Doc Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: No you didn't. I was quoting you. Yeah and this investigation was over from the start. The only thing left is to argue over a technicality. But again that didn’t cause him to commit the crime. But as I’ve said, I’m more than fine with him escaping charges as long as the video is made public. But he can’t have both the video kept hidden and be free of charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Just now, Doc said: Yeah and this investigation was over from the start. The only thing left is to argue over a technicality. But again that didn’t cause him to commit the crime. The "human trafficking" investigation was over from the start---because the cops knew right away that there was none going on at that place. So they waited a few months to rack up a couple hundred solicitation busts. Zero convictions so far with deals on the table.....and they are getting sued over their botches video taping. "if you get into legal trouble you shouldn't talk to the police or admit guilt and should fight the charges any way you can" So "fighting the charges any way you can" is the same as "using the oldest trick in the book is a charade and a waste of time"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) On 5/4/2019 at 10:35 PM, ricko1112 said: Kraft is a humanitarian and philanthropist. He's given more than $500M to charities. Or, he's an uber-rich a-hole who knows how to limit his tax liability. Probably somewhere in the middle. Edited May 7, 2019 by eball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The "human trafficking" investigation was over from the start---because the cops knew right away that there was none going on at that place. So they waited a few months to rack up a couple hundred solicitation busts. Zero convictions so far with deals on the table.....and they are getting sued over their botches video taping. "if you get into legal trouble you shouldn't talk to the police or admit guilt and should fight the charges any way you can" So "fighting the charges any way you can" is the same as "using the oldest trick in the book is a charade and a waste of time"? In most cases you don’t have clear-cut evidence like this. So in those cases you don’t admit guilt to the worst charge right off the bat and/or help law-enforcement make their case against you. And I’ve never once said that if you commit a crime, you shouldn’t be punished at all. We both admit that Bobby committed a crime. But if they throw out the video, there’s a good chance he’ll escape charges. And you’re OK with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The "human trafficking" investigation was over from the start---because the cops knew right away that there was none going on at that place. So they waited a few months to rack up a couple hundred solicitation busts. Zero convictions so far with deals on the table.....and they are getting sued over their botches video taping. "if you get into legal trouble you shouldn't talk to the police or admit guilt and should fight the charges any way you can" So "fighting the charges any way you can" is the same as "using the oldest trick in the book is a charade and a waste of time"? 11 minutes ago, Doc said: In most cases you don’t have clear-cut evidence like this. So in those cases you don’t admit guilt to the worst charge right off the bat and/or help law-enforcement make their case against you. And I’ve never once said that if you commit a crime, you shouldn’t be punished at all. We both admit that Bobby committed a crime. But if they throw out the video, there’s a good chance he’ll escape charges. And you’re OK with that? How long have you two been married, anyway? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: How long have you two been married, anyway? Reportando! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 45 minutes ago, Doc said: Yeah and this investigation was over from the start. The only thing left is to argue over a technicality. But again that didn’t cause him to commit the crime. But as I’ve said, I’m more than fine with him escaping charges as long as the video is made public. But he can’t have both the video kept hidden and be free of charges. Oh he might very well be able to, absolutely. I still think at some point the video is leaked but I give Kraft 80% probability he is not convicted, 70% video is legally not made public. There is no need for, no public good accomplished releasing that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: Oh he might very well be able to, absolutely. I still think at some point the video is leaked but I give Kraft 80% probability he is not convicted, 70% video is legally not made public. There is no need for, no public good accomplished releasing that video. I meant he can’t expect to have it both ways. As for the video being released, why not? It’s entertainment (for some). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc said: I meant he can’t expect to have it both ways. As for the video being released, why not? It’s entertainment (for some). I am highly certain Kraft's legal team, which probably has 100X the budget of the local DA, has "informed" the DA that if Kraft gets off and that video is made public Kraft's lawyers will charge them with the invasion of privacy, violating his civil liberties and whatever else they can throw at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 45 minutes ago, Gugny said: How long have you two been married, anyway? Its got be ought near 20 years ... maybe 22 Married on the D&C Forums they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, Doc said: I meant he can’t expect to have it both ways. As for the video being released, why not? It’s entertainment (for some). Why not? From report of spa he had it both ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I am highly certain Kraft's legal team, which probably has 100X the budget of the local DA, has "informed" the DA that if Kraft gets off and that video is made public Kraft's lawyers will charge them with the invasion of privacy, violating his civil liberties and whatever else they can throw at them. Unless they can prove he leaked it, I'm not sure what recourse they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Unless they can prove he leaked it, I'm not sure what recourse they have. Copyright laysuit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Other than Kraft's embarrassment, what would be gained by releasing the video? And if Kraft's embarrassment is the only goal, that's shameful and borderline pathetic, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Where da ho's at?