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2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Didn't Japanese Internment Camp survivors get reparations at one point?

The key word there is survivors. I’d be fine with former slave owners being required to pay their former slaves back wages for the time of their servitude. The problem is none of those people are alive today. 

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I guess making amends for past wrongs could include fashioning social support programs such as welfare, food stamps, WIC, cell phone accessibility, etc. for target  groups.  Seems like a lot of those things are in place, and many more are on the drawing board.  Such programs appear more effective than cash handouts, but we appear to have covered that base too, so....?

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2 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Didn't Japanese Internment Camp survivors get reparations at one point?

Yes but those were paid to those who were interred, not their descendants

 

And as shameful as the Japanese Internment Camps were, they weren't forced labor or extermination camps.  Calling the Japanese who were forced there "survivors" is a bit melodramatic.

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My family are all Italian immigrants. We were not here during slavery. Why would I pay for something done over 100 years ago, when none of my ancestors were involved? Give me a break! The Democratic Party has become a PT Barnum circus. If you watch The Greatest Showman movie you’ll know all that’s level is to recruit the Dog Boy and Bearded Lady.

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21 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

My family are all Italian immigrants. We were not here during slavery. Why would I pay for something done over 100 years ago, when none of my ancestors were involved? Give me a break! The Democratic Party has become a PT Barnum circus. If you watch The Greatest Showman movie you’ll know all that’s level is to recruit the Dog Boy and Bearded Lady.

Once they named an offspring Derek your family ceased being Italian.  Pay up.

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16 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

So what you're saying is that your ancestors colluded to bring slaves into the country?!?

 

they scouted the territory for prime area to bring slaves to

 

 

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6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

My family are all Italian immigrants. We were not here during slavery. Why would I pay for something done over 100 years ago, when none of my ancestors were involved? Give me a break! The Democratic Party has become a PT Barnum circus. If you watch The Greatest Showman movie you’ll know all that’s level is to recruit the Dog Boy and Bearded Lady.

They would argue that you and your family benefitted from the fruits of slavery.

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22 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

So what you're saying is that your ancestors colluded to bring slaves into the country?!?

I was going to edit my prior post because I may have left the impression that there were no slaves here prior to my ancestors arrival. There were no black slaves here but plenty of Native American slaves held by various tribes. Now, I've had this nagging question that's been heavy on my heart. Were the actual slave auctioneers evil? Asking for a friend.

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38 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Not at all. Slavery depressed wages so if anything they were harmed by slavery.  

  The reparations crowd would argue that "debt" was paid in full via white privilege during the 20th Century.  Further, these loons believe that every town had a secret society that existed for the promotion of whites even if they did not have a mission to oppress minorities.  But it all boils down to who they expect will actually be writing the checks which is why they are not even interested in Great Britain's role as the mother nation watching slavery take root here centuries ago.

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11 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The reparations crowd would argue that "debt" was paid in full via white privilege during the 20th Century.  Further, these loons believe that every town had a secret society that existed for the promotion of whites even if they did not have a mission to oppress minorities.  But it all boils down to who they expect will actually be writing the checks which is why they are not even interested in Great Britain's role as the mother nation watching slavery take root here centuries ago.

 

Spain, actually.  They introduced slavery to the New World.  Although the Royal Navy was originally built on the slave trade.

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Just now, BillsFanNC said:

What if you have an ancestor who was an abolitionist who fought and died for the Union in the Civil War?

  His descendants were more than payed in full via white privilege during the 20th Century.  

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

It was all about cheap cotton.

  Funny thing is that cotton got dirt cheap once mechanization took full root in the cotton belt.  Had slavery and the advent of the farm tractor truly intersected in time the slave owners would have faced the conundrum of what to do with all the excess labor.  

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32 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

What if you have an ancestor who was an abolitionist who fought and died for the Union in the Civil War?

 

mine were Empire Loyalists, thank goodness...

 

 

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2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Not at all. Slavery depressed wages so if anything they were harmed by slavery.  

Yeah, this isn't about just "wages" in the 1800s.

 

2 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  That's been the "catch all" argument for those whose ancestors did not participate in slavery and were white.  

Correct.

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3 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

What if you have an ancestor who was an abolitionist who fought and died for the Union in the Civil War?

We should file for reparations from both the descendants of freed slaves and of Confederate soldiers that survived the War

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6 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

What if you have an ancestor who was an abolitionist who fought and died for the Union in the Civil War?

 

Mine were Yankees going back to 1630, so pre-dated any slaves.  But I guess I'm on the hook big time when the SJWs get around to reparations for American Indians.

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1 hour ago, KD in CA said:

 

Mine were Yankees going back to 1630, so pre-dated any slaves.  But I guess I'm on the hook big time when the SJWs get around to reparations for American Indians.

You're just a piker. Mine was the first governor of New Amsterdam who purchased Manhattan for $24 of trinkets from the wrong Indians. Anyway, I claim 1624 and I won't pay a guilder in reparations.

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24 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

You're just a piker. Mine was the first governor of New Amsterdam who purchased Manhattan for $24 of trinkets from the wrong Indians. Anyway, I claim 1624 and I won't pay a guilder in reparations.

 

Gotcha beat by 100 years.  Mine discovered the Great Lakes.

 

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On 3/22/2019 at 8:17 AM, SoCal Deek said:

My family are all Italian immigrants. We were not here during slavery. Why would I pay for something done over 100 years ago, when none of my ancestors were involved? Give me a break! The Democratic Party has become a PT Barnum circus. If you watch The Greatest Showman movie you’ll know all that’s level is to recruit the Dog Boy and Bearded Lady.

Ask Tibs. His pre-Nazi ancestors came to Virginia in the 1600s and in all likelihood owned slaves. 

 

On 3/22/2019 at 10:22 PM, KD in CA said:

 

Mine were Yankees going back to 1630, so pre-dated any slaves.  But I guess I'm on the hook big time when the SJWs get around to reparations for American Indians.

Slavery was legal in all the colonies. Massachusetts was the first to ban the practice... in 1780, PA, New Hampshire followed suit. New York - 1799-1824. Ohio - 1802. New Jersey 1804. Connecticut and RI did it in 1784.

 

 

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