Virgil Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 Jawaan is removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: If someone offered them another 3rd or 2nd to move back just a few spots...sure guess its possible. Just seems more likely Beane will stay put here, plus someone needs to covet a player to trade up with us. Not sure who is on the board that a team feels the need to give up picks thats also close enough to our draft slot to consider another trade back. But hey, Beane loves value, so its always a possibility if the right offer is made of course. Anyone interested in Hockenson, Fant, Simmons should be thinking about offering the Bills picks. Carolina could be looking anywhere. Truly BPA. Giants could go anywhere as well. Less likely for a TE but DT, DE, OL. And Minn needs just about anything as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 What I have learned from Virgil's mock drafts: The will of TSW's populous, if Quinnen Williams and Ed Oliver are not on the board, is overwhelmingly in favor of drafting TJ Hockenson. It's pretty darn clear at this point. Given that the Bills have literally NEVER had a truly dominant tight end, and given how much a great tight end helps a young QB, and given that we all just watched Gronk dominate the Bills for a whole decade...I can't say I blame 'em. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Logic said: What I have learned from Virgil's mock drafts: The will of TSW's populous, if Quinnen Williams and Ed Oliver are not on the board, is overwhelmingly in favor of drafting TJ Hockenson. It's pretty darn clear at this point. Given that the Bills have literally NEVER had a truly dominant tight end, and given how much a great tight end helps a young QB, and given that we all just watched Gronk dominate the Bills for a whole decade...I can't say I blame 'em. Nope. And it would be awesome if we did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: If we didnt have Allen, I definitely would. Murray is just an overrated prospect who lacks that it factor. I watched some tape and didnt see anything that says 1st overall. If Rosen was in this draft I believe he would be the first QB off the board. I’m with you regarding Rosen. I really have no idea which I’d prefer though. While I don’t love Murray, there’s a lot to love. His arm talent is underrated and his legs are among the best ever. His physique is thick and he doesn’t take big hits. I think he has a real shot to be special. He came out of nowhere to win the heisman and completely has the “it” factor, minus his communication skills (the little that I’ve seen. if you’d be happy with Carr, you’d be fired within 5 years, unless you were on the Bengals. You’d buy yourself an extra 5 years because average is just fine for the Bengals. Enjoy watching Carr have an Andy Dalton type career. Too good to push you to replace him quickly. While not good enough to win you a super bowl....or a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 4 hours ago, NewEra said: I’m with you regarding Rosen. I really have no idea which I’d prefer though. While I don’t love Murray, there’s a lot to love. His arm talent is underrated and his legs are among the best ever. His physique is thick and he doesn’t take big hits. I think he has a real shot to be special. He came out of nowhere to win the heisman and completely has the “it” factor, minus his communication skills (the little that I’ve seen. if you’d be happy with Carr, you’d be fired within 5 years, unless you were on the Bengals. You’d buy yourself an extra 5 years because average is just fine for the Bengals. Enjoy watching Carr have an Andy Dalton type career. Too good to push you to replace him quickly. While not good enough to win you a super bowl....or a playoff game. Or you could wait for a Mahomes to come along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Hock is not a sexy pick anymore but a good value at 15. Need best DE/DL available with next pick. IF he becomes a stud TE like Kelce/Gronk/Ertz we would love this pick for many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 With All this trade back talk, you have to realize you need a team to want to move up. We cant force a trade b/c we said so in a poll. If there were offers then that should be up on the poll not just trade back. But at this spot I would say hock or Simmons and it looks like hock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 TJ Hock is the pick. The Panthers are on the clock @YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) I had no idea i was involved in this mock until I saw my name. One moment please. Panthers will take Brian Burns, DE, FSU did I do this right? Edited April 23, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I had no idea i was involved in this mock until I saw my name. One moment please. Panthers will take Brian Burns, DE, FSU did I do this right? Pretty much nailed it. Formatting and all. You were in the first one and thought you said you wanted to be in the final. @mrags is on the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 52 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Hock is not a sexy pick anymore but a good value at 15. Need best DE/DL available with next pick. IF he becomes a stud TE like Kelce/Gronk/Ertz we would love this pick for many years. I really like Daniel Jeremiah's stuff and thoughts and I keep coming back to him having Hockenson as like the 4th or 5th best player in this draft. I think, if he went back to Iowa, he would definitely be a top ten player next year. I think he's a top ten player this year. If he turns out to be one of those guys, it will definitely be the sexiest of picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I really like Daniel Jeremiah's stuff and thoughts and I keep coming back to him having Hockenson as like the 4th or 5th best player in this draft. I think, if he went back to Iowa, he would definitely be a top ten player next year. I think he's a top ten player this year. If he turns out to be one of those guys, it will definitely be the sexiest of picks. My irrational fear is that I keep flashing back to Maxx Williams when he came out and how many people seemed to love him. I am hoping that if we draft Hock in the 1st round, he is the real deal because I have always wanted the Bills to have a legitimate #1 TE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Hockenson at 15 after trade back for Bills... Major thumbs up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 The Vikings are itching to get to the podium....fortunately, they have two players identified.