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1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

LOL

 

Disagree and Agree.

 

Flutie is not perfect for a Pass Happy Offense. 

Flutie was "overrated" because of his Canadian fan base. 

 

The Flutie (gimmick) signing was to get more people into the seats.  

 

 

Flutie also had a great defense, i believe his best year here the defense set a then season record for low number of points allowed.

 

Flutie also was a terrible leader imo, he was never a teem players, he set out to destroy Rob Johnson and divided the lockeroom 

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1 hour ago, Gugny said:

Flutie was as bad a QB as he was a teammate. 

flutie was a solid qb, as a whole, during his time in buffalo.... I have no clue how anyone couldn't think so.

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

 

Flutie also had a great defense, i believe his best year here the defense set a then season record for low number of points allowed.

 

Flutie also was a terrible leader imo, he was never a teem players, he set out to destroy Rob Johnson and divided the lockeroom 

nah. his best year was in 98 and their defense was 15th in points allowed while the offense was 7th in points scored.

 

he eventually got figured out but he won a good amount of games in buffalo and led solid offenses.

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Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

flutie was a solid qb, as a whole, during his time in buffalo.... I have no clue how anyone couldn't think so.

 

I will respectfully disagree.  Terrible QB.  Terrible teammate.  He's the reason I disliked Tyrod so much.  Because they had so much in common.  Their departures from the team are my top two Bills Fan Moments of my lifetime as a Bills fan.

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2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

flutie was a solid qb, as a whole, during his time in buffalo.... I have no clue how anyone couldn't think so.

 

Look at the stats, in three years her he never completed more than 57% of his passes,  barely averaged of 200 yds/gm, J Allen does that this year and watch him get excoriated.

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Best thing about Flutie was his flakes and they weren't even that good.

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2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

I will respectfully disagree.  Terrible QB.  Terrible teammate.  He's the reason I disliked Tyrod so much.  Because they had so much in common.  Their departures from the team are my top two Bills Fan Moments of my lifetime as a Bills fan.

 

Spot on although Flutie was a much worse teammate and leader.  Tyrod never, to my knowledge, tried to tear apart the lockeroom and destroy (R Johnson) his competition, Flutie was a me first player.

 

I recall the infamous Music  city Miracle game and the lead up to it, Fltuie sat there like a little baby pouting through the entire game, didnt do ANYTHING to help R Johnson n that game, nothing.  Selfish little brat because he couldnt start.

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Just now, Gugny said:

 

I will respectfully disagree.  Terrible QB.  Terrible teammate.  He's the reason I disliked Tyrod so much.  Because they had so much in common.  Their departures from the team are my top two Bills Fan Moments of my lifetime as a Bills fan.

I think you have solid takes most of the time. but this..... geez.

 

fluties first year he played good ball. its not really even up for debate. all while leading the top ten scoring and yardage offense. I mean the freaking team started 0-3 before they changed to him and finished 10-6.... his 2nd year he was basically figured out but still managed games and was a qb on a team that was in the top half of the league in scoring and yds again.... nothing special, but he had one really nice year and another average one before it was time to go.

 

your  huge problems with 2 qb's that came into buffalo for short stints and won more than they lost is just really odd to me. I don't think there is much to be hated about either player. both were limited, did what they could with it, made a playoff run, and then we moved on as they got figured out.... I think your hang up has something to do with them as people, although I don't think I've ever heard any player say anything remotely bad about taylor.... and that's where I couldn't care less. I've never cared about what kind of person any of the bills players are.

5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Look at the stats, in three years her he never completed more than 57% of his passes,  barely averaged of 200 yds/gm, J Allen does that this year and watch him get excoriated.

right. because the game hasn't changed in the last 20 years. good call.

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Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Spot on although Flutie was a much worse teammate and leader.  Tyrod never, to my knowledge, tried to tear apart the lockeroom and destroy (R Johnson) his competition, Flutie was a me first player.

 

I recall the infamous Music  city Miracle game and the lead up to it, Fltuie sat there like a little baby pouting through the entire game, didnt do ANYTHING to help R Johnson n that game, nothing.  Selfish little brat because he couldnt start.

