Should look familiar to Bills fans

[row_33]

1 minute ago, eball said:

I know whenever I need a pick-me-up this board never disappoints.

 

People are worshiping ESPN and Rodak on another thread because they said something optimistic about the Bills

 

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[NoHuddleKelly12]

18 minutes ago, row_33 said:

Shula cashed in on a great run with the Colts and Fish and was worshiped for the next 20 years when he did nothing better than okay...

 

 

 

Fish fan friends who weren’t around for 1973 despised his vaunted genius for his last 15 years

 

 

And his talent at QB/WR was right up there with the all-timers--Marino racked up multiple passing records during his run, but the Bills were there to snuff out the Fish in the playoffs time after time. Unlike Hoodie, Shula simply could come up with no answers for the Bills O. 

[row_33]

Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

And his talent at QB/WR was right up there with the all-timers--Marino racked up multiple passing records during his run, but the Bills were there to snuff out the Fish in the playoffs time after time. Unlike Hoodie, Shula simply could come up with no answers for the Bills O. 

 

Shula was great for the late 60s and early 70s    style of football

 

And rode it right into 1995

[NoHuddleKelly12]

6 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Shula was great for the late 60s and early 70s    style of football

 

And rode it right into 1995

Yes--the ultimate "resting on your laurels" HC who could never be ushered out the door unwillingly based on exactly that. Although, it's not like his 90's Miami teams were ever bad/awful (having Marino covered up a lot of sins), they just couldn't get over the hump outside the regular season, sort of like the modern era Chargers or Vikings? 

[row_33]

8 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Yes--the ultimate "resting on your laurels" HC who could never be ushered out the door unwillingly based on exactly that. Although, it's not like his 90's Miami teams were ever bad/awful (having Marino covered up a lot of sins), they just couldn't get over the hump outside the regular season, sort of like the modern era Chargers or Vikings? 

 

Even with the miracle of Marino falling into his life it never amounted to much, even in the criminally weak AFC

 

 

[BillsFan1988]

On 2/4/2019 at 5:20 AM, oldmanfan said:

Belichick did tonight what he did in the Bills first Super Bowl.  Shut down a high scoring offense and completely ourcoached McVay just like he outcoached (along with Parcells) Marv.

Belicheck didn't shut down the Bills we moved the ball at will. The problem was the ball control ground and pound attack by the Giants and OJ Anderson. This idea that Belicheck shut us down is a myth we had 371 total yds in 19mins. I'm so sick of hearing this bullcrap. Mof if Norwood hits that fg that gives us 22pts in 19 mins of offense . If our defense got the Giants off the field we win easily by double digits 

Edited February 8, 2019 by BillsFan1988

[RyanC883]

On 2/3/2019 at 10:20 PM, oldmanfan said:

Belichick did tonight what he did in the Bills first Super Bowl.  Shut down a high scoring offense and completely ourcoached McVay just like he outcoached (along with Parcells) Marv.

 

McVay was awful.  A few 3rd and 2's, and he has Goff rolling out and passing.  Hand it off, and go for it on 4 and 1.  Or have a designed QB sneak.  I kept thinking that JA wins that game.  

[oldmanfan]

33 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said:

Belicheck didn't shut down the Bills we moved the ball at will. The problem was the ball control ground and pound attack by the Giants and OJ Anderson. This idea that Belicheck shut us down is a myth we had 371 total yds in 19mins. I'm so sick of hearing this bullcrap. Mof if Norwood hits that fg that gives us 22pts in 19 mins of offense . If our defense got the Giants off the field we win easily by double digits 

I guess you can't read.  He shut down a high scoring offense. We scored only 19 points. He took the passing game away.  And he along with Parcells outcoached Marv by running the ball down our throats.

 

Marv should have told Kelly to quit throwing the ball and just let Thurman and Kenny run.  

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I guess you can't read.  He shut down a high scoring offense. We scored only 19 points. He took the passing game away.  And he along with Parcells outcoached Marv by running the ball down our throats.

 

Marv should have told Kelly to quit throwing the ball and just let Thurman and Kenny run.  

 

I don’t believe Marv or his coaches did much during games

 

They either steamrolled or surrendered 10 points to the other side 

[BillsFan1988]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

I guess you can't read.  He shut down a high scoring offense. We scored only 19 points. He took the passing game away.  And he along with Parcells outcoached Marv by running the ball down our throats.

