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Article: Today's NFL Would Have Been Perfect for Doug Flutie

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4 hours ago, eball said:

 

I think Canada just breathed a sigh of relief.

 

That's an AWFUL take.

Among the worst of all time!

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41 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

I can dig up that picture if you like?

No thank you, since you’ll probably pull the ‘old switcheroo’, and link to ‘you know who’...🤨

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So now Doug can blame his parents for having him 30 years too soon

 

the excuses never stop 

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5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

He was a cancer BEFORE that.

 

Look it up.

 

All I know is watch the Miami playoff Game.. he was not the problem and should have won that game.   Fumbles by Molds and Reed and the Reed ref (no touchdown call) really hurt the team.  But Doug had a great game but all anyone will remember on this board is that he held on to the ball 1 sec too long when Thurman missed a block on Trace Armstrong.

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2 minutes ago, fan_in_tx said:

But Doug had a great game but all anyone will remember on this board is that he held on to the ball 1 sec too long when Thurman missed a block on Trace Armstrong.

 

Poor, misunderstood, maligned Doug Flutie

 

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8 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

What was it...1998 and the Bills started 0-3? Flutie was way huge and very instrumental in the Bills resurgence. I believe they rallied to win the next five games. All he did was make plays for two years or so until teams caught on.

 

I'd argue it was one amazing year.  2nd year they won in spite of him more often than not compliments of an outstanding defense.

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8 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

He got a fair shake.  In Buffalo and New England.

 

Then many years later Tuhrod Taylor gotten a fair shake in Buffalo and Cleveland.

 

Successful Running QB's are a very rare breed. 

TT offense was top 10 in points, few turnovers, and #1 in rushing. Marrone couldn't build an offense to pair with a top 3 defense that Rex would soon destroy. Even Gailey could score points with Fitz but hired Wannstedt to run a 1990 defense in 2010.

17 years it has been the same story. 

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20 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I'd argue it was one amazing year.  2nd year they won in spite of him more often than not compliments of an outstanding defense.

Absolutely! Without the defensive effort we would not be discussing it. I remember the Bills at 0-3, but after the first win, I could sense that they would rebound. It was like a fog lifted.

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2 hours ago, fan_in_tx said:

All I know is watch the Miami playoff Game.. he was not the problem and should have won that game.   Fumbles by Molds and Reed and the Reed ref (no touchdown call) really hurt the team.  But Doug had a great game but all anyone will remember on this board is that he held on to the ball 1 sec too long when Thurman missed a block on Trace Armstrong.

Who lost the Titans game?

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Just now, Cripple Creek said:

Who lost the Titans game?

Geez...I remember that play.

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6 hours ago, Kwai San said:

Sheesh this is totally funny - I really honestly did kinda forget just how much polarization Mr, Flakes brought to this city.  Kinda like Potus.....either you accept him or you don't.  Please please lets not let this thread descend into the politico morass.  Stay classy!

 

BTW....I was always 50/50 with Flakes....I rooted for him as he did add the excitement factor but I wasn't too sad to see him leave.....at all. 

 

You bring the potus into it, then plea that the thread doesn't get political ... even though it had nothing political before your post.  Bizarre.

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12 hours ago, Gugny said:

Flutie was as bad a QB as he was a teammate. 

 

Doug Flutie > Rob Johnson

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1 hour ago, The Senator said:

 

Doug Flutie > Rob Johnson

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False.

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one of my fondest Bills game memories is the Jax game Flutie walkoff TD, but he is a smaller Tyrod Taylor . super exciting, etc etc, but not gonna get you to the promised land in today's NFL.   In today's NFL, you need a complete team, No. 1 , plus a big mobile decision maker at QB.  If you don't have both of these things, enough teams will have exploited your weaknesses enough times to keep you out of the Big Game. 

 

BTW, Seahawks haven't done much since the non-Wilson parts of the team fell apart. 

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2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

False.

True.  People forget about the sack rate when looking at the numbers when comparing the two.  They only see a similar passer rating.  In 1998 Johnson started six games and got sacked 29 times with a sack rate of 21.3% (went 3-3).  Flutie started 10 and was sacked 12 times with a sack rate of 3.3% (went 7-3).  They had the same offensive line.  