 

Agree 100%.  Other than his abysmal play, my biggest knock on Taylor was when he whipped out the race card.  Before anyone asks, I'm not providing a link.  It's out there and I've provided it many, many times.

 

Back to Flutie ... easily the most selfish player the Bills have ever had.

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7 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I think you have solid takes most of the time. but this..... geez.

 

fluties first year he played good ball. its not really even up for debate. all while leading the top ten scoring and yardage offense. I mean the freaking team started 0-3 before they changed to him and finished 10-6.... his 2nd year he was basically figured out but still managed games and was a qb on a team that was in the top half of the league in scoring and yds again.... nothing special, but he had one really nice year and another average one before it was time to go.

 

your  huge problems with 2 qb's that came into buffalo for short stints and won more than they lost is just really odd to me. I don't think there is much to be hated about either player. both were limited, did what they could with it, made a playoff run, and then we moved on as they got figured out.... I think your hang up has something to do with them as people, although I don't think I've ever heard any player say anything remotely bad about taylor.... and that's where I couldn't care less. I've never cared about what kind of person any of the bills players are.

 

Well maybe you should,.   QB is radically different from any other position, being a great teammate and a leader is extremely important in the NFL. 

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3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

LOL

 

Disagree and Agree.

 

Flutie is not perfect for a Pass Happy Offense. 

Flutie was "overrated" because of his Canadian fan base. 

 

The Flutie (gimmick) signing was to get more people into the seats.  

 

That and the 21 wins.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, ProcessAccepted said:

In today's NFL he would not have been banished to Canada because of his height. He would have gotten a fair shake.

We've had top tier defenses several times over the 17 year playoff drought and didn't make the plays on offense when we needed. Flutie was a difference maker, just look how we did with him playing versus Rob Johnson

 

 

 

21-9  versus 9-17

 

7600 yards 47 TDs  194 YPG  versus 4800 yards 27 TD 160 YPG

 

 

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3 hours ago, Brother Hesekiah said:

 

 

The BILLS won games because they had a top-5 defense in 1998 and 1999 and Flutie and the rest of the offense did just enough not to lose.

 

In addition to letting Flutie go, the Bills had to purge their roster after the 1999 season due to salary cap issues. They missed the playoffs for 17 straight years because management was never able to restock the cupboard after that.

 

Flutie correlation is not Flutie causation.

Didn't do so well with Rob Johnson at the helm before or after he played

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23 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Well maybe you should,.   QB is radically different from any other position, being a great teammate and a leader is extremely important in the NFL. 

ya know what, you're right..... but when somebody says he was terrible during his time with buffalo, when that's blatantly false, it tells me they may not be thinking clearly about his actual play because they let their judgement of what kind of person they thought he was cloud things a bit. at the end of the day it comes down to if a dude can perform or not. he did for bit, and that's why he stuck for a couple of years. I think the league figuring out his game had much more to do with his departure than him being a jerk.

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3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

Many said the same about Tim Tebow too,

 

I loved Flutie.  BUT I knew from the get go what and who he was

Doug may not  be "from Canada"  But he was a Grey Cup winner and He earned three Grey Cup MVP awards

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Russell Wilson and Flutie in the same sentence?......seriously?......we'll never know because Graham was our savior pick (COUGH)..............

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4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

LOL

 

Disagree and Agree.

 

Flutie is not perfect for a Pass Happy Offense. 

Flutie was "overrated" because of his Canadian fan base. 

 

The Flutie (gimmick) signing was to get more people into the seats.  

 ^^^^THIS^^^^^

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4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

LOL

 

Disagree and Agree.

 

Flutie is not perfect for a Pass Happy Offense. 

Flutie was "overrated" because of his Canadian fan base. 

 

The Flutie (gimmick) signing was to get more people into the seats.  

 

Yah he wasn't worth a S**T all's the little guy did was win while he was in Buffalo & most every other place he was at & even though the CFL is a huge joke of a league he holds the most championships in that BS league .