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Other than Kraft's embarrassment, what would be gained by releasing the video? And if Kraft's embarrassment is the only goal, that's shameful and borderline pathetic, IMO. You do know of the clown world we live in these days right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, MacGyver said: You do know of the clown world we live in these days right? I am painfully aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 This is 2019-Kraft's lawyers should allege that the Chinese woman is a transgender who self identifies as a man (or a cat) and thus all criticism of Mr. Kraft is technically a Hate Crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Gugny said: Other than Kraft's embarrassment, what would be gained by releasing the video? And if Kraft's embarrassment is the only goal, that's shameful and borderline pathetic, IMO. Being forced to sell the team 20 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Where da ho's at?? I think Brady is in camp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: Being forced to sell the team It will never happen; nor should it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: It will never happen; nor should it. Yea the new owner might move them to Hartford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Doc said: In most cases you don’t have clear-cut evidence like this. So in those cases you don’t admit guilt to the worst charge right off the bat and/or help law-enforcement make their case against you. And I’ve never once said that if you commit a crime, you shouldn’t be punished at all. We both admit that Bobby committed a crime. But if they throw out the video, there’s a good chance he’ll escape charges. And you’re OK with that? Clear cut evidence like a video of a guy stomping another guy who is in the fetal position on the ground (sorry....couldn't resist!)? Yes he committed a crime. If he gets off because the cops and the DA screwed up the case, so be it. That's on them. They made a mess of this whole operation from the beginning. If he walks, meh...it's a handjob. It's not like he nearly decapitated his ex wife and another guy. If the video is suppressed there is no case. And if the video is suppressed because it was improperly warranted and executed, the Sunshine Laws won't apply, so it can't be legally released. So in that circumstance, yeah, he likely will have it "both ways"----although I'm betting that, given what we now know about his preferred massage predilections, I'm sure that's what he asked for each time he visited that place: "i'll have it both ways please". 2 hours ago, Gugny said: How long have you two been married, anyway? More like common law... 2 hours ago, Doc said: I meant he can’t expect to have it both ways. As for the video being released, why not? It’s entertainment (for some). You can't wait to see that tape doc. You can't stop talking about its "release". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Gugny said: Other than Kraft's embarrassment, what would be gained by releasing the video? And if Kraft's embarrassment is the only goal, that's shameful and borderline pathetic, IMO. Kraft should just own it, and distribute it a la Pamela Anderson/Tommy Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26694657/prosecutors-say-kraft-attorneys-lied-court lied in court? Two of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft's high-profile defense attorneys lied during his misdemeanor solicitation of prostitution case and falsely alleged a police officer admitted to fabricating a traffic violation to stop another massage parlor customer, prosecutors asserted Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 40 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26694657/prosecutors-say-kraft-attorneys-lied-court lied in court? Two of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft's high-profile defense attorneys lied during his misdemeanor solicitation of prostitution case and falsely alleged a police officer admitted to fabricating a traffic violation to stop another massage parlor customer, prosecutors asserted Tuesday. Highly paid prominent attorneys playing hardball. What's the surprise? The prosecuting side is just as capable of fighting back against the men who wear more expensive suits. There is going to come a point where the judge is going to get exasperated with these guerrilla war legal wrangling over a low caliber violation that is taking up a lot of his court's time and resources. It is going to be interesting to see which side his ire is going to be directed towards. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Seems to always come down to how much justice one can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Someone associated with Kraft lying to the courts? get outta town this man is a saint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 12 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26694657/prosecutors-say-kraft-attorneys-lied-court lied in court? Two of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft's high-profile defense attorneys lied during his misdemeanor solicitation of prostitution case and falsely alleged a police officer admitted to fabricating a traffic violation to stop another massage parlor customer, prosecutors asserted Tuesday. lawyers lied? geez, next we'll hear people going REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE when they find out politicians lie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 11 hours ago, JohnC said: Highly paid prominent attorneys playing hardball. What's the surprise? The prosecuting side is just as capable of fighting back against the men who wear more expensive suits. There is going to come a point where the judge is going to get exasperated with these guerrilla war legal wrangling over a low caliber violation that is taking up a lot of his court's time and resources. It is going to be interesting to see which side his ire is going to be directed towards. the judge can just toss it out or he can get pissed they are wasting his time and throw the book at him. Someone should sell the video to the highlight bidder and give the money to charity 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: lawyers lied? geez, next we'll hear people going REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE when they find out politicians lie REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 11 hours ago, Keukasmallies said: Seems to always come down to how much justice one can afford. well..... but a rich man is going to be prosecuted for things a poor man cannot, and the reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the judge can just toss it out or he can get pissed they are wasting his time and throw the book at him. It's a misdemeanor. Not sure how big the book will be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: the judge can just toss it out or he can get pissed they are wasting his time and throw the book at him. Someone should sell the video to the highlight bidder and give the money to charity REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE The video is in the custody of the authorities. Anyone involved with the selling of evidence is committing a crime and will be held accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: It's a misdemeanor. Not sure how big the book will be. LOL OK throw the notepad at him. 