Top DT prospect Jeffrey Simmons not invited to combine; Tore ACL in pre-draft workouts

[KD in CA]

On 1/31/2019 at 11:00 AM, wppete said:

 

Wow that’s some messed ups S%#t. He’s done.... probably won’t even get drafted.

 

Let's hope.  My first instinct was this was probably an overreaction to something when he was 15, but seeing the video and learning it was just 3 years ago confirms this is a sub-human who deserves nothing.

 

 

On 1/31/2019 at 11:03 AM, freddyjj said:

We may need some perspective here.  I will not do an oped here.

 

https://mississippitoday.org/2018/11/28/jeffery-simmons-a-story-of-redemption/

 

.....and of course those who make their living sniffing jock's asses come up with some 'story of redemption' bullsh--.   

[BUFFALOTONE]

On ‎2‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 2:37 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You say you would love to be proven wrong...while advocating to deprive him of the opportunity to do so.  Do you see the irony in that?

So him not beating up another woman over the last 3 years leads you to believe that he's rehabilitated.  You're a trusting soul.

[GoodHands15]

On 1/31/2019 at 4:20 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

So the NFL has already de facto blackballed the guy.  Does that mean if he gets drafted he could be looking at an immediate suspension?  For actions not even taken while in the NFL?

 

Yep but in todays age, that person on the ground could have been identifying as a male.

Or a transgender bi-panda

 

never know

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, BUFFALOTONE said:

So him not beating up another woman over the last 3 years leads you to believe that he's rehabilitated.  You're a trusting soul.

 

Any team that's interested is going to have to do their due diligence.

 

The thing is, either you believe people can change and deserve the chance to change

Or what do you suggest?  One mistake, ruin your life for good?

[BUFFALOTONE]

On ‎2‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 7:15 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Any team that's interested is going to have to do their due diligence.

 

The thing is, either you believe people can change and deserve the chance to change

Or what do you suggest?  One mistake, ruin your life for good?

Nope, he got his chance via a fully paid scholarship and the ability to work in a field with his degree. Dudes who usually beat up on women have a pre-conceived notion that they can continue.  The NFL is a privilege  to be selected, not a right. He's absolutely talented enough.

 

Let me ask this question: What actual punishment did he receive for beating this lady up?  

[formerlyofCtown]

On 1/31/2019 at 2:00 PM, wppete said:

 

Wow that’s some messed ups S%#t. He’s done.... probably won’t even get drafted.

Good hopefully we can get him for a 7th and he has or will straighten his life out.

 

Its not that confusing wppete, not everyone is going to hold a kids mistake against him if he is willing to move in a new direction.  Some people truely are sincere in wanting the best for people.  You should feel bad for the victim of a violent action. You should confront the perpotrator and try to move them in a better direction.  If you will not allow that person to move forward in life then they are now your victim and youre no better then they.  The only difference is that the original perpatrater is past there offense and the "lynch  mob" is still caught up in their offencive behavior and hypocracy.

Edited February 8, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Jauronimo]

On ‎1‎/‎31‎/‎2019 at 4:08 PM, Rob's House said:

I'd like to see the full video from the beginning and know the back story before passing judgment. 

 

I read that the girl attacked his sister and he was trying to break it up and the other girl wouldn't stop. My opinion would hinge largely on what started the fight and what this girl did to his sister. He clearly didn't unload on her because she got up a few seconds later. If he was throwing with full force she'd have been out. It's noteworthy that immediately after that he stopped the other girl (his sister?) from continuing to punch her.

 

There's a huge distinction between hitting a girl who's attacking your sister & laying out your wife for mouthing off.

 

And if recent events have taught us anything, it's that context matters.

Between Simmons and Tony Washington I just can't figure out the NFL anymore.  You can't protect your sister.  You can't f@#$ your sister.  Its like make up your mind NFL!! 

[GoBills808]

On 2/4/2019 at 2:15 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Any team that's interested is going to have to do their due diligence.

 

The thing is, either you believe people can change and deserve the chance to change

Or what do you suggest?  One mistake, ruin your life for good?

I believe in redemption and second chances, but not getting your dream job is hardly ruining your life for good. 

[C.Biscuit97]

Wow, the nfl is pretending to care about women beaters as much as marijuana smokers.  So progressive.

 

he wasn’t a little kid when he did this.  He was one if the best high school recruits in the country and started pounding a helpless women.  I’d rather have the Bills lose than have a scumbag like that in our team.  Some things are more important than winning.  But don’t worry.  Some trash bag franchise like the Cowboys or Bengals will draft him in the first round. Plastic faced Jerry Jones has surgery to remove his soul.

On 2/4/2019 at 7:15 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Any team that's interested is going to have to do their due diligence.