 

Marv should have told Kelly to quit throwing the ball and just let Thurman and Kenny run.  

The pt is Belicheck didn't shut down nothing 371 yds & 19 Pts in 20mins of offense. Our D cost us more opportunities to score more. I'm tired of the NFL trying to tell the story the wrong way.  

[Dr.Sack]

Thurman Thomas was awesome in this game. If Meggett aka Welker/Amendola/Edelman didn’t convert that 3rd and 17 we likely win. 

[row_33]

21 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said:

The pt is Belicheck didn't shut down nothing 371 yds & 19 Pts in 20mins of offense. Our D cost us more opportunities to score more. I'm tired of the NFL trying to tell the story the wrong way.  

 

He won......

 

 

[freddyjj]

14 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Thurman Thomas was awesome in this game. If Meggett aka Welker/Amendola/Edelman didn’t convert that 3rd and 17 we likely win. 

I believe this is the play you are referring to on the Giants 9+ minute drive in 3rd Quarter.  Mark Ingram WR breaks 5 tackles on 3rd and 13, yikes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgWfLZgr-YA

 

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

I believe this is the play you are referring to on the Giants 9+ minute drive in 3rd Quarter.  Mark Ingram WR breaks 5 tackles on 3rd and 13, yikes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgWfLZgr-YA

 

 

The one where he hopped on one leg for the last 12 yards?

 

he wanted to show Bavaro that he was man enough

 

[John from Riverside]

On 2/3/2019 at 7:20 PM, oldmanfan said:

Belichick did tonight what he did in the Bills first Super Bowl.  Shut down a high scoring offense and completely ourcoached McVay just like he outcoached (along with Parcells) Marv.

The biggest mistake was not giving those guys a chaperone the night before the Super Bowl.....as the rumors are wide spread about the partying they did

[BillsFan1988]

20 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

He won......

 

 

Pt is people are trying to paint a picture that Belicheck shut down the Rams like he did the 90 Bills and that's not even close to the case.  I realize they have a copy of the game plan he had against us in the Hof.  I wonder if it explains that we had nearly 400yds offense and 19pts in under 20mins of football.

[row_33]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan1988 said:

Pt is people are trying to paint a picture that Belicheck shut down the Rams like he did the 90 Bills and that's not even close to the case.  I realize they have a copy of the game plan he had against us in the Hof.  I wonder if it explains that we had nearly 400yds offense and 19pts in under 20mins of football.

 

I could dismiss every Pats season as unimpressive, aside from when Moss was there, but it’s silly after 18 or so years.

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

I believe this is the play you are referring to on the Giants 9+ minute drive in 3rd Quarter.  Mark Ingram WR breaks 5 tackles on 3rd and 13, yikes!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgWfLZgr-YA

 

I count 3 missed tackles.

[row_33]

7 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

I count 3 missed tackles.

 

That and Hostetler miraculously holding onto the ball on the safety were the 2nd and 3rd most remembered plays for me

 

How the frig did he not fumble it away for a Bills TD?

 

Edited February 8, 2019 by row_33

[freddyjj]

18 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

I count 3 missed tackles.

let's call it 4 then.  Kirby Jackson, Talley, Kelso and JD Williams at the end.  Talley got up and secured tackle on 2nd try.  And it was Ingram not Meggett for the record.?

[dollars 2 donuts]

Respectfully, I think he out coached Kelly and Ted Marchibroda in XXV.

[Nihilarian]

On 2/3/2019 at 10:22 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Don't forget Kelly called the plays. He wanted MVP even though Thurman was tearing them up. Had to run the hurry up K-gun.

The Bills D just couldn't stop OJ Anderson in the third quarter and they went from the NY Giants 25 to the Bills end zone in 13 plays that ate up most of that quarter. Thurman had the better game but Anderson got the MVP nod.  Walt Corey...

 

The biggest play of the game in my view was when Bruce Smith had his hand on Hostetler's wrist in the end zone and the ball was in that hand. Sacked -7 yards for a safety. Somehow, he managed not to fumble it...the NY Giants backup QB. 

 

 

[Success]

32 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

The Bills D just couldn't stop OJ Anderson in the third quarter and they went from the NY Giants 25 to the Bills end zone in 13 plays that ate up most of that quarter. Thurman had the better game but Anderson got the MVP nod.  Walt Corey...

 

The biggest play of the game in my view was when Bruce Smith had his hand on Hostetler's wrist in the end zone and the ball was in that hand. Sacked -7 yards for a safety. Somehow, he managed not to fumble it...the NY Giants backup QB. 

