The "National Emergency" Thread

[3rdnlng]

Let me get this straight. Everything that comes across the border and through our ports of entry gets examined to some extent. Virtually nothing that comes across our border between those ports of entry gets examined. How can anyone claim that the problem is mainly at the ports of entry when we are not effectively controlling the open areas? Just because more contraband is found at the ports of entry doesn't mean that 10x that amount isn't coming across our open areas. What a ***** up conclusion.

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[DC Tom]

4 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Let me get this straight. Everything that comes across the border and through our ports of entry gets examined to some extent. Virtually nothing that comes across our border between those ports of entry gets examined. How can anyone claim that the problem is mainly at the ports of entry when we are not effectively controlling the open areas? Just because more contraband is found at the ports of entry doesn't mean that 10x that amount isn't coming across our open areas. What a ***** up conclusion.

 

 

Yep.  I don't know what the internal analysis actually is...but you never see it portrayed publicly as anything that makes a lick of sense.  Basically, everyone argues a multivariable equation as though it's a single-variable problem.

 

I'm not at all sure that anyone has any real idea how many people cross the southern border.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[row_33]

17 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Let me get this straight. Everything that comes across the border and through our ports of entry gets examined to some extent. Virtually nothing that comes across our border between those ports of entry gets examined. How can anyone claim that the problem is mainly at the ports of entry when we are not effectively controlling the open areas? Just because more contraband is found at the ports of entry doesn't mean that 10x that amount isn't coming across our open areas. What a ***** up conclusion.

 

 

they are guessing at the numbers

 

they have a budget to protect and try to inflate each year

 

 

[3rdnlng]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

they are guessing at the numbers

 

they have a budget to protect and try to inflate each year

 

 

That doesn't make sense and is not germane to the discussion.

[Tiberius]

John Kelly speaks! 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/us/politics/john-kelly-trump-kushner.html

 

Obviously he wants nothing to do with the policy of putting children in cages! 

 

Quote

 

Mr. Kelly defended the utility of the NATO alliance, which Mr. Trump has often criticized as an unfair financial drain on the United States.

On a wall at the border with Mexico, Mr. Kelly said that there were specific areas where it could be effective but constructing one “from sea to shining sea” was a “waste of money.”

The issuance of the zero-tolerance policy for border crossings that resulted in family separations “came as a surprise” to him and to other officials, Mr. Kelly said, defending his replacement as secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, Kirstjen Nielsen, from criticism. He appeared to place most of the blame on the former attorney general, Jeff Sessions, who announced the policy.

Of people crossing the border who are apprehended, Mr. Kelly contradicted the president. “They’re overwhelmingly not criminals — they’re people coming up here for economic” purposes. Mr. Trump has regularly portrayed immigrants crossing at the southern border as dangerous lawbreakers.

 

 

17 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Let me get this straight. Everything that comes across the border and through our ports of entry gets examined to some extent. Virtually nothing that comes across our border between those ports of entry gets examined. How can anyone claim that the problem is mainly at the ports of entry when we are not effectively controlling the open areas? Just because more contraband is found at the ports of entry doesn't mean that 10x that amount isn't coming across our open areas. What a ***** up conclusion.

 

You just lack a basic understanding of how transportation works, I guess. Points of entry are usually roads, right? You understand (Probably not because you are a stupid f'n idiot) that trucks carry lots of stuff and that a person walking through the f'n desert probably doesn't? 

 

Ok, so now a quiz: 

 

1) A truck going through a point of entry can do which of the following? 

a) Carry more than a person 

b) Hide more contraband than a person 

c) Pass through the border carrying drugs 

d) all of the above 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

That doesn't make sense and is not germane to the discussion.

 

you asked, never mind....

 

they basically make up their numbers, they can't justify them before any kind of objective audit, let alone a hostile one

 

 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

John Kelly speaks! 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/07/us/politics/john-kelly-trump-kushner.html

 

Obviously he wants nothing to do with the policy of putting children in cages! 

 

 

You just lack a basic understanding of how transportation works, I guess. Points of entry are usually roads, right? You understand (Probably not because you are a stupid f'n idiot) that trucks carry lots of stuff and that a person walking through the f'n desert probably doesn't? 

 

Ok, so now a quiz: 

 

1) A truck going through a point of entry can do which of the following? 

a) Carry more than a person 

b) Hide more contraband than a person 

c) Pass through the border carrying drugs 

d) all of the above 

 HA HA Gator, you are about as dumb of a ***** that exists. Texas, for example has 29 official guarded points of entry. There are a thousand ways to get across the border with or without a vehicle and basically escape detection. Barriers would prevent that. That right there completely blows up your asinine premise.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[DC Tom]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

 HA HA Gator, you are about as dumb of a ***** that exists. 

 

 

 HA HA Gator, you are about as dumb of a ***** that exists. 

 

 

 HA HA Gator, you are about as dumb of a ***** that exists.

