BillsMafia13 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never heard of an elite LT with short arms if there is 1 let me know either way there few and far in between. Inferring a player cant be good becasue their arms are 33 1/4 inches rather than 34 1/8 is the worst. Football is a sport not an excell sheet 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: As long as he doesn't draft Dillard. That's where I am at. But I think the most likely outcome is some sort of trade down and Byron Murphy, or a guy like Cody Ford/Dalton Risner. Why would we draft a DB when we picked up 2 other potential starters this offseason, as well as Johnson and Wallace? Edited April 25, 2019 by BillsMafia13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Inferring a player cant be good becasue their arms are 33 1/4 inches rather than 34 1/8 is the worst. Football is a sport not an excell sheet Why would we draft a DB when we picked up 2 other potential starters this offseason? They are only signed for 1 year, for one. And they are both hella injury prone. The draft is about building a team for now, and the future. Whoever they take in the 1st round will be here 4-5 years. “Needs” change in an instant, too. Edited April 25, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, 947 said: Jonah Williams will never be a starting LT in the NFL, let alone an All Pro. All Pro Guard?, I could maybe see that. Why though? Just because of the Clemson game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Just now, HeHateMe said: Why though? Just because of the Clemson game? He “won” more reps in that game than Ferrell btw. The ones he lost were on full display had the ones he won weren’t because that’s the life of an OL. It was a great battle between two 1st round talents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: They are only signed for 1 year, for one. The draft is about building a team for now, and the future. Whoever they take in the 1st round will be here 4-5 years. “Needs” change in an instant, too. I expect Wallace and Johnson to improve if anything. I also think McBeane has a solid crush on drafting in the front 7 on D so this is thier perfect opportunity. They let JA run behind that paper bag of an oline last year, maybe they're content with who they have. I love knowing I have 0 clue what to expect anymore Edited April 25, 2019 by BillsMafia13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: I expect Wallace and Johnson to improve if anything. I also think McBeane has a solid crush on drafting in the front 7 on D so this is thier perfect opportunity. They let JA run behind that paper bag of an oline this year, maybe they're content with who they have. I love knowing I have 0 clue what to expect anymore Taron Johnson is a slot corner only. Wallace has a small sample size and was a UDFA for a reason. He struggled big time in the run game. Corners are Uber valuable. Expecting Wallace to improve and be able to assume that other spot is risky. I don’t expect a corner at 9 but I wouldn’t be surprised as early as the next pick. Edited April 25, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) If Oliver's there, there's no way the Bills go with Williams, IMO. McD wants to fill that 3-technique hole in the worst way... 7 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never heard of an elite LT with short arms if there is 1 let me know either way there few and far in between. http://www.espn.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/12020/daily-mailbag-the-insanity-of-short-arms Joe Thomas was a unicorn. More likely, Williams career would look a lot like Bryan Bulaga's, which is just average to OK (refuting this ESPN analysis from his draft year)... Edited April 25, 2019 by Lurker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Taron Johnson is a slot corner only. Wallace has a small sample size and was a UDFA for a reason. He struggled big time in the run game. Corners are Uber valuable. Expecting Wallace to improve and be able to assume that other spot is risky. I don’t expect a corner at 9 but I wouldn’t be surprised as early as the next pick. Im not saying we should turn away talent at any position, but if there is one area the bills definitely have depth and talent at is DB. I just hope we dont pull the classic bills move of taking one early Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I wouldn't be the least disapointed in fact that is whom I want the Bills to draft.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 This would not disappoint at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Hmmm, I would hate it. Hope this scenario doesn’t play out as you described. If Oliver is there, I hope they take him. 9 is too early for Williams. My ideal scenario is some combination of Oliver, Hockenson , Fant and Nkeal Harry as the first two selections. Fant is a possible move down scenario. I think a move up from the Bills round 2 selection will be necessary to select Harry. The Bills need pass catchers to fix the offense and this would get it done imo. I think they e done enough in the offseason to bring the O line back to a respectable level. Hock/ Fant and Harry would set Allen up for the foreseeable future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Wouldn't disappoint anyone who understands how significant this would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I think switching jonah to left guard would be a great move for us. Other than the bench press he has very similar measureables to nelson. We could have a nice line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He “won” more reps in that game than