 

 

I feel like I still remember every minute of that  long drive.  It just got more and more frustrating.

 

There was one 3rd and long where about 3 Bills had a chance to make an easy tackle and couldn’t.  That extended the drive by about 3-4 minutes and probably decided the game.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

The Bills D just couldn't stop OJ Anderson in the third quarter and they went from the NY Giants 25 to the Bills end zone in 13 plays that ate up most of that quarter. Thurman had the better game but Anderson got the MVP nod.  Walt Corey...

 

The biggest play of the game in my view was when Bruce Smith had his hand on Hostetler's wrist in the end zone and the ball was in that hand. Sacked -7 yards for a safety. Somehow, he managed not to fumble it...the NY Giants backup QB. 

 

 

 

Part of the reason why the Bills D couldn't stop Anderson is because the Bills offense barley possessed the ball. Giants slowed things down. Kelly still ran the hurry up.

 

If Kelly didn't let his ego get the best of him, he would have called more run plays, especially when the Giants had two-man fronts. TWO MAN!!!! That's an engraved invitation to run. Kelly sees it as a challenge that he wouldn't back down from.

 

Ego and partying cost us that championship.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Part of the reason why the Bills D couldn't stop Anderson is because the Bills offense barley possessed the ball. Giants slowed things down. Kelly still ran the hurry up.

 

If Kelly didn't let his ego get the best of him, he would have called more run plays, especially when the Giants had two-man fronts. TWO MAN!!!! That's an engraved invitation to run. Kelly sees it as a challenge that he wouldn't back down from.

 

Ego and partying cost us that championship.

Conversely you could argue that it was exactly because Kelly wasn’t afraid to still throw it that the Giants did not stack the box, thus allowing Thurman the run bursts that he had, including on even the final FG drive to get the Bills in FG range. So what if Thurman was given the ball every play—you don’t think that BB wouldn’t have made the simple adjustment of loading the box? It’s still important to have balance and given that the Bills D couldn’t get off the field, the Bills O was pressing in order to put up points. Not saying that was the right or wrong thing, it just is what it is. Had the kick gone through, then it’s an academic argument, and BB instead of getting a game plan in the HOF, winds up being the next Wade Phillips of close but not close enough that day. And Kelly is then also lauded for the play selection. 

[row_33]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

The Bills D just couldn't stop OJ Anderson in the third quarter and they went from the NY Giants 25 to the Bills end zone in 13 plays that ate up most of that quarter. Thurman had the better game but Anderson got the MVP nod.  Walt Corey...

 

The biggest play of the game in my view was when Bruce Smith had his hand on Hostetler's wrist in the end zone and the ball was in that hand. Sacked -7 yards for a safety. Somehow, he managed not to fumble it...the NY Giants backup QB. 

 

 

 

OJ Anderson, well last his prime and Jeff Hostetler.....

 

*****!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PromoTheRobot]

3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Conversely you could argue that it was exactly because Kelly wasn’t afraid to still throw it that the Giants did not stack the box, thus allowing Thurman the run bursts that he had, including on even the final FG drive to get the Bills in FG range. So what if Thurman was given the ball every play—you don’t think that BB wouldn’t have made the simple adjustment of loading the box? It’s still important to have balance and given that the Bills D couldn’t get off the field, the Bills O was pressing in order to put up points. Not saying that was the right or wrong thing, it just is what it is. Had the kick gone through, then it’s an academic argument, and BB instead of getting a game plan in the HOF, winds up being the next Wade Phillips of close but not close enough that day. And Kelly is then also lauded for the play selection. 

 

Thurman had only 15 carries. He still got 135 yards. That's 9 ypc.  You know how mad we get when we don't use our best players?

[Augie]

15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Thurman had only 15 carries. He still got 135 yards. That's 9 ypc.  You know how mad we get when we don't use our best players?

 

BB is known for taking away your best weapon. He picked Kelly and the passing game, but we had another option. We just refused to use it. Thurman should have been SB MVP.  The more talented team got outsmarted. 

 

But then, if not for a few missed tackles, they still win that game. Ball bounces wrong sometimes.....too often in our case. 

Edited February 9, 2019 by Augie

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Thurman had only 15 carries. He still got 135 yards. That's 9 ypc.  You know how mad we get when we don't use our best players?