 

The thing is, either you believe people can change and deserve the chance to change

Or what do you suggest?  One mistake, ruin your life for good?

I would bet that guys who hit women once have a very high rate of repeating the actions.  I’m very good with second chances for certain crimes but guys who beat women or touch kids (see that Orrin state player) don’t deserve second chances to make millions of dollars.  Plenty of other careers for them.

[LSHMEAB]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wow, the nfl is pretending to care about women beaters as much as marijuana smokers.  So progressive.

 

he wasn’t a little kid when he did this.  He was one if the best high school recruits in the country and started pounding a helpless women.  I’d rather have the Bills lose than have a scumbag like that in our team.  Some things are more important than winning.  But don’t worry.  Some trash bag franchise like the Cowboys or Bengals will draft him in the first round. Plastic faced Jerry Jones has surgery to remove his soul.

What about a year long suspension for something that happened 6 years ago? 5 years? We agree on damn near everything, but I just can't get down with the whole banished for life thing. Not in this particular case anyways.

[CommonCents]

4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Wow, the nfl is pretending to care about women beaters as much as marijuana smokers.  So progressive.

 

he wasn’t a little kid when he did this.  He was one if the best high school recruits in the country and started pounding a helpless women.  I’d rather have the Bills lose than have a scumbag like that in our team.  Some things are more important than winning.  But don’t worry.  Some trash bag franchise like the Cowboys or Bengals will draft him in the first round. Plastic faced Jerry Jones has surgery to remove his soul.

I would bet that guys who hit women once have a very high rate of repeating the actions.  I’m very good with second chances for certain crimes but guys who beat women or touch kids (see that Orrin state player) don’t deserve second chances to make millions of dollars.  Plenty of other careers for them.

We agree on this one. Well said. 

 

I wonder if any players every take extra shots on guys like AP, Mixon etc. 

[C.Biscuit97]

14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

What about a year long suspension for something that happened 6 years ago? 5 years? We agree on damn near everything, but I just can't get down with the whole banished for life thing. Not in this particular case anyways.

I know man.  It’s tough.  But the nfl has a real problem with this and it looks super hypocritical when you consider some of the other stuff they are tough on.  I don’t think drunk driving, drugs, or other stuff like that good but it’s a completely different animal.

 

personally, I don’t think women beaters or child touchers really change.  I would disgust me to cheer for someone like that.  I couldn’t separate it.

[ndirish1978]

I don't want woman beaters on our team

[C.Biscuit97]

16 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

We agree on this one. Well said. 

 

I wonder if any players every take extra shots on guys like AP, Mixon etc. 

No because most players are cowards and don’t care about stuff like that.  Other players love AP.  But if it was me, I’d go headshot on Joe Mixon.  It’s embarrassing that there were no protests for that guy going in the second round.  It’s amazing what fans condone so their team can win.

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I know man.  It’s tough.  But the nfl has a real problem with this and it looks super hypocritical when you consider some of the other stuff they are tough on.  I don’t think drunk driving, drugs, or other stuff like that good but it’s a completely different animal.

 

personally, I don’t think women beaters or child touchers really change.  I would disgust me to cheer for someone like that.  I couldn’t separate it.

I think it's asinine that the NFL concerns itself with marijuana or even a one time DUI. I mean, a DUI should be punished, but maybe taken in context.

 

As far as the woman beaters, I just think this case may be different. Men who abuse their S/O are likely not going to have some grand awakening. This case has some extenuating circumstances. None of this stuff is easy to navigate, but I'm of the opinion that he should be given a shot to play(which he will.) I think it would be fair to consider his past transgression as it pertains to any future transgression. Just feel like he deserves a chance.

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I believe in redemption and second chances, but not getting your dream job is hardly ruining your life for good. 

The word "but" is sometimes used in a sentence where someone knows what they are saying contradicts what claim to believe.  Generally in the first part of the statement.

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

The word "but" is sometimes used in a sentence where someone knows what they are saying contradicts what claim to believe.  Generally in the first part of the statement.

In this case it's being used as a coordinating conjunction between two noncontradictory independent clauses. 

[CoudyBills]

On 2/1/2019 at 11:47 PM, KD in CA said:

 

Let's hope.  My first instinct was this was probably an overreaction to something when he was 15, but seeing the video and learning it was just 3 years ago confirms this is a sub-human who deserves nothing.

 

 

 

.....and of course those who make their living sniffing jock's asses come up with some 'story of redemption' bullsh--.   

 

WTF? Hitler...Mein Kampf, Am I right?

Edited February 8, 2019 by CoudyBills

[White Linen]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

I think it's asinine that the NFL concerns itself with marijuana or even a one time DUI. I mean, a DUI should be punished, but maybe taken in context.