Ferrell btw. The ones he lost were on full display had the ones he won weren’t because that’s the life of an OL. It was a great battle between two 1st round talents. Thats the classic OL scenario, isnt it? An OT can own a guy all day, and shut him down for 3+ quarters. But then the DE wins ONE time, gets a sack on 3rd down, and gets up and dances, and it's all anyone remembers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I think Williams is going to be a Kelvin Beachum-Eric Fisher type of tackle. Which to me, you don't draft in the top ten.He would probably be okay. I think he projects to be a good guard, not as good as Zach Martin, but maybe have a TJ Lang type of career. Again, you don't make that pick at 9. I think he would be an all pro center, top 10 type. His intelligence, footwork and agility project amazing there. But again, it's hard to justify in the top ten. I think it really depends what else is on the board. I think he could be the best center in the league eventually. Dillard, all I see is Jonathan Martin. A finesse player who is really soft and does not like to mix it up. I just don't see a heartbeat there. I don't see any edge in his play at all. I would hate the pick. I think he's a second rounder at best. With all off the power players we have added in Spain, Long, Feliciano, Nsekhe, Waddle...I really hope we are not interested in this guy. Taylor I could live with because I think he has the chance to be the best right tackle in the league who could possibly play left tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: Jake Matthews Matthews isn't elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Thats the classic OL scenario, isnt it? An OT can own a guy all day, and shut him down for 3+ quarters. But then the DE wins ONE time, gets a sack on 3rd down, and gets up and dances, and it's all anyone remembers. It's true. That's why PFF is flawed though. I don't believe you can just look at an overall grade. As an OL coach, I need the guy to be able to block the other team's best player at the most important, nerve racking moments of the game. He can't give up the game changing sack. That's what makes a guy elite or not elite. Offensive play callers call plays assuming their left tackle is going to stone the other team's best rusher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 8 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: 1. Arizona - Murray 2. Raiders - Trade with San Francisco Bosa 3. NY Jets - Allen 4. San Francisco - Quinnen Williams 5. Tampa Bay - White 6. NY Giants - Sweat - this is my most unsure pick. Sweat could go as high as 5 and fall as low as 25 7. Jacksonville - Taylor 8. Detroit - Bush 9. Buffalo - Jonah Williams This is what I think will happen not what I would do if I was GM for most of these clubs. I think Beane tries to trade down but can't find any suitors. I believe McDermott does not want an undersized Oliver at DT that argued with his coach. I think Dawkins took a step back in both run and pass blocking last year and Nsekhe is at best a one year retread rental at RT. I believe Beane would be happy landing Taylor, Williams, or Dillard but loathes to do so at #9. Lastly, while I would take Hockenson or Fant at #9, I think the board is probably correct in that teams just don't put first round grades on TE's that often and Beane won't either. With the top 7 defenders off the board, Beane albeit reluctantly takes a future All-Pro LT. I think categorizing Jonah as a future All-Pro is a massive stretch... Jonah was a very good College LT, maybe the best in College football last year...He's a real good technician who will be solid, no question...But All-Pro? That's basically saying he's going to be the best LT in football...That's a MAJOR leap considering his comps are more in the Riley Reiff, Bryan Bulaga area... I like Jonah...I really do...But we'll see...There are plenty of evaluators out there who think he'll eventually land at OG...So...One step at a time...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Your guess is as good as anyone's but IMO in that scenario they pick Oliver. If he's gone, I'd love to see them pick Jonah. From what we've heard, Oliver argued with his coach one time, and the two made up almost instantly. I don't think that's a big problem at all. There no way on Gods green earth that Beane takes Jonah over Oliver/ Hock. Not happening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: I think categorizing Jonah as a future All-Pro is a massive stretch... Jonah was a very good College LT, maybe the best in College football last year...He's a real good technician who will be solid, no question...But All-Pro? That's basically saying he's going to be the best LT in football...That's a MAJOR leap considering his comps are more in the Riley Reiff, Bryan Bulaga area... I like Jonah...I really do...But we'll see...There are plenty of evaluators out there who think he'll eventually land at OG...So...One step at a time...? Yeah I'm not thrilled with Dawkins but I think his ceiling is as high as Jonah Williams at LT and HIGHER at guard. If I am taking a LT that early I don't want a "solid" one...........I want one I won't mind giving a $100M contract extension to after 4 years.. The whole 5th year option and the escalating AAV's on contracts of edge players is an evolving factor in how teams should use first round picks...........you really want the massive ceiling with a top 10 pick...........you don't want to pay a Bulaga $18M per year just because you don't want to go from OK to nothing. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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