Codyny13 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Only TE I’d take in the first is Hoch. -I got Irv as my number 2 -Fant at 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 The easy answer is not at 9. He 's not a top 10 talent. No issues in the second round but doubt he lasts. So do you trade up? If he was an all around TE then yes. His deficiency in blocking worries me - most of these types never become never substantially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: i get it....i want oliver @9 if that goes that way, but i just can't see taking hock that high. i still got eric ebron syndrome....and all the others. could hock be a gronk? i suppose, but making a kickass line and pass rush is why we went after all the fa's...so we can do that. we got our lee smith in fisher. tyler kroft is a good te and croom is family? We are not the most patient fans as OBD regimes have used up much of that currency, but I thought Croom came along last year; The fumble trying to do too much aside. His measurables are comparable to KBs sans the slow feet, extra weight, lack of compete.... I think he is that flex option TE for the Bills for now. Edited March 30, 2019 by WideNine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I've seen a mock with us taking alize mack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) On 3/29/2019 at 9:10 AM, dpberr said: In the battle of Iowa TEs, you really do have to decide between the superior athlete (Fant) and the superior football player (Hockenson). Personally, if I had to choose, I'd go with Hockenson because I think he will pick up the complexity of the plays, routes, blocking assignments, etc. faster than Fant will due to being the more experienced, well rounded football player. Hockenson won't have the hesitation Fant likely will trying to figure it all out. I think the athlete vs. player question at TE is readily apparent when you look at an Eric Ebron vs. George Kittle. Ebron is a superior athlete to Kittle but Kittle already knew how to run routes and catch passes when he entered the league. Ebron had to learn how to do that at a professional level "in" the league. I would concur with the overall assessment, but it's not that simple. Hockenson is going to be gone a good 10 spots higher than Fant so value also plays a role. Edited March 31, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 As the draft gets closer I see the Bills liking the depth of the tight end class this year. Draft two of them. Maybe Sternberger in the 2nd or 3rd. And then someone like Dawson Knox or Isaac Nauta in the 4th or 5th. They like tight ends in Daboll’s system. Bring 5 or 6 into camp and keep 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/29/2019 at 11:59 AM, YoloinOhio said: I like Fant but would not take him in the 1st. He doesn’t have great hands and I think he’s significantly less pro-ready than Hockenson. He’s a better athlete and faster but he’s not stepping in immediately ready to block at the Pro level. He has a lot of room to grow, and Nate Stanley struggled to throw the ball downfield consistently so i think he could be better utilized at the next level. He reminds me of Ebron. Which means he could go in the 1st, but i wouldn’t do it. He also had a bad day the one game Beane watched him live vs PSU. Fumbled and missed a huge assignment that led to an INT to lose game. He he has more “elite” traits than Hock but lacks polish - both are round 2 prospects imo who will go in 1st. he could be the Bills version of Edmunds - very high Ceiling but somewhat of a project. If so, your scenario could certainly play out. Many times if you don’t have good hands coming out of college you most likely wont have great hands in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Who is "Fisher"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 3/29/2019 at 1:27 PM, njbuff said: The draft is still freaking four weeks away. Longest wait ever between FA and the draft. it's bull####! The NFL drags out the draft like the Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) I wouldn't mind this at all. Beane has done a wonderful job of giving himself the flexibility to truly go BPA , I'd just be surprised that they pass up on a blue Chip DL that will certainly be there at 9 . With 10 picks , I'd much rather grab Oliver for example at 9 and trade back into the late first and grab Noah . Edited March 31, 2019 by JerseyBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I don’t think McDermott or Beane are going to easily forget the Patriots running it down our throats. If a top DL guy can be had, we’ll get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 9 hours ago, hemma said: I don’t think McDermott or Beane are going to easily forget the Patriots running it down our throats. If a top DL guy can be had, we’ll get him. I also believe that their offensive system, or at least the one that daboll wants to run, is very te reliant. Te is very important in modern NFL offense in both blocking and receiving. They could honestly go with dline or te early, with wr being a dark horse also. I think those are the only positions in play, at least in the first 2 picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 Charles Davis mock today has Bills taking Fant at #9. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001025021/article/charles-davis-2019-nfl-mock-draft-20-bengals-broncos-go-qb Now as I posted, I would trade down and take Fant a little lower. But at least one person agrees with me. What is the board's opinion of Davis? To be honest I never that much of his assessments which are only slightly better than his color analyst skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 ...professing my ignorance up front because I don't get to see college ball, it seems like our collegiate ball "in the know" posters (I depend on them) have Hock as the runaway TE leader draftee...yet Davis has Fant at #9 and Hock at #18....does it make any sense?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...professing my ignorance up front because I don't get to see college ball, it seems like our collegiate ball "in the know" posters (I depend on them) have Hock as the runaway TE leader draftee...yet Davis has Fant at #9 and Hock at #18....does it make any sense?..... I think most agree Hockenson is a more complete TE but I believe most feel Fant has more downfield explosiveness. The Bills have enough blocking with the kid from Cinci. My take is they need a guy that can create mismatches against both LB and safeties. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 We've had so many mediocre TE's over the last 20 years I think we finally deserve a shot at Hock (9) or Fant on a trade down. Both these guys can block and catch. If we don't go the obvious route of DL, then let it be one of these 2.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I'm tired of people coming up with fantasies to trade down for a specific player. If you trade down there is no guarantee your guy will be there, so you don't "trade back for player X" you have to say "I'm going to trade back and be okay taking playerX, player Y, player Z, player A or player B" at that spot/value If you don't have a pupu platter you are okay choosing from at a specific spot that you trade back to then it's not worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 55 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...professing my ignorance up front because I don't get to see college ball, it seems like our collegiate ball "in the know" posters (I depend on them) have Hock as the runaway TE leader draftee...yet Davis has Fant at #9 and Hock at #18....does it make any sense?..... Nope, Hock is the Best overall TE... and we need to find a way to get him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 42 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I think most agree Hockenson is a more complete TE but I believe most feel Fant has more downfield explosiveness. The Bills have enough blocking with the kid from Cinci. My take is they need a guy that can create mismatches against both LB and safeties. Saying they have enough blocking with the kid from Cincinnati doesn't make sense If the other team knows that kroft is primarily a blocker then it kind of gives away what play style you're running when you have him on the field vs the receiving te That's why a guy like hock (and gronk) is so valuable, they are 3 down players who create confusion between whether they will be blocking, receiving, or both on that play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I'm tired of people coming up with fantasies to trade down for a specific player. If you trade down there is no guarantee your guy will be there, so you don't "trade back for player X" you have to say "I'm going to trade back and be okay taking playerX, player Y, player Z, player A or player B" at that spot/value If you don't have a pupu platter you are okay choosing from at a specific spot that you trade back to then it's not worth it. Of course there is no guarantee and you always have to have plan B. But if Hockenson and Fant are both gone by say 15 then there is a good chance a high quality DL is available. You have to see how it all plays out. But if two QBs go in the top 8 and a team like Denver wants a QB then you can make a move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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