 

Same goes for 2000 when Johnson started 10 games and had a sack rate of 13.8% (went 4-7).  Flutie started 5 and had a sack rate of 4.1% (went 4-1).  When you have a good defense you need to keep drives alive and not take negative plays.  Flutie succeeded in that area and Johnson didn't.  That's why Flutie was the better quarterback for that team in the late 90's despite being a selfish prick. 

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18 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

LOL

 

Disagree and Agree.

 

Flutie is not perfect for a Pass Happy Offense. 

Flutie was "overrated" because of his Canadian fan base. 

 

The Flutie (gimmick) signing was to get more people into the seats.  

 

 

Flutie was awesome!

 

We got season tickets that year!

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Can you imagine Marino or Kelly is today's offenses?

I was 10 in 98, so I have no idea why people hate Doug Flutie? 

 

I want to see the team let him lead the charge

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I’m not sure why people don’t like Flutie.  I know he was disruptive disputing with Johnson for the starting spot, but he won for us, and Johnson was horrible in that Titans game.  It was a shame with the #1 defense, we could have won that game.  That would have most likely brought us to another SB.

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18 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

the Pro Bowl?  geez.... that's something else....

 

he was despised by every teammate (see if anyone has anything good to say about him, outside of a vague charity reference)

 

he filmed the throwing of a football into the face of his autistic son to show us what it means, i think everyone on the planet knew the situation without seeing that display

 

he never won a playoff game in the NFL, was handed possibly the best team ever in the 86 Bears and effed that up

 

 

but over all... it's not his fault, and i like his work on commentary and college talkshows, he's not a bad guy

 

 

THE PROBLEM WAS.... that every slacker loser I knew WORSHIPED him and said he was better than Jim Kelly.... and they still are like this....

 

 

 

 

I have never heard anybody ever say this.  

 

I am not a Flutie fanatic or anything, but that first year he played the offense was very good, second year teams started catching on but they were still effective.  If Flutie starts that Titans game there is no way the Bills lose.  Looking at it that way yes he did get a raw deal in Buffalo.  It was an unprecedented move triggered by Ralph Wilson.  What team benches their QB 3 days before the playoff game when he started 15 out of 16 games that season. 

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15 hours ago, T master said:

 

In the 3 yrs Phillips was the coach of the Bills his record was 29-19 in 98 the Bills went 10-6, & in 99 they went 11-5 making it to the play offs the last yr they went 8-8 which wasn't that the yr Johnson was the starter (not sure) & the 27 yr old couldn't do as good as the 38 yr old wow to bad the little guy sucked so bad ...

 

He (Flutie) was so bad that the only category that he beat Johnson in the entire time they were here was WINS !! 😝

so i'll take the lower stats if it comes with wins over gaudy stats & being a LOSER !! 

 

ALL DAY Just saying !! 

 

1) W/L is a TEAM Stat, not just a QB Stat.  He had one of the great defenses the Bills ever had.

 

2) His one time in the playoffs he choked fumbled away the game on the 5 yard line, win-less in post season.

 

3) Figure it out for yourself,  your best "selling " point is he was better than rob Johnson.

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13 hours ago, row_33 said:

So now Doug can blame his parents for having him 30 years too soon

 

the excuses never stop 

 

...Doug was the greatest invention since beer........just ask him.............

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19 hours ago, Brother Hesekiah said:

 

 

The BILLS won games because they had a top-5 defense in 1998 and 1999 and Flutie and the rest of the offense did just enough not to lose.

 

In addition to letting Flutie go, the Bills had to purge their roster after the 1999 season due to salary cap issues. They missed the playoffs for 17 straight years because management was never able to restock the cupboard after that.

 

Flutie correlation is not Flutie causation.

Rob Johnson was 0-3 and Flutie went 11-2 you can argue how much he was responsible for but he was good and he was a big portion of the causation.

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5 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

Doug Flutie > Rob Johnson

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Again is this the best selling point for Doug Flutie, if so I rest my case.

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4 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

 

1) W/L is a TEAM Stat, not just a QB Stat.  He had one of the great defenses the Bills ever had.

 

2) His one time in the playoffs he choked fumbled away the game on the 5 yard line, win-less in post season.

 

3) Figure it out for yourself,  your best "selling " point is he was better than rob Johnson.

what did Flutie do to you? you are picking one play to rip him apart? he had thrown for 360 yards but it is his fault Andre Reed ran into an official at the 1 yd line. Dude could play- just because he is Drew Brees does not mean he was not a great QB

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