I hear ya. But interesting that of the 55 total plays run by the Bills, the run/pass ratio ended up being 30 pass, 25 rushes. They basically matched the Giants in total yards (371 to 386) even with the Giants running 71 plays. But yes, at the end of the day Thurm should’ve gotten fed more, I don’t really disagree.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXV

[Ga boy]

18 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Respectfully, I think he out coached Kelly and Ted Marchibroda in XXV.

I remember the 3rd quarter was like going to the dentist.  We had 8 pro bowlers to their 6.  Comparing the 26 man roster, we had probably 20 better players.  Too much partying led to fatigue of our tacklers in 3rd quarter.  I bet Bill's defense was tucked in and snoring when the clock struck 12 on Sat night;  whereas, Marv's approach was that he would not try to control grown men.  Also, of all the SBs, we must admit that Bill was the smartest man on the field that night.  History validates since then.  One final note.  While many conclude that we were better team, comparing strength of schedule, ours was far easier, and Giants played tougher teams tougher.  They definitely played tougher than night.  Ask Andre Reed.  Maybe they were really just  1 point better at the end.  Instead of excuses, I tip my hat to the tougher team and smarter coach.

 

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

I remember the 3rd quarter was like going to the dentist.  We had 8 pro bowlers to their 6.  Comparing the 26 man roster, we had probably 20 better players.  Too much partying led to fatigue of our tacklers in 3rd quarter.  I bet Bill's defense was tucked in and snoring when the clock struck 12 on Sat night;  whereas, Marv's approach was that he would not try to control grown men.  Also, of all the SBs, we must admit that Bill was the smartest man on the field that night.  History validates since then.  One final note.  While many conclude that we were better team, comparing strength of schedule, ours was far easier, and Giants played tougher teams tougher.  They definitely played tougher than night.  Ask Andre Reed.  Maybe they were really just  1 point better at the end.  Instead of excuses, I tip my hat to the tougher team and smarter coach.

 

 

Root canal delivered by Thurman was also his loss of helmet for the Skins SB first series and fumbling away what was a surprisingly good situation in one of the Dallas losses

[Nihilarian]

16 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Part of the reason why the Bills D couldn't stop Anderson is because the Bills offense barley possessed the ball. Giants slowed things down. Kelly still ran the hurry up.

 

If Kelly didn't let his ego get the best of him, he would have called more run plays, especially when the Giants had two-man fronts. TWO MAN!!!! That's an engraved invitation to run. Kelly sees it as a challenge that he wouldn't back down from.

 

Ego and partying cost us that championship.

Hey, I agree that Kelly was part of the reason for that loss. All through those "hurry up" offensive years, Thurman Thomas was 75% of the offense. The Bills actually ran the ball more then they threw it most of those glory years.

 

Another problem as I see it was that this team was so used to dominating by putting up quick scores and then siccing Bruce Smith on the opposing QB. So what we all saw was what happens when that opponent decides to run the ball down your throat to keep your offense on the sidelines? 

 

NT Jeff Wright, 6'2'' 274lbs...can that be right? LDE Leon Seals 6'5'' 265lbs. RDE Bruce Smith 6'4'' 262lbs. Talk about smaller, faster...it's no wonder they could rush the passer and couldn't stop the run! 

 

 

Funny thing is the Bills beat the NYG at their stadium 17-13 in week 13 with both starting QBs getting injured and knocked out of the game. Giants starting RB Rodney Hampton rushed 21 times for 105 yards in that game. Soooo, in that SB it was the Giants backup RB too. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

9 hours ago, Ga boy said:

I remember the 3rd quarter was like going to the dentist.  We had 8 pro bowlers to their 6.  Comparing the 26 man roster, we had probably 20 better players.  Too much partying led to fatigue of our tacklers in 3rd quarter.  I bet Bill's defense was tucked in and snoring when the clock struck 12 on Sat night;  whereas, Marv's approach was that he would not try to control grown men.  Also, of all the SBs, we must admit that Bill was the smartest man on the field that night.  History validates since then.  One final note.  While many conclude that we were better team, comparing strength of schedule, ours was far easier, and Giants played tougher teams tougher.  They definitely played tougher than night.  Ask Andre Reed.  Maybe they were really just  1 point better at the end.  Instead of excuses, I tip my hat to the tougher team and smarter coach.

 

 

 

Great post.  One reminder, though, we did beat them in New York during the season.  Maybe would have taken them more seriously had we lost.