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: The video is in the custody of the authorities. Anyone involved with the selling of evidence is committing a crime and will be held accountable. while true ..... someone will manage to "hack" in and get the video footage and sell it to the highest bidder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: LOL OK throw the notepad at him. while true ..... someone will manage to "hack" in and get the video footage and sell it to the highest bidder Are you expecting the Putin hack? I wonder if there is a big market for a video of a 77 yr old sausage being gently massaged? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 Just now, JohnC said: Are you expecting the Putin hack? I wonder if there is a big market for a video of a 77 yr old sausage being gently massaged? TMZ will buy just about anything Just look at the Kardashians the Jersey Shore buffoons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 This whole thing is interesting because I can remember when someone that was into watching other guys have sex was considered a pervert. Now with internet porn it is promoted to the masses as healthy entertainment-so much so that people are bragging/excited that they are going to be the first to watch Kraft get jerked. Pretty wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 13 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26694657/prosecutors-say-kraft-attorneys-lied-court lied in court? Two of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft's high-profile defense attorneys lied during his misdemeanor solicitation of prostitution case and falsely alleged a police officer admitted to fabricating a traffic violation to stop another massage parlor customer, prosecutors asserted Tuesday. Actually, if you read the article, Krafts lawyers, while questioning the cop on the stand in front of the judge and the prosecutor, accused him of fabricating a reason for the traffic stop. And actually: "Prosecutors said to avoid telling the man that his traffic violation had occurred in the spa's parking lot, Kimbark was recorded telling another officer that if the man asked about its location he would "come up with something." So it's hardly a difficult line of questioning for the cop. Also: "Burck in his phone interview laughed at the accusation, saying prosecutors were present during Spiro's conversation with Kimbark."If they thought it was such a terrible thing, it is interesting that they decided to raise it a week later and not right after it happened in front of the judge," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: TMZ will buy just about anything Just look at the Kardashians the Jersey Shore buffoons There is a big difference in this case with the Kardashian and Jersey Shore naughty guys and girls. In this Florida Kraft case it would be someone in the legal system selling evidence. I don't want to come off sanctimonious but that is illegal and corrupt. Just because Kraft is rich that doesn't mean that he should be treated corruptly by the legal system. In the grand scheme of the judicial system this is a miniscule and a nuisance case. In my view the authorities are acting out of proportion to the scale of the offense. It's a waste of time and resources. This case should be dropped. Don't believe in the concept of the purity of the law. Discretion and judgment are part of the fabric of the system. Just as it is in horse racing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 8, 2019 Share Posted May 8, 2019 45 minutes ago, JohnC said: There is a big difference in this case with the Kardashian and Jersey Shore naughty guys and girls. In this Florida Kraft case it would be someone in the legal system selling evidence. I don't want to come off sanctimonious but that is illegal and corrupt. Just because Kraft is rich that doesn't mean that he should be treated corruptly by the legal system. In the grand scheme of the judicial system this is a miniscule and a nuisance case. In my view the authorities are acting out of proportion to the scale of the offense. It's a waste of time and resources. This case should be dropped. Don't believe in the concept of the purity of the law. Discretion and judgment are part of the fabric of the system. Just as it is in horse racing! If you get pulled over leaving a Rub and Tug do you go back the next day? This is stupidity and yeah I like laughing at it. Damn you Al Gore for creating the internet and giving people the opportunity to hack peoples NUDE VIDEOS!!!! 56 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Actually, if you read the article, Krafts lawyers, while questioning the cop on the stand in front of the judge and the prosecutor, accused him of fabricating a reason for the traffic stop. And actually: "Prosecutors said to avoid telling the man that his traffic violation had occurred in the spa's parking lot, Kimbark was recorded telling another officer that if the man asked about its location he would "come up with something." So it's hardly a difficult line of questioning for the cop. Also: "Burck in his phone interview laughed at the accusation, saying prosecutors were present during Spiro's conversation with Kimbark."If they thought it was such a terrible thing, it is interesting that they decided to raise it a week later and not right after it happened in front of the judge," It was a direct Copy Paste - Blame ESPN FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- Two of New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft's high-profile defense attorneys lied during his misdemeanor solicitation of prostitution case and falsely alleged a police officer admitted to fabricating a traffic violation to stop another massage parlor customer, prosecutors asserted Tuesday. Caption This I would have done it for $100 and kissed you after Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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