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, TPS said: The Vikings are itching to get to the podium....fortunately, they have two players identified.... better not be one of my guys!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Or you could wait for a Mahomes to come along. My motto is: if you don’t have a great QB, keep trying until you get one. Settling for QBs that might be able to get you into the playoffs is the worst thing you can do. Be the Bengals with Andy dalton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I had no idea i was involved in this mock until I saw my name. One moment please. Panthers will take Brian Burns, DE, FSU did I do this right? that's a great pick for Carolina. Also funny you didn't know you were in the draft. 10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: I actually think they would go Dillard over Taylor personally. Either is great value at 15, but I suspect Bills have more interest in Dillard. All that being said, some real tough choices here. Hockenson is a great value here, but I suspect Bills are not going to go TE as early as some of us have been thinking. Its a pretty deep class and all the TE prospects they have been linked to or showed interest are 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round guys. Kroft is a good blocker, so they may look to find value later in a deep TE draft full of guys who have some playmaking skills. Simmons is a top 5 talent sitting there...Beane loves value, he will be hard to pass. I am pretty high on Harry, so I think he would get some consideration here if Beane is sold on him. Bills sitting in good situation here. I seriously doubt Josh Jacobs or Marquise Brown have any shot at being selected here by the Bills though, but I get why they are a choice in the poll. I'd agree with this. I think the Bills here would go Dillard (best pass blocker in the draft); Simmons (tremendous value, and then get a DL such as Wise or Slayton later); then Hock. I envision the Bills going TE and WR later in the draft. Both are very deep. There is no one near Dillard in the 2nd round, IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I had no idea i was involved in this mock until I saw my name. One moment please. Panthers will take Brian Burns, DE, FSU did I do this right? Didn’t even know you were in the draft and yet you manage to steal my pick. The Giants are on the clock and a. Spring trade offers. Hit us up. Edited April 23, 2019 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, NewEra said: My motto is: if you don’t have a great QB, keep trying until you get one. Settling for QBs that might be able to get you into the playoffs is the worst thing you can do. Be the Bengals with Andy dalton. So JP Losman and EJ were acceptable in your eyes. You take the guy that has the potential. Mighty mouse does not IMO. I used to think EJs fall was the result of coaching decisions but came to realize as I watched Allen and Mayfield last season that EJ was missing the intangibles. Leadership and the will to win are very big in team sports. Allen never had to answer questions about wether he was a leader because it was there to see. Every guy that says they lead in different ways and by example has failed. EJ said that and Murray says that. Look how vocal Allen, Mahomes and Mayfield are. Carr is at least a vocal leader. Brady is definitely that. Murray is not going to be as good as Carr. If I had to take one of the QBs this year it would be Lock. If Oakland took Murray and I was The NYG Im offering a 2nd or 3rd for Carr without hesitation and laughing all the way to the bank. Edited April 23, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Virgil said: Pretty much nailed it. Formatting and all. You were in the first one and thought you said you wanted to be in the final. @mrags is on the clock No I actually wasn’t in the first one! It was an imposter? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Why is my name on this list? I didn't sign up lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said: Why is my name on this list? I didn't sign up lol If anyone (Yolo, Joe in Winslow, etc) doesn't want to be in this thing, allow me to be the first to volunteer to take on extra drafting duties if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 42 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: So JP Losman and EJ were acceptable in your eyes. You take the guy that has the potential. Mighty mouse does not IMO. I used to think EJs fall was the result of coaching decisions but came to realize as I watched Allen and Mayfield last season that EJ was missing the intangibles. Leadership and the will to win are very big in team sports. Allen never had to answer questions about wether he was a leader because it was there to see. Every guy that says they lead in different ways and by example has failed. EJ said that and Murray says that. Look how vocal Allen, Mahomes and Mayfield are. Carr is at least a vocal leader. Brady is definitely that. Murray is not going to be as good as Carr. If I had to take one of the QBs this year it would be Lock. If Oakland took Murray and I was The NYG Im offering a 2nd or 3rd for Carr without hesitation and laughing all the way to the bank. You said you were ok with Carr. I didn’t. The Losman year, I was banging on the table to trade up and draft Ben. Instead we trade up for Losman. Fail. Once he became out QB, it became wait and see. Not “I’m ok with him as our QB”. You have to give the kid a year or two to evaluate him. The Ej year was meh. I always hated Ej at FSU. I actually wanted Barkley in rd 2. I wanted Jimmy Clausen in rd 2. i wanted KSU QB Chad May back we drafted Todd Collins IIRC. i wanted another KSU Qb Michael Bishop. i wanted Carson Wentz, I wanted jimmy g and derek Carr