Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Yes or no Quote Key lawmakers announced a tentative deal late Monday that would avert another government shutdown at the end of the week while denying President Trump much of the money he’s sought to build new walls along the U.S.-Mexico border. The agreement came together during intense hours of closed-door negotiations at the Capitol, as lawmakers resurrected talks that had fallen apart over the weekend in a dispute over new Democratic demands to limit immigrant detention. Democrats ultimately dropped some of those demands, which had come under fire from Republicans, clearing the way for a deal. Hurdles remained, and Trump’s ultimate backing was in doubt after quick opposition emerged from conservatives. But lawmakers on both sides said they were motivated to find agreement by the looming specter of another government shutdown Friday night, three weeks after the last one ended. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/top-lawmakers-meet-to-revive-stalled-border-talks-with-shutdown-days-away/2019/02/11/3cd0fc1a-2dff-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html?utm_term=.66e9d1dd2e5c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I will guess this isn’t worth turning off the ignore on Tibs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Walls are racist. To be not racist we need to: 1. Have open borders 2. Tax the rich 70-90% 3. Use formerly rich peoples money to provide: a. Universal healthcare b. Universal basic income c. Universal education d. Housing for any person who doesn’t have it e. Defund homeland security f. Ensure Black Panther wins best motion picture Failure to comply with those extremely reasonable and affordable measures is racism. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Don’t fly, take the train to Europe, Americans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keukasmallies Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Well, gee, contrary to the way the 'mocrats operate (a la Pelosi's you have to sign it to read it....) just maybe The Donald should read it BEFORE he signs it, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 36 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Walls are racist. To be not racist we need to: 1. Have open borders 2. Tax the rich 70-90% 3. Use formerly rich peoples money to provide: a. Universal healthcare b. Universal basic income c. Universal education d. Housing for any person who doesn’t have it e. Defund homeland security f. Ensure Black Panther wins best motion picture Failure to comply with those extremely reasonable and affordable measures is racism. You left out the Grammy song of the year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 If it's not 5 billion dollars, I doubt he signs it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Keukasmallies said: Well, gee, contrary to the way the 'mocrats operate (a la Pelosi's you have to sign it to read it....) just maybe The Donald should read it BEFORE he signs it, eh? Not unusual for things to be passed without reading them, usually they just want a pork package tossed in Edited February 12, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Congress shouldn't even be considering whether or not Trump will sign it. They should negotiate one that can pass with a veto-proof majority and marginalize the Oompa-Loompa. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Trump read? Ha ha ha! That is a good one. It's well known the idiot does not read anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1.5 billion for border security isn't a compromise, it's a joke. Shutdown the government or declare an emergency, hope the president sticks to his guns. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Like King Kong Bundy, Trump will want the 5 count 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I think he will sign it and go an alternative route for the wall. Which will face very strong legal resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Trump the surrender monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Yes or no https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/top-lawmakers-meet-to-revive-stalled-border-talks-with-shutdown-days-away/2019/02/11/3cd0fc1a-2dff-11e9-813a-0ab2f17e305b_story.html?utm_term=.66e9d1dd2e5c sure. sign it and get the rest of the money from other sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trump the surrender monkey If I said that about Obuma, I'd be called a racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: If I said that about Obuma, I'd be called a racist Then don't say it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Then don't say it I will. Obama was a surrender monkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 In terms of will he sign it??? Guess it depends on what Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, and Ducey tell him to do no? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, The_Dude said: I will. Obama was a surrender monkey. Well, we already know you feelings on that topic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Proposals do not equal a "Compromise Bill" This was floated to see where we stand. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 13 minutes ago, Foxx said: sure. sign it and get the rest of the money from other sources. Yep, then when comes to DACA and TPS, he can tell the libs to kiss his ass 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 27 minutes ago, Crayola64 said: I think he will sign it and go an alternative route for the wall. Which will face very strong legal resistance. I think so too. And his alternative route will take money from the USACE's CA wildfire relief, which will cause an interesting *****-fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, Tiberius said: Well, we already know you feelings on that topic Right. Never mind the campaign contributions I gave him along with my vote twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I think so too. And his alternative route will take money from the USACE's CA wildfire relief, which will cause an interesting *****-fit. is that doable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 He shouldn't sign anything that reduces capacity to hold criminals unless they can find a way to deport them faster which reduces the need for space for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: In terms of will he sign it??? Guess it depends on what Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, and Ducey tell him to do no? When did you become this stereotypical, all-too-predictable Tibs /34/baskin-like purveyor of far-left nothing-else to-offer nonsense? Seriously. We already have those guys to post the first thing they get each day off Vox.com. Be different. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 A POS telling another poster what to think and say. Pathetic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 32 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Yep, then when comes to DACA and TPS, he can tell the libs to kiss his ass It will happen in his second term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: When did you become this stereotypical, all-too-predictable Tibs /34/baskin-like purveyor of far-left nothing-else to-offer nonsense? Seriously. We already have those guys to post the first thing they get each day off Vox.com. Be different. i am going off his decision to not sign the first extension back in December that triggered the first shutdown. He told McConnell he would sign the resolution..only to back out when those opinion folks, along with Rush, went nuts. I firmly believe that is why you are not hearing a peep from his camp on this deal, he wants to see how the wind is blowing with his base first, and especially the tone his nightly call with Hannity. BTW, i will respect the dude much more if stands up for his principles. He knows the Dems shoved the assinine bed thing in there just so's they had something to bend on...and it is usually him using this age old negotiating technique. I am sure he is pissed the way this played out...but he is in a bit of a corner no w. Dems outplayed the Republicans on this on so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i am going off his decision to not sign the first extension back in December that triggered the first shutdown. He told McConnell he would sign the resolution..only to back out when those opinion folks, along with Rush, went nuts. I firmly believe that is why you are not hearing a peep from his camp on this deal, he wants to see how the wind is blowing with his base first, and especially the tone his nightly call with Hannity. BTW, i will respect the dude much more if stands up for his principles. He knows the Dems shoved the assinine bed thing in there just so's they had something to bend on...and it is usually him using this age old negotiating technique. I am sure he is pissed the way this played out...but he is in a bit of a corner no w. Dems outplayed the Republicans on this on so far... 'Garbage compromise': Hannity warns Republicans not to back spending deal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, The_Dude said: Walls are racist. To be not racist we need to: 1. Have open borders 2. Tax the rich 70-90% 3. Use formerly rich peoples money to provide: a. Universal healthcare b. Universal basic income c. Universal education d. Housing for any person who doesn’t have it e. Defund homeland security f. Ensure Black Panther wins best motion picture Failure to comply with those extremely reasonable and affordable measures is racism. You forgot the gov't to give money to anyone who can't or is unwilling to work. Edited February 12, 2019 by pop gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 20 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: is that doable? Apparently so, from what I've heard on the news this morning. Relief money is apparently not earmarked, but part of a more general USACE fund. And as CINC, the President has pretty broad authority to move that money around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Trump’s failed shutdown strategy produced an even worse deal than he started with President Trump has almost no leverage left in this shutdown debate. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Quote A House Democratic aide tells me that negotiators also agreed that the deal would include "substantial" expenditures to address the humanitarian plight of migrants arriving at the border. Such money would go towards “medical care, more efficient transportation, food and other consumables,” to “upgrade conditions and services for migrants,” as the original Democratic proposal at the start of conference committee talks put it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/02/12/with-new-border-deal-republicans-are-trying-negotiate-trumps-surrender/?utm_term=.3d220bfec134 Good, I like it when we help poor people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinreaper Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: i am going off his decision to not sign the first extension back in December that triggered the first shutdown. He told McConnell he would sign the resolution..only to back out when those opinion folks, along with Rush, went nuts. I firmly believe that is why you are not hearing a peep from his camp on this deal, he wants to see how the wind is blowing with his base first, and especially the tone his nightly call with Hannity. BTW, i will respect the dude much more if stands up for his principles. He knows the Dems shoved the assinine bed thing in there just so's they had something to bend on...and it is usually him using this age old negotiating technique. I am sure he is pissed the way this played out...but he is in a bit of a corner no w. Dems outplayed the Republicans on this on so far... I think you'd be wise to hold off claiming victory until this has all played out. It appears that the dems have done nothing for the DACA people, increased the "beds" allowed and moved off of their stance on the morality of the wall. Trump can only move so fast and the money that would be appropriated here along with additional funds taken from elsewhere keeps construction going. The really good negotiators think many steps ahead and leave their opponent thinking they've done well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: w. Dems outplayed the Republicans on this on so far... Keep watching. This is all bait. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Quote “The border city of El Paso, Texas used to have extremely high rates of violent crime – one of the highest in the entire country, and considered one of our nation’s most dangerous cities,” the president argued in his State of the Union address. “Now, immediately upon its building, with a powerful barrier in place, El Paso is one of the safest cities in our country. Simply put: Walls work, and walls save lives.” The argument has a certain simplistic appeal: the border city was incredibly dangerous, then it got a wall, and now it’s incredibly safe. Ergo, border walls are effective at improving security. The problem, of course, is that Trump either has no idea what he’s talking point or he assumes you’re easily fooled. According to law enforcement data, the city had low crime rates well before a border barrier was constructed between 2008 and mid-2009. Violent crime has been dropping in El Paso since its modern-day peak in 1993 and was at historic lows before a fence was authorized by Congress in 2006. Violent crime actually ticked up during the border fence’s construction and after its completion, according to police data collected by the FBI. http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-trumps-lie-about-el-paso-texas-so-important Fun day! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, grinreaper said: I think you'd be wise to hold off claiming victory until this has all played out. It appears that the dems have done nothing for the DACA people, increased the "beds" allowed and moved off of their stance on the morality of the wall. Trump can only move so fast and the money that would be appropriated here along with additional funds taken from elsewhere keeps construction going. The really good negotiators think many steps ahead and leave their opponent thinking they've done well. I did say ‘ so far”. As I said , if Trump sticks to his guns and really believes in the wall, I hope he does not agree to this. 5 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Keep watching. This is all bait. Could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: Could be. Almost 100% certain it is. I get there by first understanding he can get the money for the wall without Congress and without an EO (meaning they won't be able to stop him with an injunction). The left knows this, and has known it for awhile. Trump knows this, and has known this, for just as long if not longer. This is all a show - either to make the democrats expose themselves and their true platform for 2020 and beyond, or because they're really negotiating something else entirely outside of the public eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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