out, will add a quality win. 

Edited November 27, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Because they don’t play in the SEC championship, and we are talking about Utah being a 1 loss pac 12 conference champion. Even if bama wins this weekend, that would be their only win over a top 25 team, and that win is over a 4-loss auburn team. They only have one more game to prove they belong in the top 4 With no resume, no championship, and no QB. The committee seems very focused on quality wins. If they beat Auburn 55-0 or something with their backup QB, they present a case.  Just because they are at 5 today doesn’t mean they will stay there, there are two weeks to go, one of which they don’t play. I do think the committee is trying to set them up to be considered at 4, by putting Auburn as high as 15 with 3 losses. And Utah  doesn’t have a strong resume at this point but they are strong statistically, especially their defense. And if they win out, will add a quality win. 

LOL.  Bama is already in unless they lose again. 

 

Bama

Ohio State assuming they win out

Clemson assuming the same

LSU if they win out but if they lose it will go to Georgia, Big 10 or PAC.  LSU would magically fall behind Bama if they lose.  Tua's injury casts a smidgen of doubt but I think the committee would still just give it to em.

[Bill from NYC]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

 

Alabama needs a statement win this week (which I think is possible if not likely). They have to win by 4 plus scores. If they do and LSU beats UGA I think they still have a shot at the 4th spot.

Kirby, I'm not sure why everybody thinks that this game will be so easy for Alabama. Just like I do with the Bills, I watch every play of every Bama game. They have a weakness this year and it is at nose. Gone are the days of Da'Ron Payne and Quinnen Williams. Saban defenses really need a strong nose, one who is also a penetrating pass rusher. This situation was made worse by the injuries to BOTH inside LBs who were lost for the year in camp (one was very good, the other great). The freshmen are studs but are still learning a very complicated system.

Also, it should not take 4 scores. Alabama is better than Utah. The Utah defense is supposedly good, right. Do ya think that Utah can cover the Bama receivers. Seriously Kirby? Oklahoma? They beat them with a much better quarterback than Hurts, and the Sooners have zero defense.

My point is that a decisive win should really get Alabama in, not 4 scores.

Hey, if these other teams are so wonderful, Ohio State Fans should WANT to play the Crimson Tide, no?