 

I totally agree he was a waste of time they should have never even let the guy play football he was just a crappy player that's why they need to bring in more guys like Jamarcus Russel that can throw 80 yards on his knees OH & who was that other really great QB coming out of college that had such a bright future UM YAH YAH Ryan Leaf !

 

Just what the NFL needs more of guys that look the part "Prototypical NFL QB's" !  🙄 Leave the little guys like Flutie, Russel Wilson & Brees all those little guys that can't play & show no leadership skills leave their butts where they deserve to be on the sidelines ...

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I love Bills fans who hate on a qb who took us to back to back playoff games.  But then again, we have been loaded with playoff berths since so I get it!  

 

Flutie was Johnny Manziel without the coke problem.  This is an entirely different nfl then the one he entered.  He would have been a 1st round pick instead of battle his way through the CFL. 

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7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I love Bills fans who hate on a qb who took us to back to back playoff games.  But then again, we have been loaded with playoff berths since so I get it!  

 

Flutie was Johnny Manziel without the coke problem.  This is an entirely different nfl then the one he entered.  He would have been a 1st round pick instead of battle his way through the CFL. 

 

I love Bills fans who can't recognize when the Bills win games in spite of the QB instead of because of him.

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Sheesh this is totally funny - I really honestly did kinda forget just how much polarization Mr, Flakes brought to this city.  Kinda like Potus.....either you accept him or you don't.  Please please lets not let this thread descend into the politico morass.  Stay classy!

 

BTW....I was always 50/50 with Flakes....I rooted for him as he did add the excitement factor but I wasn't too sad to see him leave.....at all. 

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1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

Look at the stats, in three years her he never completed more than 57% of his passes,  barely averaged of 200 yds/gm, J Allen does that this year and watch him get excoriated.

 

In the 3 yrs Phillips was the coach of the Bills his record was 29-19 in 98 the Bills went 10-6, & in 99 they went 11-5 making it to the play offs the last yr they went 8-8 which wasn't that the yr Johnson was the starter (not sure) & the 27 yr old couldn't do as good as the 38 yr old wow to bad the little guy sucked so bad ...

 

He (Flutie) was so bad that the only category that he beat Johnson in the entire time they were here was WINS !! 😝

so i'll take the lower stats if it comes with wins over gaudy stats & being a LOSER !! 

 

ALL DAY Just saying !! 

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47 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

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Russell Wilson and Flutie in the same sentence?......seriously?......we'll never know because Graham was our savior pick (COUGH)..............

 

Did you turn your head first? Are you posting from the doctor’s office again?  

 

IF, by “perfect for Doug Flutie”, we mean that there are more cameras today than ever, you may be on to something. Dougie and Theisman never saw a camera they didn’t like! 

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4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Flutie was "overrated" because of his Canadian fan base.  

Take off, eh?!

😁

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Flutie was over after season 1. NFL DCs figured out not to bite on his little "pixie hop" pass fake.

If we end up with a ‘Peter Pan’ picture in the thread, it’s your fault!

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One of my least favorite Bills of all time. 

 

People like to romanticize his his time as a Bill. But he just wasn’t very good. And he wasn’t any good with San Diego either.

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9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Did you turn your head first? Are you posting from the doctor’s office again?  

 

IF, by “perfect for Doug Flutie”, we mean that there are more cameras today than ever, you may be on to something. Dougie and Theisman never saw a camera they didn’t like! 

...LMAO!!!.....Flutie >Wilson?......I'd STILL be in the doc's chair awaiting a BRAIN TRANSPLANT  to convince me.....or ANOTHER transplant to convince me Graham was the "smart choice (COUGH)" over Russell......what coulda been....

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17 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Take off, eh?!

😁

If we end up with a ‘Peter Pan’ picture in the thread, it’s your fault!

I've seen Rob Johnson in an outfit which is Peter Panish,   It was in a Florida Renaissance Festival and he was dressed up in green outfit.

I can dig up that picture if you like?

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