 

As far as the woman beaters, I just think this case may be different. Men who abuse their S/O are likely not going to have some grand awakening. This case has some extenuating circumstances. None of this stuff is easy to navigate, but I'm of the opinion that he should be given a shot to play(which he will.) I think it would be fair to consider his past transgression as it pertains to any future transgression. Just feel like he deserves a chance.

 

I can't agree with you on the DUI part.  I find it among the most egregious offenses.  

 

You literally risk killing people when you so selfishly get behind that wheel.  It's not punished harshly enough.  

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, White Linen said:

 

I can't agree with you on the DUI part.  I find it among the most egregious offenses.  

 

You literally risk killing people when you so selfishly get behind that wheel.  It's not punished harshly enough.  

What about speeding? You literally risk killing people driving at high rates of speed. This isn't the Autobahn where folks are prepared for 100 or whatever the K/HR equivalent would be. Is speeding an egregious offense? 

 

DUI's are serious. First time offense? Nobody hurt? You got lucky, you'll get punished, you'll deal with the consequences and hopefully learn from your mistake.

[White Linen]

26 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

What about speeding? You literally risk killing people driving at high rates of speed. This isn't the Autobahn where folks are prepared for 100 or whatever the K/HR equivalent would be. Is speeding an egregious offense? 

 

DUI's are serious. First time offense? Nobody hurt? You got lucky, you'll get punished, you'll deal with the consequences and hopefully learn from your mistake.

 

Then add speeding to the list that needs more serious punishment.  That doesn't make smoking dope and a DUI an equivalent in terms of seriousness.  IMO, they are on opposite sides of the spectrum.  Using your logic, beating a woman doesn't necessarily mean she'll die - so speeding is an equivalent. 

 

A DUI is a disgusting act.  Getting lucky you didn't kill anyone shouldn't be something taken so flippant, IMO.  

[LSHMEAB]

10 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

Then add speeding to the list that needs more serious punishment.  That doesn't make smoking dope and a DUI an equivalent in terms of seriousness.  IMO, they are on opposite sides of the spectrum.  Using your logic, beating a woman doesn't necessarily mean she'll die - so speeding is an equivalent. 

 

A DUI is a disgusting act.  Getting lucky you didn't kill anyone shouldn't be something taken so flippant, IMO.  

I never said smoking weed and a DUI were equivalent. I used them in the same sentence, but never claimed them to be on the same scale of malfeasance. 

[White Linen]

7 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I never said smoking weed and a DUI were equivalent. I used them in the same sentence, but never claimed them to be on the same scale of malfeasance. 

 

I accept your admittance you were wrong.  It's hard for you, I know. 

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I accept your admittance you were wrong.  It's hard for you, I know. 

"I think it's asinine that the NFL concerns itself with marijuana or even a one time DUI."

 

You do understand that the way that statement is structured makes it clear the DUI is the more serious offense, correct?

 

Have a great Friday bro.

 

 

[formerlyofCtown]

7 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

In this case it's being used as a coordinating conjunction between two noncontradictory independent clauses. 

This is phycology not English.

6 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

Then add speeding to the list that needs more serious punishment.  That doesn't make smoking dope and a DUI an equivalent in terms of seriousness.  IMO, they are on opposite sides of the spectrum.  Using your logic, beating a woman doesn't necessarily mean she'll die - so speeding is an equivalent. 

 

A DUI is a disgusting act.  Getting lucky you didn't kill anyone shouldn't be something taken so flippant, IMO.  

Its all thought and subsiquent action without thought of consequence to self or others.  Most people dont want to hurt others but have never learned to be in control of their emotions rather than their emotions controling them.  A lot of harm is legal though so society feels its ok.

Edited February 9, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[White Linen]

47 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

"I think it's asinine that the NFL concerns itself with marijuana or even a one time DUI."

 

You do understand that the way that statement is structured makes it clear the DUI is the more serious offense, correct?

 

Have a great Friday bro.

 

 

 

I get that you're trying to back away from having an incorrect thought and I appreciate it. 

 

Awareness is a good start to stopping the horrific epidemic of driving under the influence.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

This is phycology not English.

It all thought and subsiquent action without thought of consequence to self or others.  Most people dont want to hurt others but have never learned to be in control of their emotions rather than their emotions controling them.  A lot of harm is legal though so society feels its ok.

 

Then phycologize how the claim that 'I believe in second chances and redemption' contradicts the idea that 'not getting your dream job is hardly ruining your life for good'.

[LSHMEAB]

Just now, White Linen said:

 

I get that you're trying to back away from having an incorrect thought and I appreciate it. 