the year after we drafted Ej I wanted Luck, Wilson and cousins i could literally go on all day. Since Kelly retired, I haven’t thought any of these QBs were “the guy” to lead us to a super bowl. I was either over them as our QB or I was holding out hope that they were “the franchise”. Since we haven’t had that, I was all for taking a QB in every draft. Not always in rd 1, but take a swing at some point. Whether or not Murray will be as good as Carr Isn’t something I can talk about right now. So much Carr has a SB winning coach. Murray will probably have a 38 year old kid that got fired from a college program 1 year ago. The thing that that I do know, i wouldn’t Derek Carr as my franchise QB. If he was, I would be actively trying to upgrade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Why is my name on this list? I didn't sign up lol You did the first one and thought you wanted in on this one as well. If you want to give them team up, just let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 19 minutes ago, NewEra said: You said you were ok with Carr. I didn’t. The Losman year, I was banging on the table to trade up and draft Ben. Instead we trade up for Losman. Fail. Once he became out QB, it became wait and see. Not “I’m ok with him as our QB”. You have to give the kid a year or two to evaluate him. The Ej year was meh. I always hated Ej at FSU. I actually wanted Barkley in rd 2. I wanted Jimmy Clausen in rd 2. i wanted KSU QB Chad May back we drafted Todd Collins IIRC. i wanted another KSU Qb Michael Bishop. i wanted Carson Wentz, I wanted jimmy g and derek Carr the year after we drafted Ej I wanted Luck, Wilson and cousins i could literally go on all day. Since Kelly retired, I haven’t thought any of these QBs were “the guy” to lead us to a super bowl. I was either over them as our QB or I was holding out hope that they were “the franchise”. Since we haven’t had that, I was all for taking a QB in every draft. Not always in rd 1, but take a swing at some point. Whether or not Murray will be as good as Carr Isn’t something I can talk about right now. So much Carr has a SB winning coach. Murray will probably have a 38 year old kid that got fired from a college program 1 year ago. The thing that that I do know, i wouldn’t Derek Carr as my franchise QB. If he was, I would be actively trying to upgrade So you wouldnt just keep drafting QBs til you get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, Virgil said: You did the first one and thought you wanted in on this one as well. If you want to give them team up, just let me know I do, time limited at the moment. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I do, time limited at the moment. Thanks. Okay. I can take them. I didn't give myself a team in case something like this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: Okay. I can take them. I didn't give myself a team in case something like this happened. Thanks, Virg. U THE MAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: So you wouldnt just keep drafting QBs til you get one. What? I would keep drafting QBs until I got one that proved he’s the franchise guy. It’s hard for GMs to do that because in many cases, their future is tied to the success of the first QB they spend a high pick on. Right now, Josh Allen looks like he may be the guy. In two years, he may be backing up Carr in Oakland. You just never know until you know. Derek Carr is an ok QB that will never be good enough to win a SB imo. So what’s the point? on that note. There’s nothing else to say regarding this subject. You have more confidence Carr than Murray. I don’t have any confidence in Carr being able to lead me to a championship. Murray hasn’t played a down in the NFL and really reminds me of Russell Wilson. I view him as having a chance to become a championship QB, while Carr has little to none. Hence me choosing Murray over carr. Agree to disagree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I’m close to making a pick. Looking for any last minute trade offers. I’m open to anything at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mrags said: I’m close to making a pick. Looking for any last minute trade offers. I’m open to anything at this point. I'll give you my 20th pick, 4th rounder and 7th rounder for your pick. Edited April 23, 2019 by Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Logic said: I'll give you my 20th pick, 4th rounder and 7th rounder for your pick. Make it 20th and a 2nd and you have a deal Edited April 23, 2019 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, mrags said: Make it 20th and a 2nd and you have a deal Please include points value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, mrags said: Make it 20th and a 2nd and you have a deal No thanks. That's a steep overpay on my part by several hundred points of value. I'm not desperate to trade up. Figured I'd just throw something out there since you said you'd "consider anything at this point". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Logic said: No thanks. That's a steep overpay on my part by several hundred points of value. I'm not desperate to trade up. Figured I'd just throw something out there since you said you'd "consider anything at this point". How about 20th and your 3rd rounder? Only a difference of about 150pts. Id do for 4th and more but we’re only doing 3 rounds so I don’t want to take a pic I can’t use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) Has the clock expired yet.....? I've probably cursed myself and you'll end up taking my #1 choice... Edited April 23, 2019 by TPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, TPS said: Has the clock expired yet.....? I've probably cursed myself and you'll end up taking my #1 choice... The Giants select DT Dexter Lawrence TPS is on the clock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, mrags said: The Giants select DT Dexter Lawrence TPS is on the clock Please try to use the correct formatting and include the college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 darn it! now i got to pivot TPS dont you dare! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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