 

 

Normally, you'd be an idiot for repeating yourself.

 

But in this case, you're point can't be stressed enough.

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Normally, you'd be an idiot for repeating yourself.

 

But in this case, you're point can't be stressed enough.

Thanks for the complement. I had my hard drive replaced recently and it's acting as ***** up as HA HA Gator.

 

Edited March 7, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, 3rdnlng said:

Thanks for the complement. I had my hard drive replaced recently and it's acting as ***** up as HA HA Gator.

Thanks for the complement. I had my hard drive replaced recently and it's acting as ***** up as HA HA Gator.

 

Now you're an idiot.

[3rdnlng]

Migrants journey north can be perilous:

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/truck-roll-over-in-mexico-kills-at-least-25/ar-BBUvPdF?ocid=HPDHP17

 

At least 25 migrants from Central America were killed while 30 or so were injured in a rollover accident in Mexico as they were being transported north in a container attached to a pickup truck.

[Tiberius]

@The_Dude 

 

https://www.apnews.com/ba6c2bc1fa024393801131bfbaa9cd89  

 

Military pensions to be raided to fund the stupid wall!! What? 

[Hedge]

[KRC]

18 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

@The_Dude 

 

https://www.apnews.com/ba6c2bc1fa024393801131bfbaa9cd89  

 

Military pensions to be raided to fund the stupid wall!! What? 

 

You didn't actually read the article, did you?

[3rdnlng]

25 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

@The_Dude 

 

https://www.apnews.com/ba6c2bc1fa024393801131bfbaa9cd89  

 

Military pensions to be raided to fund the stupid wall!! What? 

HAHA Gator, you are the master of the lie. Do you not read what you post?

 

 

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon is planning to tap $1 billion in leftover funds from military pay and pension accounts to help President Donald Trump pay for his long-sought border wall, a top Senate Democrat said Thursday.

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., told The Associated Press, “It’s coming out of military pay and pensions. $1 billion. That’s the plan.”

Durbin said the funds are available because Army recruitment is down and a voluntary early military retirement program is being underutilized.

The development comes as Pentagon officials are seeking to minimize the amount of wall money that would come from military construction projects that are so cherished by lawmakers.

 

Durbin said, “Imagine the Democrats making that proposal — that for whatever our project is, we’re going to cut military pay and pensions.”

Durbin, the top Democrat on the Appropriations panel for the Pentagon, was among a bipartisan group of lawmakers who met with Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan on Thursday morning.

The Pentagon is planning to transfer money from various accounts into a fund dedicated to drug interdiction, with the money then slated to be redirected for border barriers and other purposes.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 8, 2019 by 3rdnlng

[Koko78]

7 minutes ago, KRC said:

 

You didn't actually read the article, did you?

 

In fairness, the author did go out of his way to not highlight that the money is not being used, and that it takes money away from no one in the military - through the excessive and outright false statements by Durbin.

Edited March 8, 2019 by Koko78

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Pentagon is planning to tap $1 billion in leftover funds from military pay and pension accounts to help President Donald Trump pay for his long-sought border wall, a top Senate Democrat said Thursday.

Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., told The Associated Press, “It’s coming out of military pay and pensions. $1 billion. That’s the plan.”

Durbin said the funds are available because Army recruitment is down and a voluntary early military retirement program is being underutilized.

The development comes as Pentagon officials are seeking to minimize the amount of wall money that would come from military construction projects that are so cherished by lawmakers.

 

Durbin said, “Imagine the Democrats making that proposal — that for whatever our project is, we’re going to cut military pay and pensions.”

Durbin, the top Democrat on the Appropriations panel for the Pentagon, was among a bipartisan group of lawmakers who met with Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan on Thursday morning.

The Pentagon is planning to transfer money from various accounts into a fund dedicated to drug interdiction, with the money then slated to be redirected for border barriers and other purposes.

 

 

In gatorman's defense, that's a dishonest article quoting Durban being dishonest.

[3rdnlng]

3 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

In gatorman's defense, that's a dishonest article quoting Durban being dishonest.

And you know this how? I'm being rhetorical. HAHA Gator said this:

 

"Military pensions to be raided to fund the stupid wall!! What?" 

 

It was a lie.

[Deranged Rhino]

Speaking of liars lying (or being too dumb to know their ass from a doorknob) 

 

 

He still takes Ed Buck's money though. Because Ted Lieu is a man of "honor". 

 

 

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

And you know this how? I'm being rhetorical. HAHA Gator said this:

 

"Military pensions to be raided to fund the stupid wall!! What?" 

 

It was a lie.

 

Gatorman couldn't know it was a lie, as that would require him to be able to...y'know...read.

[The_Dude]

44 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

@The_Dude 

 

https://www.apnews.com/ba6c2bc1fa024393801131bfbaa9cd89  

 

Military pensions to be raided to fund the stupid wall!! What? 

 

I doubt it. 

[Tiberius]

18 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Gatorman couldn't know it was a lie, as that would require him to be able to...y'know...read.