 

Awareness is a good start to stopping the horrific epidemic of driving under the influence.

Which thought was incorrect? Which am I backing away from? God I must be bored to entertain this.

[White Linen]

11 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Which thought was incorrect? Which am I backing away from? God I must be bored to entertain this.

 

I said something negative towards you, so I edited.  

 

I'm glad I caused you to mention God.  

Edited February 8, 2019 by White Linen

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

 

You're not bored, you're just not overly bright. 

Unless you can answer a simple question, we're done here. I gave you ample opportunity to do so.

 

Hope your day gets better.

[White Linen]

3 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Unless you can answer a simple question, we're done here. I gave you ample opportunity to do so.

 

Hope your day gets better.

 

You're playing dumb and I've said multiple times I'll accept that as an admittance you're wrong.  You're pride won't let you go through with it totally.   You incorrectly put marijuana use and one time DUI's in the same sentence - feeling the NFL is asinine for concerning themselves with it.

 

It's not debatable that smoking dope anywhere outside of a car and driving while impaired shouldn't be thought of as about the same offenses.  They aren't linked in any way.

 

You agree, so I safely assume you incorrectly typed that sentence. 

[formerlyofCtown]

3 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

Then phycologize how the claim that 'I believe in second chances and redemption' contradicts the idea that 'not getting your dream job is hardly ruining your life for good'.

Simple because your minimizing the outcome and not recognizing that an individual has worked to acheive that goal.  Its actually a lack of empithy because you are assuming it would affect others how you feel it would effect you.

He lacked empithy when he commited his actions but you lack empithy in what you may like to see happen to him.

Now this is the point when you either try to minimize or project concerning his actions and yours

Edited February 9, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[GoBills808]

48 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Simple because your minimizing the outcome and not recognizing that an individual has worked to acheive that goal.  Its actually a lack of empithy because you are assuming it would affect others how you feel it would effect you.

He lacked empithy when he commited his actions but you lack empithy in what you may like to see happen to him.

Now this is the point when you either try to minimize or project concerning his actions and yours

Laughable. I'm not 'minimizing the outcome' at all. The outcome may be that he doesn't play in the NFL. If anything I have too much empathy being that I also do not play in the NFL.

 

The major difference in our respective career paths with respect to professional football player is that my lack of employment with the NFL is due to genetics, whereas his will potentially be due to being videotaped repeatedly punching a woman lying on the ground. 

[formerlyofCtown]

12 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Laughable. I'm not 'minimizing the outcome' at all. The outcome may be that he doesn't play in the NFL. If anything I have too much empathy being that I also do not play in the NFL.

 

The major difference in our respective career paths with respect to professional football player is that my lack of employment with the NFL is due to genetics, whereas his will potentially be due to being videotaped repeatedly punching a woman lying on the ground. 

Lol, that is exactly what youre doing and youre doing exactly what I said would.  Your behavior is predictable only because what Im saying is true.  You so caught up trying to defend your behavior that youre argue on a subject youre not qualified to argue, against a person who is qualified.  You have no idea how funny this is to people who are knowledgable on the subject.

[Augie]

 

 

Is anybody having happy weekend thoughts?       ?

[GoBills808]

14 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Lol, that is exactly what youre doing and youre doing exactly what I said would.  Your behavior is predictable only because what Im saying is true.  You so caught up trying to defend your behavior that youre argue on a subject youre not qualified to argue, against a person who is qualified.  You have no idea how funny this is to people who are knowledgable on the subject.

I'm almost afraid to ask...exactly which people are you talking about?

[noacls]

Sad that some on this board will defend woman beaters

[billsfanmiami(oh)]

5 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

 

Is anybody having happy weekend thoughts?       ?

 

 

Long week at work and I’m now drinking woodford, so yes ?

 

oh and one week from now I’ll be in Colorado with my wife for a ski trip and might be well into the edibles so double yes!

Edited February 9, 2019 by billsfanmiami(oh)

[Mat68]

I think Mixon and Hill have shown that if it happwns early in College or before it largely falls onto deaf ears on the national stage.   Sure it will make a local headline the day of the draft but after will be forgotten.  Not condoning the behavior but also wont hold anything against man for what he did as a teenager.

[formerlyofCtown]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm almost afraid to ask...exactly which people are you talking about?

People who have an education on the subject and help people overcome there bad choices in life.  

Do you realise that rather than admit that maybe there could be a better way of dealing with these types of situations.  Youve argued on a subject you have no knowledge of and tried to judge the intentions and character of people you dont even know.

Just to let you know.  Sometimes I catch myself doing the same things you are doing.  85% of society does it.  If we arnt trying to help a person better themselves we probably shouldnt judge em. Just thought Id point a few things out to ya.