Well, at least I don't go out of my way defending lies, so I'm still ahead of the game. But you guys know that anyway ?

[3rdnlng]

4 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Well, at least I don't go out of my way defending lies, so I'm still ahead of the game. But you guys know that anyway ?

It's because you can't defend your lies.

[Tiberius]

22 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

It's because you can't defend your lies.

Lol, you are a Trump supporter. You are accusing ME of lying. What a hypocritical POS you are. 

 

I'm sorry for posting that. My bad. 

[Deranged Rhino]

This has always been at the center of the entire debate. Illegals voting secure victories for the left, and have for years. Now they're just being open about their motives: 

 

 

Nothing to see here.

[Chef Jim]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

This has always been at the center of the entire debate. Illegals voting secure victories for the left, and have for years. Now they're just being open about their motives: 

 

 

Nothing to see here.

 

 

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The measure would have had no practical effect even if it had passed. Illegal immigrants — and indeed noncitizens as a whole — are not legally able to participate in federal elections.

 

Excuse me?  No practical effect? Even if they are not allowed to vote in federal elections their ability to vote in state and local elections will be defended.  I do NOT want people voting on propositions that say how my tax dollars are spent when they themselves are not paying taxes.  

3 hours ago, KRC said:

 

You didn't actually read the article, did you?

 

Even I have not read the article and I'm pretty sure he ***** this one up too. 

[Chef Jim]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

I'm sorry I'm a dumbass and didn't read the article I linked to.  I'll try to do better next time.

 

Well it's about ***** time. 

[Doc Brown]

20 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

This has always been at the center of the entire debate. Illegals voting secure victories for the left, and have for years. Now they're just being open about their motives: 

 

 

Nothing to see here.

I didn't even know they were allowed to participate in local elections.

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

I didn't even know they were allowed to participate in local elections.

 

Me either but that was such a poorly written "news article" I'm not sure if there is anywhere they are currently allowed.  It just said the bill would allow the Feds to defend state and local municipalities allowing illegals to vote.....or something like that. 

Edited March 8, 2019 by Chef Jim

[SoCal Deek]

Throughout history nations have defended their sovereignty with blood and treasure.  The United States is surrendering it's sovereignty without firing a shot...and while paying people to take it away from them. Brilliant!

[DC Tom]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Me either but that was such a poorly written "news article" I'm not if there is anywhere they are currently allowed.  It just said the bill would allow the Feds to defend state and local municipalities allowing illegals to vote.....or something like that. 

 

There are.  I know my city and county allow it, as do many of the surrounding.

 

In my county, it causes them to have to print multiple different ballots for all the different permutations of who is allowed and not allowed to vote in what elections (I think they had something like 11 different ballots in 2018.)  Makes it awfully easy to commit fraud: since ballots are "confidential," just "accidentally" give people the wrong ballot, and oopsie...

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

There are.  I know my city and county allow it, as do many of the surrounding.

 

In my county, it causes them to have to print multiple different ballots for all the different permutations of who is allowed and not allowed to vote in what elections (I think they had something like 11 different ballots in 2018.)  Makes it awfully easy to commit fraud: since ballots are "confidential," just "accidentally" give people the wrong ballot, and oopsie...

 

And I found another article (Fox I think) that said this is in response to the GOP having an issue with SF (surprise surprise) allowning non-citizens being allowed to vote in school board elections. 

[DC Tom]

11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

And I found another article (Fox I think) that said this is in response to the GOP having an issue with SF (surprise surprise) allowning non-citizens being allowed to vote in school board elections. 

 

That is usually the argument: non-citizen residents send their kids to school and legally live in their communities, so should have the right to vote within those communities.

 

It's a fairly sound argument.  At the very least it's not histrionic leftist claptrap.

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

That is usually the argument: non-citizen residents send their kids to school and legally live in their communities, so should have the right to vote within those communities.

 

It's a fairly sound argument.  At the very least it's not histrionic leftist claptrap.

 

I agree but it is a slippery slope. 

[Cinga]

Define Federal Election? 

Is it any office of the federal government? 

Or is it only offices with elections that are held nationally? (only POTUS is)

If an illegal can vote for mayor, does that mean they can also vote for that district representative to Congress?

If an illegal can vote for governor, does that also mean they can for for the senate?

Edited March 9, 2019 by Cinga

[Deranged Rhino]

[Bob in Mich]

Gee, have you folks made Trump a saint yet?  What is taking so long?

[Deranged Rhino]

Some are still waiting on confirmation he's a Russian asset first. You know, like we were told was a "fact" for over two years by many. 

[Koko78]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

Some are still waiting on confirmation he's a Russian asset first. You know, like we were told was a "fact" for over two years by many. 

 

In fairness, Trump has yet to irrefutably prove that he is not a Russian asset. The presumption of guilt and laws of #MeToo still apply, unless it's a Democrat being accused of anything.